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Jubee

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Wow! I can't believe how many "friends " you have that own EV's and have had so many problems. You're practically an expert.
I know two that do and one is having buyer's remorse for sure, the other is still on the fence about it. I'm no expert, but reading the comments, seeing the videos and that woman who owns the car dealership seems to be speaking from experience.
Nobody forced you to buy an EV. lol
 

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If EV manufactured no later than 2030 will use low cost and abundant
materials in place of copper, nickel, cobalt, lithium and other minerals that
would be fine. Sales of new ICE cars are to be banned by 2035. At this time
even people on a decent salary can barely afford to rent a decent condo let
alone buying a house that allows them to charge a EV overnight. I guess
people have to await EV price coming down by half before we begin to
see meaningful migration away from ICE car ownership.

Why would you assume batteries continue to use heavy metals? It's not like the ICE in 1908 is the same as the ICE in 2024. They use completely different materials and components. Advancements that were made over decades.
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Like I said. Your assuming current conditions would last forever when that is never the case.
 

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If EV manufactured no later than 2030 will use low cost and abundant
materials in place of copper, nickel, cobalt, lithium and other minerals that
would be fine. Sales of new ICE cars are to be banned by 2035. At this time
even people on a decent salary can barely afford to rent a decent condo let
alone buying a house that allows them to charge a EV overnight. I guess
people have to await EV price coming down by half before we begin to
see meaningful migration away from ICE car ownership.
Yeah. The 2035 regulation does not have anything to do with the improvements EVs will make. I would have liked to see some other form of targets instead of this blanket pie in the sky target that is quite impossible to achieve. It'll probably make the resale values of ICE cars better as 2035 gets closer.
 
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Yeah. The 2035 regulation does not have anything to do with the improvements EVs will make. I would have liked to see some other form of targets instead of this blanket pie in the sky target that is quite impossible to achieve. It'll probably make the resale values of ICE cars better as 2035 gets closer.
IN Norway , Resale price of ICE vehicles prove otherwise . Norway has the highest EV ownership rate in the world . And a cold winter climate too.
 
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Jubee

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IN Norway , Resale price of ICE vehicles prove otherwise . Norway has the highest EV ownership rate in the world . And a cold winter climate too.
It's one of the wealthiest countries in the world and is sitting on a $1.3 trillion wealth fund, the biggest in the world.
They have a solid working government that actually helps its citizens. They export ALL their oil $$$$$, we export our money to foreign wars. lol
 
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I know two that do and one is having buyer's remorse for sure, the other is still on the fence about it. I'm no expert, but reading the comments, seeing the videos and that woman who owns the car dealership seems to be speaking from experience.
Nobody forced you to buy an EV. lol
No,they didn't, I bought it willingly and glad I did. I find your stories hard to believe going by my personal experience and the many people I talk to that own EV's. I'm in the automotive industry and have first hand knowledge and experience with EV's and haven't met one person yet who has regretted buying one. There has been some problems but you get as many or more problems with an ICE vehicle.
 
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GameBoy27

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No, I don't believe they will that is why I said they should as it would incentivize folks to buy the EVS. I believe when Ford got in he removed all the incentives offered by Ontario. A reason many folks are resisting besides range fear is also they are very expensive to buy which offsets the savings on gas.
Can someone explain why Ontario taxpayers should subsidize luxury cars for the wealthy? If EVs are so great, taxpayers shouldn't have contribute. If people aren't buying them without a government handout, there's something wrong with the business model.
 
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"After a barrage of bad news and a sharp drop in profits at Tesla, CEO Elon Musk sought to reassure investors on Tuesday that the revolutionary electric vehicle company is still on a long-term path to growth — thanks to AI and autonomous vehicles.

"We're putting the actual 'auto' in 'automobile,' " Musk said, to chuckles from his executive team.

"The future is really bright," Tesla CFO Vaibhav Taneja added later. "We just have to get through this period and get there."

"This period," though, is rough. Profits were down 55% for the quarter compared to a year ago, after sales decreased and Tesla repeatedly cut prices. A number of top executives are leaving, including the head of investor relations, who dropped that news on the Tuesday earnings call. Tesla is laying off more than 10% of its global staff, and executives are clamming up when investors ask for more details about a long-promised $25,000 vehicle."


Then there's the fact that Tesla screwed its customers by slashing prices last year. "One tweet posted on Friday reads: “Tesla screws with people so much when they drop price by $20k+. I just picked up my Model S Plaid one day ago, drove less than 100 miles on it and I'm shafted by over $20k. TESLA NEVER AGAIN.”

Imagine buying your Tesla then finding out you could've saved almost $20K if you waited a week? Doesn't help the resale value either.
 
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"After a barrage of bad news and a sharp drop in profits at Tesla, CEO Elon Musk sought to reassure investors on Tuesday that the revolutionary electric vehicle company is still on a long-term path to growth — thanks to AI and autonomous vehicles.

"We're putting the actual 'auto' in 'automobile,' " Musk said, to chuckles from his executive team.

"The future is really bright," Tesla CFO Vaibhav Taneja added later. "We just have to get through this period and get there."

"This period," though, is rough. Profits were down 55% for the quarter compared to a year ago, after sales decreased and Tesla repeatedly cut prices. A number of top executives are leaving, including the head of investor relations, who dropped that news on the Tuesday earnings call. Tesla is laying off more than 10% of its global staff, and executives are clamming up when investors ask for more details about a long-promised $25,000 vehicle."


Then there's the fact that Tesla screwed its customers by slashing prices last year. "One tweet posted on Friday reads: “Tesla screws with people so much when they drop price by $20k+. I just picked up my Model S Plaid one day ago, drove less than 100 miles on it and I'm shafted by over $20k. TESLA NEVER AGAIN.”

Imagine buying your Tesla then finding out you could've saved almost $20K if you waited a week? Doesn't help the resale value either.
Ya,just like buying from any manufacturer and finding out a day later that a sale is on. It happens. Anyone remember the big incentives that the OEMs used to put on regularly? How about above MSRP during Covid? Do you think those people are happy?
 

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Ya,just like buying from any manufacturer and finding out a day later that a sale is on. It happens. Anyone remember the big incentives that the OEMs used to put on regularly? How about above MSRP during Covid? Do you think those people are happy?
Really? Other than Tesla, name one manufacturer that's slashed prices globally like Tesla did.
 

GameBoy27

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Any of the big three when they offer incentives.
They may reduce prices on selected vehicles if they have a large inventory, or when they're about to launch a new model. But no manufacturer has done what Tesla did, globally. They're hurting and it'll get worse when BMW, Mercedes, Porsche etc. start introducing more EVs.
 

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IN Norway , Resale price of ICE vehicles prove otherwise . Norway has the highest EV ownership rate in the world . And a cold winter climate too.
I meant in the scenario where EVs still do not have the infrastructure but the regulation to only sell zero emission cars from 2035 still happens. Then there might be a spike in demand for used ICE cars. Again, I was just making a guess.
 

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Can someone explain why Ontario taxpayers should subsidize luxury cars for the wealthy? If EVs are so great, taxpayers shouldn't have contribute. If people aren't buying them without a government handout, there's something wrong with the business model.
It is a logical way to incentivize people to purchase a ZEV. Don't the rebates extend to some hybrids too? Considering the value of the rebates and how long they are eligible. It doesn't seem that bad.
 

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They may reduce prices on selected vehicles if they have a large inventory, or when they're about to launch a new model. But no manufacturer has done what Tesla did, globally. They're hurting and it'll get worse when BMW, Mercedes, Porsche etc. start introducing more EVs.
I think you're arguing semantics but I would bet that they're not going to get worse. They're going to do better.
 

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People will adopt EVs when price and convenience is on par with ICE vehicles. Until then, people will stick to ICE and hybrids. Only a moronic government would require all new car and light-truck sales to be zero emission by 2035. EVs simply aren't practical for everyone.
Once Trudummy is gone that requirement will be gone.
 
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IN Norway , Resale price of ICE vehicles prove otherwise . Norway has the highest EV ownership rate in the world . And a cold winter climate too.
Interesting that Norway wealth is significantly tied to the sale of North Sea oil. Perhaps the reason the population has gone ”green “ has more to do with guilt or virtue signalling.
Alfred Nobel made a fortune selling arms and bequeathed a portion of his fortune to “Nobel peace prize”
 
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