20,000 dead.Keep throwing unsubstantiated numbers...it's full of nonsense....
I have another question: why do you think more ppl on terb support israel rather than hamas?Hamas said they attacked to resist against settlers storming Al Aqsa, West Bank settlement increases and settler terrorist attacks. Those are all legit and legal justification for violent resistance to an illegal occupation.
We still don't know how many civilians they killed on Oct 7, but that number keeps going down and more and more evidence of Israeli over reaction and use of the Hannibal directive shows they used tanks and Apaches on Israeli homes and civilians.
Your claims of Hamas' genocidal intent does not justify Israeli genocide in response. Nothing justifies genocide.
We are at the point where the world sees zionism as nazi like in language and acts. You talk about 'Hamas' or Palestinians the same way Nazis talked about Jews in WWII. And now we see the same brutality and genocidal intent.
That you don't or won't see it is a reminder on the frailty of human morality and the ability of some to become totally inhumane.
This will be the end of zionism.
Yet, they're alive. A concern not shared by their Hamas overlords.
Gaza being pillaged by Hamas...nice try..Back to the 1988 version and not the updated and not at all genocidal version?
Whatever evil you think Hamas is capable of doing does not excuse Israel for doing the same or worse to Palestinians.
You can't say Hamas are evil nazis and then become evil nazis yourself to fight them.
All you do is lose the moral war and the world's support, as Israel has done.
Netanyahu is fucked right now. He can't get the hostages back without a ceasefire but if he stops fighting his career is over and the war will be declared a failure because Hamas still exists. But Israelis are super pissed that he killed 3 hostages and more keep dying as he blows up all of Gaza. He's lost Biden and all global support but can't stop.
Why the war on Gaza is not making Israel safer
The more info that comes out the faster zionism will end.
You may support genocide because you think Hamas are evil but the world just sees genocide on an indigenous people living under a 75 year old occupation.
Now they are being bombed, starved and refused medical care as they get sick.
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Keep crying, you had no argument....you hate jews, we get it...it's ok...When you cite Oct 7 as a starting point, your racism is on full display.
Nice try, all these happened, Hamas already wanted to kill jews....you're just making excuses for their terrorism at this point....there is no legal justification to terrorism franky....ZERO...unless you support terrorists...Hamas said they attacked to resist against settlers storming Al Aqsa, West Bank settlement increases and settler terrorist attacks. Those are all legit and legal justification for violent resistance to an illegal occupation.
Yeah like anybody wants to settle on this cursed land which even Egypt doesn’t want to touch with a ten feet poleThe ones who started it were the Israelis. First, via manipulation of the colonial powers and forced (funded) immigration - mind you the formation of Israel was illegitimate, unnecessary and a direct result of colonial and WW1 politics. And even if we were to ignore that and fast forward to 1967, the building of settlements, apartheid and violent dispossession of the Palestinians was entirely Israel's fault. Infact the 1967 war, was initiated by the Israelis under the narrative of "pre-emptive attacks", but regardless of what it was called, it was an attack started by Israel. The October 7, attack is just one conflict in a multi-decade conflict, so cannot and should not be looked at it in isolation, unless you are a racist, genocide apologist, who just needs an excuse.
You would and are, very naive to even believe, that Gaza will be "handed over" to Palestinian leadership. No. Israel is going to occupy northern Gaza, and maintain, "security control", and then in come the settlers.
Which is why I foresee a natural one-state solution down the line at some point. There is just no other way this could go. The only other option is ethnic cleansing and genocide, which you seem to be actively supporting.
Israel will win this war, so there will be no one state solution, since that is not the solution Israel wants. A two state solution will REQUIRE handing over adminstration of Gaza to a Palestinian authority, so that is what will be done.You would and are, very naive to even believe, that Gaza will be "handed over" to Palestinian leadership. No. Israel is going to occupy northern Gaza, and maintain, "security control", and then in come the settlers.
Which is why I foresee a natural one-state solution down the line at some point. There is just no other way this could go. The only other option is ethnic cleansing and genocide, which you seem to be actively supporting.
Looking at Oct 7 as "one conflict in a Multi-decade conflict" gives you an excuse to call anybody "racist" for calling it an atrocity...nice try...you're a jew hater...The ones who started it were the Israelis. First, via manipulation of the colonial powers and forced (funded) immigration - mind you the formation of Israel was illegitimate, unnecessary and a direct result of colonial and WW1 politics. And even if we were to ignore that and fast forward to 1967, the building of settlements, apartheid and violent dispossession of the Palestinians was entirely Israel's fault. Infact the 1967 war, was initiated by the Israelis under the narrative of "pre-emptive attacks", but regardless of what it was called, it was an attack started by Israel. The October 7, attack is just one conflict in a multi-decade conflict, so cannot and should not be looked at it in isolation, unless you are a racist, genocide apologist, who just needs an excuse.
You would and are, very naive to even believe, that Gaza will be "handed over" to Palestinian leadership. No. Israel is going to occupy northern Gaza, and maintain, "security control", and then in come the settlers.
Which is why I foresee a natural one-state solution down the line at some point. There is just no other way this could go. The only other option is ethnic cleansing and genocide, which you seem to be actively supporting.
The way you frame that question is your answer.I have another question: why do you think more ppl on terb support israel rather than hamas?
(i have my own theory which is that Hamas supporters are largely losers who cannot afford hobbying so they are underrepresented here)
The problem, rich, is that you're now calling some Jews 'Jew haters'.Looking at Oct 7 as "one conflict in a Multi-decade conflict" gives you an excuse to call anybody "racist" for calling it an atrocity...nice try...you're a jew hater...
And yet they still have the support of 75% of Palestinians in Gaza while only 4% of Israelis trust Netanyahu and 4/5 want him to resign.Yet, they're alive. A concern not shared by their Hamas overlords.
Nobody believes that, rich.Gaza being pillaged by Hamas...nice try..
You hate Jews, rich.Keep crying, you had no argument....you hate jews, we get it...it's ok...
There was no other theory. I only have one theory. That anti israel crowd has no money to hobby and that’s why they are visibly underrepresented here.Your other theory is hilarious.
Israel will win this war, so there will be no one state solution, since that is not the solution Israel wants. A two state solution will REQUIRE handing over adminstration of Gaza to a Palestinian authority, so that is what will be done.
I won't bother with a detailed response to your take on the history of the region or your stupid claim about ethnic cleansing You have it wrong, and the whole world knows it, including the Arab nations, which is why no one is rushing in to "save" Hamas from defeat.
No, its really just that zionists are becoming the new nazis.There was no other theory. I only have one theory. That anti israel crowd has no money to hobby and that’s why they are visibly underrepresented here.
This makes no sense. History is replete with wars started by the side who ended up being trounced and who had no business attacking their enemy.There is no "war" to win. The outcome of this assault was pre-determined. Israel cannot lose because Hamas does not have the tools or training to defeat them. Even Hamas knew it before they attacked on October 7.
Nonsense. Israel occupied Gaza and turned it back over in the past. They don't want the responsibility of governing these lunatics. You really don't learn from history, do you?This is not a war but an assault on the Palestinians to punish them and use it as an excuse to grab more land - a tried and tested tactic used by Israel since 1967..
To quote Captain Obvious, a political party is not a state, stupid. And, on history, once again you get an F. Israel has proposed 2 state solutions in the past. They will continue to do so.A 2 state solution will not happen, because a) There is no land to create a 2 state solution and b) Israel has concretely refused the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state. Heck it is in the Likud charter.
No, it's just that once a nail has been hammered into a board, there's no need to continue hammering.As for your knowledge of history of that region - well, it is non-existent, so it is understandable that you do not want to discuss it.
How to say "I lack moral clarity" without stating "I lack moral clarity".October 7, IS objectively one conflict in a multi-decade conflict. And yes, I hate racist, Zionist, violent Jews, much like I hate Hamas, that are in charge of Israel right now. The Zionists in power are basically Hamas (aka terrorists). They just speak Hebrew, follow Judaism and have more money and education.





