Their intent was to kill Israeli civilians i.e. a specific group of people. GenocideThat is terrorism. Intent for genocide is to kill a specific group of people to destroy them in whole or in part.
Their intent was to kill Israeli civilians i.e. a specific group of people. GenocideThat is terrorism. Intent for genocide is to kill a specific group of people to destroy them in whole or in part.
Their intent was to attack the state of Israel, by attacking the army, not the civilians. Attacks on civilians were a spur of the moment thing. And the civilians are multicultural, multiracial, multi-religious and multi-ethnic. So neither was the attack intended against civilians, nor was it against a specific group of people. OTOH Israel's actions are deliberately directed towards a specific group of people and hence genocide.Their intent was to kill Israeli civilians i.e. a specific group of people. Genocide
By causing death. As such it is undeniable that they intended to cause death to aid in their intent to retaliate.Their intent was not to cause deaths. Their intent was to retaliate.
Intent to cause death of a specific group of people, with the intent to destroy said group in whole or in part is genocide. Retaliatory attacks against a state are not. October 7 was a retaliatory attack against the state of Israel.By causing death. As such it is undeniable that they intended to cause death to aid in their intent to retaliate.
Please show us the source where that is an accepted definition.Intent to cause death of a specific group of people, with the intent to destroy said group in whole or in part is genocide. Retaliatory attacks against a state are not. October 7 was a retaliatory attack against the state of Israel.
Their intent was to attack the state of Israel, by attacking the army, not the civilians. Attacks on civilians were a spur of the moment thing. And the civilians are multicultural, multiracial, multi-religious and multi-ethnic. So neither was the attack intended against civilians, nor was it against a specific group of people. OTOH Israel's actions are deliberately directed towards a specific group of people and hence genocide.
No I didn't. It is the official definition of genocide that I have posted here several times. And what Israel is doing is not retaliation, because of their stated intent to commit genocide. Let me refresh your memory with a little Yaov Gallant.Please show us the source where that is an accepted definition.
You just made that up. You have nothing to use as a citation.
And if you want to use that, it means that Israel is totally justified to their response because every single person agrees that the invasion of Gaza is nothing more than retaliation for Oct.7, but not genocide.
It sounds like you're ready to put those pretzels in the oven.
Pretzel master is you. I'll wait, it may take a couple of posts but you'll get there. I like how you pre-emptively threw the pretzel accusation on me.
Whose official definition? You don't have one.No I didn't. It is the official definition of genocide that I have posted here several times.
Right, that is the official definition of genocide. And note, the intent of the official definition of genocide, is to define genocide. Not to rule on whether or not retaliation is appropriate. So while showing whether or not actions amount to genocide is important, discussing whether retaliation is permissible is irrelevant and tangential.In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Please show us where it says that retaliation makes it permissable.
- Killing members of the group;
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Show me a single place that their 2017 document says they will accept peace with Israel? They don't.Bullshit.
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Back to you spamming us with death porn while refusing to consider Arabs worth criticizing for their actions?Back to your standard 'but Hamas' nonsense.
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That's why they raped teenaged girls and killed children and the aged. It was a "retaliatory attach against a state" - particularly killing the children.Intent to cause death of a specific group of people, with the intent to destroy said group in whole or in part is genocide. Retaliatory attacks against a state are not. October 7 was a retaliatory attack against the state of Israel.
Again, they recorded videos of their prep for the attack, having built an Israeli town and practicing going door to door killing.Their intent was to attack the state of Israel, by attacking the army, not the civilians. ...
I guess killing those kids is just fine then. "Just a spur of the moment thing". Your problem is that there's video of them raping those women and killing those kids and they were really enjoying what they were doing.Their intent was to attack the state of Israel, by attacking the army, not the civilians. Attacks on civilians were a spur of the moment thing.
Well it actually WAS intended to be against civilians because they headed straight to the music festival. And if they didn't intend to kill civilians, why didn't they drive past and attack IDF positions.And the civilians are multicultural, multiracial, multi-religious and multi-ethnic. So neither was the attack intended against civilians, nor was it against a specific group of people.
Israel's actions seem to be pretty much directed to killing Hamas. If their intention was to kill Palestinians generally, there'd be a lot more photo evidence of mass civilian deaths. Speaking of which....OTOH Israel's actions are deliberately directed towards a specific group of people and hence genocide.
I guess killing those kids is just fine then. "Just a spur of the moment thing". Your problem is that there's video of them raping those women and killing those kids and they were really enjoying what they were doing.
There is no video of Hamas raping anyone. The UN team specifically said there was no forensic evidence or survivor testimonies because they refused to come forward, despite being repeatedly urged to come forward.Well it actually WAS intended to be against civilians because they headed straight to the music festival. And if they didn't intend to kill civilians, why didn't they drive past and attack IDF positions.
Yup, 35000 dead Palestinians, 70% of them women and children, and only in your bizarro, world where racists rule, does that count as "Hamas". And photo evidence? Just do a casual google search and before you do that, make sure to set up an appointment with your optometrist.Israel's actions seem to be pretty much directed to killing Hamas. If their intention was to kill Palestinians generally, there'd be a lot more photo evidence of mass civilian deaths. Speaking of which....
It is already happening as we speak.When is that mass famine going to happen?????..... It was supposed to happen in February, then March, now it's supposed to be May or June. Can we get clarity on this?
Yes, Israel is made up of cities and towns guarded by troops.Again, they recorded videos of their prep for the attack, having built an Israeli town and practicing going door to door killing.
Hamas ended exercise in mock Israeli town: ‘We have killed everyone on the kibbutz’
Leaked emails show veteran intel soldier warned that terror groups were training for major assault to 'start a war,' but her cautions were dismissed by senior officers as 'fantasy'www.timesofisrael.comHamas practiced in plain sight, posting video of mock attack weeks before border breach
Less than a month before Hamas fighters blew through Israel’s “Iron Wall” and launched an attack, they practiced in a very public dress rehearsal.apnews.com
But you're so messed up that you still want to pretend that Hamas are the good guys.
There was no rape. Repeating BS over and over again, makes you look silly. It however, does not make it the truth.That's why they raped teenaged girls and killed children and the aged. It was a "retaliatory attach against a state" - particularly killing the children.
Though Israel's fringe right may think that, your claims are bullshit.You are confusing the Israeli Agenda of "destroy everything Palestinian" with Hamas.
I know you like to pretend Hamas are good people, they have repeatedly stated that by Zionist, they mean jews.Hamas has explicitly stated that their fight is with the Zionist entity.
Amazing that you ignore the UN report but are happy to selectively swallow whatever load Hamas spews on you.As has been reported already by the UN mission, there was no forensic or survivor testimony for any alleged rapes. As such, there were no rapes on October 7. However, interestingly the team found appalling evidence via survivor testimonies, that the Israelis had unlawfully detained aka kidnapped, and sexually assaulted, raped and diddled Palestinian kids in captivity, in a grotesque exhibition of racist hatred and violence, true to theirNaziZionist mentality.
The only reason October 7 happened was because of the Al Aqsa storming and the murders of Palestinian civilians, by the settlers in the west bank, protected by the IDF, in multiple acts of state sponsored terrorism. Oh and also because of the 75 year old occupation and violent dispossession of the Palestinians.
Yaov Gallant isn't the fringe right. So try again.Though Israel's fringe right may think that, your claims are bullshit.
I did not say Hamas were good people. But Hamas has objectively said certain things, and have not said certain things. I am keeping you honest that they have explicitly said that they are not in a fight with Judaism or Jews. They are fighting the Zionist entity.I know you like to pretend Hamas are good people, they have repeatedly stated that by Zionist, they mean jews.
1. It IS the UN report that I am quoting. You have not read the report, so you spout BS about things you know nothing about.Amazing that you ignore the UN report but are happy to selectively swallow whatever load Hamas spews on you.
Hamas has been clear what they want. Even you making this excuse is disgusting. You might think it okay to slaughter 1200 civilians and kidnap hundreds of others including old ladies and infants because some Jews peacefully walked around a holy site, approved by Jordan but all you do is show you are either a outright racist or clueless.
As I said, statements and interviews with Hamas leadership have made clear their goals.
Islamaphobic hate speech.Their intent was to kill Israeli civilians i.e. a specific group of people. Genocide
You just admitted there is no justification for the Israeli genocide of Palestinians as presented to the ICJ.Whose official definition? You don't have one.
United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect
Definition
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Please show us where it says that retaliation makes it permissable.
- Killing members of the group;
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Nothing Hamas has ever done is anywhere near as evil as the shit Israel is doing right now.Hamas is a terrorist entity who promote a theocratic rule and strict adherence to religion, subjugation of women, rejection of human rights, and their wasting their corrupt billions on pointless violence instead of helping the people of Gaza, striking Israel then using their own people as human shields simply to get media attention.
Hamas has once again rejected a mediated ceasefire deal, violating the UNSC on that and their refusal to "immediately and unconditionally" releasing their hostages.