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I don't think it's the ratings it's how much a city would put up with a losing last place team, I don't think the Las Vegas franchise would have had good support from the locals if they had 10-win last place non-playoff teams...shitty teams is what did the Kansas City Scouts/Colorado Rockies and Atlanta Thrashers in.
Good point. This is why I find the situation in Pittsburgh interesting. Before they drafted Mario in 1984 the Penguins were having attendance issues and there was talk of relocation. In the past 40 years they have had some great tems with 3 mega-superstars(Mario, Jaromir, and Sid) and 2 superstars(Malkin and Fleury). What happens when the team goes into rebuilding mode with no superstars, which appears to be starting? Will the fans still show up?
 

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Lou was brought in to mentor Dubas. He was a rookie remember with zippo experience. The plan was always to transition. Lou eluded to it when he was brought in. They probably did it the Leafs way and paid him a boatload of money he could not refuse and the position was the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs after all.

Dubas was considered the next young bright mind of hockey. Colorado wanted him if Lou stayed on. Hence probably why Shanny expedited the transition. Colorado was fortunate they never landed Dubas. Fleeced Dubas instead and acquired Kadri and won a cup with him.

2015 draft Arizona picked Strome 3rd overall. That's Arizona for you. That left Marner and Hanifan. Babcock wanted Hanifan. So Leafs were fortunate in a way to land Marner and fortunate to win the lottery to land Matthews. Also fortunate they didn't listen to Don Cherry and picked Nylander instead of Nick Ritchie. After all this fortune and good drafting mass complaints about the core 4 forwards. Players picked ahead of Nylander ... Bennett, Dal Colle, Virtanen, Haydn Fleury. Interestingly in Nylander's draft year picks 1, 2, and 4 are currently playing in Florida.
Pasternak was picked 25th overall the year Nylander was drafted. So glad Hunter got his pick instead of BabCrock. But Mikko Rantanen would've been a nice pick that year too. Dylan Strome was coming off a great season in Eerie and the centre position is usually a higher priority than winger.
 

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Pasternak was picked 25th overall the year Nylander was drafted. So glad Hunter got his pick instead of BabCrock. But Mikko Rantanen would've been a nice pick that year too. Dylan Strome was coming off a great season in Eerie and the centre position is usually a higher priority than winger.
Strome most likely would have been picked by the Leafs if Arizona picked Marner. Leafs were in need of a number 1 center. They never had one since Sundin left. They were using Bozak in that role for years. Matthews was still in the future.
 

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Strome most likely would have been picked by the Leafs if Arizona picked Marner. Leafs were in need of a number 1 center. They never had one since Sundin left. They were using Bozak in that role for years. Matthews was still in the future.
I was hoping Strome would fall to the Leafs at the time cause I never thought they would win the draft lottery and get Mathews.
 

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We need teams in Hamilton, Markham, Quebec City and Halifax.
And the the Toronto Maple Leafs would never allow two of them.

I know you are not personally doing it here, but its amazing how many people feel the lack of teams in those markets is a Bettman issue.
 

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Eichel was the 2nd pick overall in Marner's draft year. A comparison could be made with Marner as to who better. Prior to Eichel winning a cup one could say Marner is better. Perhaps even still so. Eichel signed for 10 million in 2018 for 8 years. Marner signed a year after for 903 thousand more for 6 years. So if you compare Eichel to Marner if it is an over-payment for Marner it's not drastic.
 
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32 teams in the NHL is too much. Time to cut back 28.
All the 4 major team sports leagues have 30 or more teams. I see no need to cut back to 28. But I sure as heck would move the Coyotes to a better locale.
 

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All the 4 major team sports leagues have 30 or more teams. I see no need to cut back to 28. But I sure as heck would move the Coyotes to a better locale.
What would be your first choice of city for relocation?
 

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Tavares throughout his career has been roughly a point a game player. Nothing more nothing less. He has been very consistent. Even last year he had 80 pts in 80 games. This season he has a slight dip but he hasn't fully fallen off the cliff. Analytics has him playing fine. Expected goals if you will. His shooting percentage is currently the lowest it has ever been in his whole career. Still a volume shooter though. 18th in the league. Considering it's the tail end of his contract this is I suppose expected. He still is the 4th best forward on the Leafs.

Speaking of volume shooters Matthews is 4th, Nylander is 6th. Hyman is 15th ahead of all Oilers including McC who is 25th
 

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And the the Toronto Maple Leafs would never allow two of them.

I know you are not personally doing it here, but its amazing how many people feel the lack of teams in those markets is a Bettman issue.
Exactly. People were lamenting that the odds are stacked against a Canadian team and how the new expansion teams have it so much easier than once upon a time.

So I figured getting in a whack of Canadian teams all at once would solve the problem. Whether they were viable options or not was immaterial.
 

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What would be your first choice of city for relocation?
Kansas City or Houston seem to be the big talk whenever expansion comes up But I'm still scratching my head wondering why neither put an offer in for the Atlanta Thrashers
 

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Tavares throughout his career has been roughly a point a game player. Nothing more nothing less. He has been very consistent. Even last year he had 80 pts in 80 games. This season he has a slight dip but he hasn't fully fallen off the cliff. Analytics has him playing fine. Expected goals if you will. His shooting percentage is currently the lowest it has ever been in his whole career. Still a volume shooter though. 18th in the league. Considering it's the tail end of his contract this is I suppose expected. He still is the 4th best forward on the Leafs.

Speaking of volume shooters Matthews is 4th, Nylander is 6th. Hyman is 15th ahead of all Oilers including McC who is 25th
The belief was that Tavares was a point a game player on a team with very little scoring talent and being surrounded with all of the young talent on the Leafs his numbers would hit the 100 point plateau every year but it hasn't.
 

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Kansas City or Houston seem to be the big talk whenever expansion comes up But I'm still scratching my head wondering why neither put an offer in for the Atlanta Thrashers
Atlanta is getting a lot of consideration for their third kick at the can.
 

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Atlanta is getting a lot of consideration for their third kick at the can.
I think Utah would be a better choice than all three despite that it's a small market the competition with other sports is the Jazz only and they have the arena.
 
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