I generally disagree with the 2035 mandate myself. EVs are definitely not ready to replace ICEs for most people.
I'm only disagreeing with some of the comments here that claim EVs are "never" going to work or that they have "failed".
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I'm only disagreeing with some of the comments here that claim EVs are "never" going to work or that they have "failed".
This is a very short sighted take. That just assumes there will be no improvement in battery costs, battery recycling, manufacturing process etc. ICEs were also only affordable to the affluent when they were first released. Smart phones were the same way. Air travel was the same way.
What do you think the weight of copper, nickel, aluminum, iron, cobalt and lithium
required to manufacture one EV in comparison with what is needed for a smart
phone is like? A typical EV battery comprises of 20 kg of manganese and about
10 kg of lithium. Minearls needed for replacement of world's fleet of ICE
cars by electric cars would easily require several hundred new mines globally.
I don't know much about the history of ICE cars marketing. To the best of
my knowledge Ford and General Motors were already making handsome
profits in their early years from selling cars to the general population. And
I doubt Henry Ford had to rely on government subsidies the way Elon Musk
did to make his cars affordable.
Why would you assume batteries continue to use heavy metals? It's not like the ICE in 1908 is the same as the ICE in 2024. They use completely different materials and components. Advancements that were made over decades.
Tesla isn't the only company making EVs. Literally every car manufacturer is making EVs as well as investing in R&D. I just looked up Ford. They've received nearly 33 Billion in subsidies just since 1967.
By the time the affordable model T was introduced, cars had been manufactured for nearly 30 years. So yes even gasoline cars were for the affluent only. It wasn't until the 1910s or 1920s that the middle class could afford a car.
Like I said. Your assuming current conditions would last forever when that is never the case.
No, I don't believe they will that is why I said they should as it would incentivize folks to buy the EVS. I believe when Ford got in he removed all the incentives offered by Ontario. A reason many folks are resisting besides range fear is also they are very expensive to buy which offsets the savings on gas.
I know two that do and one is having buyer's remorse for sure, the other is still on the fence about it. I'm no expert, but reading the comments, seeing the videos and that woman who owns the car dealership seems to be speaking from experience.
Nobody forced you to buy an EV. lol
If EV manufactured no later than 2030 will use low cost and abundant
materials in place of copper, nickel, cobalt, lithium and other minerals that
would be fine. Sales of new ICE cars are to be banned by 2035. At this time
even people on a decent salary can barely afford to rent a decent condo let
alone buying a house that allows them to charge a EV overnight. I guess
people have to await EV price coming down by half before we begin to
see meaningful migration away from ICE car ownership.
materials in place of copper, nickel, cobalt, lithium and other minerals that
would be fine. Sales of new ICE cars are to be banned by 2035. At this time
even people on a decent salary can barely afford to rent a decent condo let
alone buying a house that allows them to charge a EV overnight. I guess
people have to await EV price coming down by half before we begin to
see meaningful migration away from ICE car ownership.
Yeah. The 2035 regulation does not have anything to do with the improvements EVs will make. I would have liked to see some other form of targets instead of this blanket pie in the sky target that is quite impossible to achieve. It'll probably make the resale values of ICE cars better as 2035 gets closer.
IN Norway , Resale price of ICE vehicles prove otherwise . Norway has the highest EV ownership rate in the world . And a cold winter climate too.
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It's one of the wealthiest countries in the world and is sitting on a $1.3 trillion wealth fund, the biggest in the world.
They have a solid working government that actually helps its citizens. They export ALL their oil $$$$$, we export our money to foreign wars. lol
Economy of Norway - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
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Comparing Canada to Norway is, well, like comparing apples and oranges.
No,they didn't, I bought it willingly and glad I did. I find your stories hard to believe going by my personal experience and the many people I talk to that own EV's. I'm in the automotive industry and have first hand knowledge and experience with EV's and haven't met one person yet who has regretted buying one. There has been some problems but you get as many or more problems with an ICE vehicle.
Can someone explain why Ontario taxpayers should subsidize luxury cars for the wealthy? If EVs are so great, taxpayers shouldn't have contribute. If people aren't buying them without a government handout, there's something wrong with the business model.
"After a barrage of bad news and a sharp drop in profits at Tesla, CEO Elon Musk sought to reassure investors on Tuesday that the revolutionary electric vehicle company is still on a long-term path to growth — thanks to AI and autonomous vehicles.
"We're putting the actual 'auto' in 'automobile,' " Musk said, to chuckles from his executive team.
"The future is really bright," Tesla CFO Vaibhav Taneja added later. "We just have to get through this period and get there."
"This period," though, is rough. Profits were down 55% for the quarter compared to a year ago, after sales decreased and Tesla repeatedly cut prices. A number of top executives are leaving, including the head of investor relations, who dropped that news on the Tuesday earnings call. Tesla is laying off more than 10% of its global staff, and executives are clamming up when investors ask for more details about a long-promised $25,000 vehicle."
Then there's the fact that Tesla screwed its customers by slashing prices last year. "One tweet posted on Friday reads: “Tesla screws with people so much when they drop price by $20k+. I just picked up my Model S Plaid one day ago, drove less than 100 miles on it and I'm shafted by over $20k. TESLA NEVER AGAIN.”
Imagine buying your Tesla then finding out you could've saved almost $20K if you waited a week? Doesn't help the resale value either.
"We're putting the actual 'auto' in 'automobile,' " Musk said, to chuckles from his executive team.
"The future is really bright," Tesla CFO Vaibhav Taneja added later. "We just have to get through this period and get there."
"This period," though, is rough. Profits were down 55% for the quarter compared to a year ago, after sales decreased and Tesla repeatedly cut prices. A number of top executives are leaving, including the head of investor relations, who dropped that news on the Tuesday earnings call. Tesla is laying off more than 10% of its global staff, and executives are clamming up when investors ask for more details about a long-promised $25,000 vehicle."
Then there's the fact that Tesla screwed its customers by slashing prices last year. "One tweet posted on Friday reads: “Tesla screws with people so much when they drop price by $20k+. I just picked up my Model S Plaid one day ago, drove less than 100 miles on it and I'm shafted by over $20k. TESLA NEVER AGAIN.”
Imagine buying your Tesla then finding out you could've saved almost $20K if you waited a week? Doesn't help the resale value either.
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Ya,just like buying from any manufacturer and finding out a day later that a sale is on. It happens. Anyone remember the big incentives that the OEMs used to put on regularly? How about above MSRP during Covid? Do you think those people are happy?
Really? Other than Tesla, name one manufacturer that's slashed prices globally like Tesla did.
They may reduce prices on selected vehicles if they have a large inventory, or when they're about to launch a new model. But no manufacturer has done what Tesla did, globally. They're hurting and it'll get worse when BMW, Mercedes, Porsche etc. start introducing more EVs.
