Electric Vehicle repair costs, insurance and rising costs.

[GameBoy27]

I admit the luxury tax for a new vehicle really burns my ass!

It would be smart to remove the luxury tax from EVs to encourage more folks to buy more EVs.

Government isn't about to remove any taxes.

Considering...

The Government of Canada collects about $5 billion per year in excise taxes on gasoline, diesel, and aviation fuel as well as approximately $1.6 billion per year from GST revenues on gasoline and diesel (net of input tax credits). The Canada Revenue Agency, a part of the government, collects these taxes.

Collectively, the provincial governments collect approximately $8 billion per year from excise taxes on gasoline and diesel.

The federal taxes go into general coffers and help to fund a range of programs: $2 billion of the approximately $5 billion collected from federal excise taxes goes into the now permanent annual Gas Tax Fund for municipal infrastructure. Provincial tax revenues usually go to fund road repair and construction, and additionally in some provinces a portion of revenues (for example, 2 cents/litre in Ontario) is also distributed directly to municipalities.

It won't be long before governments start taxing EV owners to make up for lost revenue.

 

[niks9009]

One thing the owners of electric vehicles don't tell ya is all the issues they're having because they're simply embarrassed. You find out once you join the club.

A friend owns a Tesla Model Y. Once his lease is up, he's done with electrics. Range of electric vehicles during a winter is a joke. It seems that nearly every day owners are gambling whether or not they'll get stranded somewhere. A few times my buddy was stranded and had to Uber home. Add that to the expense list of owning an electric vehicle. Glorified golf carts.

I've had my electric vehicle for two winters now. I drive mostly in the city anyways and it's been perfectly fine. Yes the overall range suffers but mine still gets me 350kms on like 80% charge in the winter. Now that it's warmer my range is back up to normal.

If I had a home charger it'll basically be no problems. EVs make sense for some people right now not yet ready to replace all gas vehicles.

 

[niks9009]

EVs are a failure.

Because murica doesn't like EVs they are a failure? There is an entire world out there where more and more people are buying EVs. Infrastructure is to blame and also there is a massive lobby behind cars and petroleum in North America. First they destroyed public transportation now they want to destroy EVs.

 

[countrylover]

Not a good look when a dealerships aren't interested in them. Here's an owner of a dealership explaining why.
Some of the comments are good as well.

What ever the government tells you to do ignore them and do the opposite and you won't go far wrong.

It's like buying a car with a shrinking fuel tank.

A friend of mine bought an EV. After five years the battery went kaput. The company quoted him €20k to replace his battery. Also prior to breaking down totally, the range was down to 100 kilometres per charge.

Wow! I can't believe how many "friends " you have that own EV's and have had so many problems. You're practically an expert.

 

[GameBoy27]

Because murica doesn't like EVs they are a failure? There is an entire world out there where more and more people are buying EVs. Infrastructure is to blame and also there is a massive lobby behind cars and petroleum in North America. First they destroyed public transportation now they want to destroy EVs.

People will adopt EVs when price and convenience is on par with ICE vehicles. Until then, people will stick to ICE and hybrids. Only a moronic government would require all new car and light-truck sales to be zero emission by 2035. EVs simply aren't practical for everyone.

 

[niks9009]

People will adopt EVs when price and convenience is on par with ICE vehicles. Until then, people will stick to ICE and hybrids. Only a moronic government would require all new car and light-truck sales to be zero emission by 2035. EVs simply aren't practical for everyone.

I generally disagree with the 2035 mandate myself. EVs are definitely not ready to replace ICEs for most people.

I'm only disagreeing with some of the comments here that claim EVs are "never" going to work or that they have "failed".

 

[oil&gas]

EV is the future for the affluent. The peasants will have to
settle for public transportation.

 

[niks9009]

EV is the future for the affluent. The peasants will have to
settle for public transportation.

This is a very short sighted take. That just assumes there will be no improvement in battery costs, battery recycling, manufacturing process etc. ICEs were also only affordable to the affluent when they were first released. Smart phones were the same way. Air travel was the same way.

 

[oil&gas]

This is a very short sighted take. That just assumes there will be no improvement in battery costs, battery recycling, manufacturing process etc. ICEs were also only affordable to the affluent when they were first released. Smart phones were the same way. Air travel was the same way.

What do you think the weight of copper, nickel, aluminum, iron, cobalt and lithium
required to manufacture one EV in comparison with what is needed for a smart
phone is like? A typical EV battery comprises of 20 kg of manganese and about
10 kg of lithium. Minearls needed for replacement of world's fleet of ICE
cars by electric cars would easily require several hundred new mines globally.

I don't know much about the history of ICE cars marketing. To the best of
my knowledge Ford and General Motors were already making handsome
profits in their early years from selling cars to the general population. And
I doubt Henry Ford had to rely on government subsidies the way Elon Musk
did to make his cars affordable.

 

[niks9009]

What do you think the weight of copper, nickel, aluminum, iron, cobalt and lithium
required to manufacture one EV in comparison with what is needed for a smart
phone is like? A typical EV battery comprises of 20 kg of manganese and about
10 kg of lithium. Minearls needed for replacement of world's fleet of ICE
cars by electric cars would easily require several hundred new mines globally.

I don't know much about the history of ICE cars marketing. To the best of
my knowledge Ford and General Motors were already making handsome
profits in their early years from selling cars to the general population. And
I doubt Henry Ford had to rely on government subsidies the way Elon Musk
did to make his cars affordable.

Why would you assume batteries continue to use heavy metals? It's not like the ICE in 1908 is the same as the ICE in 2024. They use completely different materials and components. Advancements that were made over decades.

Tesla isn't the only company making EVs. Literally every car manufacturer is making EVs as well as investing in R&D. I just looked up Ford. They've received nearly 33 Billion in subsidies just since 1967.

By the time the affordable model T was introduced, cars had been manufactured for nearly 30 years. So yes even gasoline cars were for the affluent only. It wasn't until the 1910s or 1920s that the middle class could afford a car.

Like I said. Your assuming current conditions would last forever when that is never the case.

 

[squeezer]

Government isn't about to remove any taxes.

Considering...

The Government of Canada collects about $5 billion per year in excise taxes on gasoline, diesel, and aviation fuel as well as approximately $1.6 billion per year from GST revenues on gasoline and diesel (net of input tax credits). The Canada Revenue Agency, a part of the government, collects these taxes.

Collectively, the provincial governments collect approximately $8 billion per year from excise taxes on gasoline and diesel.

The federal taxes go into general coffers and help to fund a range of programs: $2 billion of the approximately $5 billion collected from federal excise taxes goes into the now permanent annual Gas Tax Fund for municipal infrastructure. Provincial tax revenues usually go to fund road repair and construction, and additionally in some provinces a portion of revenues (for example, 2 cents/litre in Ontario) is also distributed directly to municipalities.

It won't be long before governments start taxing EV owners to make up for lost revenue.

No, I don't believe they will that is why I said they should as it would incentivize folks to buy the EVS. I believe when Ford got in he removed all the incentives offered by Ontario. A reason many folks are resisting besides range fear is also they are very expensive to buy which offsets the savings on gas.

 

[Butchers Dog]

 

[Jubee]

Wow! I can't believe how many "friends " you have that own EV's and have had so many problems. You're practically an expert.

I know two that do and one is having buyer's remorse for sure, the other is still on the fence about it. I'm no expert, but reading the comments, seeing the videos and that woman who owns the car dealership seems to be speaking from experience.
Nobody forced you to buy an EV. lol

 

[oil&gas]

If EV manufactured no later than 2030 will use low cost and abundant
materials in place of copper, nickel, cobalt, lithium and other minerals that
would be fine. Sales of new ICE cars are to be banned by 2035. At this time
even people on a decent salary can barely afford to rent a decent condo let
alone buying a house that allows them to charge a EV overnight. I guess
people have to await EV price coming down by half before we begin to
see meaningful migration away from ICE car ownership.

Why would you assume batteries continue to use heavy metals? It's not like the ICE in 1908 is the same as the ICE in 2024. They use completely different materials and components. Advancements that were made over decades.
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Like I said. Your assuming current conditions would last forever when that is never the case.

 

[niks9009]

If EV manufactured no later than 2030 will use low cost and abundant
materials in place of copper, nickel, cobalt, lithium and other minerals that
would be fine. Sales of new ICE cars are to be banned by 2035. At this time
even people on a decent salary can barely afford to rent a decent condo let
alone buying a house that allows them to charge a EV overnight. I guess
people have to await EV price coming down by half before we begin to
see meaningful migration away from ICE car ownership.

Yeah. The 2035 regulation does not have anything to do with the improvements EVs will make. I would have liked to see some other form of targets instead of this blanket pie in the sky target that is quite impossible to achieve. It'll probably make the resale values of ICE cars better as 2035 gets closer.

 

[IMBob]

Yeah. The 2035 regulation does not have anything to do with the improvements EVs will make. I would have liked to see some other form of targets instead of this blanket pie in the sky target that is quite impossible to achieve. It'll probably make the resale values of ICE cars better as 2035 gets closer.

IN Norway , Resale price of ICE vehicles prove otherwise . Norway has the highest EV ownership rate in the world . And a cold winter climate too.

 

[Jubee]

IN Norway , Resale price of ICE vehicles prove otherwise . Norway has the highest EV ownership rate in the world . And a cold winter climate too.

It's one of the wealthiest countries in the world and is sitting on a $1.3 trillion wealth fund, the biggest in the world.
They have a solid working government that actually helps its citizens. They export ALL their oil $$$$$, we export our money to foreign wars. lol

Economy of Norway - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[GameBoy27]

IN Norway , Resale price of ICE vehicles prove otherwise . Norway has the highest EV ownership rate in the world . And a cold winter climate too.

Comparing Canada to Norway is, well, like comparing apples and oranges.

 

[countrylover]

I know two that do and one is having buyer's remorse for sure, the other is still on the fence about it. I'm no expert, but reading the comments, seeing the videos and that woman who owns the car dealership seems to be speaking from experience.
Nobody forced you to buy an EV. lol

No,they didn't, I bought it willingly and glad I did. I find your stories hard to believe going by my personal experience and the many people I talk to that own EV's. I'm in the automotive industry and have first hand knowledge and experience with EV's and haven't met one person yet who has regretted buying one. There has been some problems but you get as many or more problems with an ICE vehicle.

 

[GameBoy27]

No, I don't believe they will that is why I said they should as it would incentivize folks to buy the EVS. I believe when Ford got in he removed all the incentives offered by Ontario. A reason many folks are resisting besides range fear is also they are very expensive to buy which offsets the savings on gas.

Can someone explain why Ontario taxpayers should subsidize luxury cars for the wealthy? If EVs are so great, taxpayers shouldn't have contribute. If people aren't buying them without a government handout, there's something wrong with the business model.