You're further gone than I thought. Nothing you post makes any sense at this point.
Israel at war
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So Israel, after 10 weeks and more than two Hiroshima's worth of bombs hasn't slowed Hamas and only killed 20,000 mostly women and children?
What a total failure.
All they've done is make Gaza totally unliveable, after this they will have to let the people of Gaza back into the rest of the country.
And not only have they not destroyed Hamas, they are now more respected globally than before.
US intel analysis says Hamas influence up since start of war: Report
A new analysis by US intelligence agencies has found that the credibility and influence have risen dramatically since October 7, according to a CNN report.
The US-based network quoted officials familiar with the different assessments as saying that Hamas has successfully positioned itself across some Arab and Muslim countries as a defender of the Palestinian cause and an effective fighter against Israel.
Total f'ng disaster for Israel and the people of Gaza.
It will take decades to fix Gaza and decades for Israel to overcome zionism and genocide.
Funny how it pales in comparison to....
The Hamas Covenant
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The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August 18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS, is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization operating in the territories under Israeli control. Its Covenant is a comprehensive manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad (Islamic Holy War). The following are excerpts of the HAMAS Covenant:
Goals of the HAMAS:
"The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine."
On the destruction of Israel:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (Preamble)
The exclusive Moslem nature of the area:
"The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it."
"Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be."
The call to jihad:
"The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised."
"Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about."
Rejection of a negotiated peace settlement:
"[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility."
Condemnation of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty:
"Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle. ...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act."
Anti-Semitic incitement:
The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
"The enemies have been scheming for a long time ... and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media... With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe... They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about... With their money they formed secret organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions - which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests... They stood behind World War I ... and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains... There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it." (Article 22)
"Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'." (Article 32)
"The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism... Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews."
When you cite Oct 7 as a starting point, your racism is on full display.
Back to the 1988 version and not the updated and not at all genocidal version?
Whatever evil you think Hamas is capable of doing does not excuse Israel for doing the same or worse to Palestinians.
You can't say Hamas are evil nazis and then become evil nazis yourself to fight them.
All you do is lose the moral war and the world's support, as Israel has done.
Netanyahu is fucked right now. He can't get the hostages back without a ceasefire but if he stops fighting his career is over and the war will be declared a failure because Hamas still exists. But Israelis are super pissed that he killed 3 hostages and more keep dying as he blows up all of Gaza. He's lost Biden and all global support but can't stop.
Why the war on Gaza is not making Israel safer
The more info that comes out the faster zionism will end.
You may support genocide because you think Hamas are evil but the world just sees genocide on an indigenous people living under a 75 year old occupation.
Now they are being bombed, starved and refused medical care as they get sick.
I have another question: why do you think more ppl on terb support israel rather than hamas?
(i have my own theory which is that Hamas supporters are largely losers who cannot afford hobbying so they are underrepresented here)
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Yet, they're alive. A concern not shared by their Hamas overlords.
Gaza being pillaged by Hamas...nice try..Back to the 1988 version and not the updated and not at all genocidal version?
Whatever evil you think Hamas is capable of doing does not excuse Israel for doing the same or worse to Palestinians.
You can't say Hamas are evil nazis and then become evil nazis yourself to fight them.
All you do is lose the moral war and the world's support, as Israel has done.
Netanyahu is fucked right now. He can't get the hostages back without a ceasefire but if he stops fighting his career is over and the war will be declared a failure because Hamas still exists. But Israelis are super pissed that he killed 3 hostages and more keep dying as he blows up all of Gaza. He's lost Biden and all global support but can't stop.
Why the war on Gaza is not making Israel safer
The more info that comes out the faster zionism will end.
You may support genocide because you think Hamas are evil but the world just sees genocide on an indigenous people living under a 75 year old occupation.
Now they are being bombed, starved and refused medical care as they get sick.
Nice try, all these happened, Hamas already wanted to kill jews....you're just making excuses for their terrorism at this point....there is no legal justification to terrorism franky....ZERO...unless you support terrorists...
Yeah like anybody wants to settle on this cursed land which even Egypt doesn’t want to touch with a ten feet pole
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Israel will win this war, so there will be no one state solution, since that is not the solution Israel wants. A two state solution will REQUIRE handing over adminstration of Gaza to a Palestinian authority, so that is what will be done.
I won't bother with a detailed response to your take on the history of the region or your stupid claim about ethnic cleansing You have it wrong, and the whole world knows it, including the Arab nations, which is why no one is rushing in to "save" Hamas from defeat.
Looking at Oct 7 as "one conflict in a Multi-decade conflict" gives you an excuse to call anybody "racist" for calling it an atrocity...nice try...you're a jew hater...
The way you frame that question is your answer.
The question should be why do you support zionism over indigenous rights.
Or why do you support Israel over Palestine, or why do you support apartheid over human rights.
You and the Israel supporters are constantly trying to conflate Zionism with antisemitism and Palestinians with Hamas, both are just disinformation.
I have Palestinian and Jewish friends, it was the Jewish friends who turned me on to the situation years ago and the Palestinian friends who confirmed it, they aren't allowed to be as vocal up until 2021.
Your other theory is hilarious.
The question I ask is why the 'never again' crowd is 'doing it again' .
More than 90 percent of Gaza facing ‘crisis levels’ of hunger: UN-backed report
“At least one in four households (more than half a million people) in the Gaza Strip are facing catastrophic acute food insecurity conditions (IPC Phase 5 – Catastrophe), characterized by extreme food gaps and collapse of their livelihood,” the report said. “About 80% of the population in [the] Gaza Strip are in Emergency (IPC Phase 4) or Catastrophe (IPC Phase 5).”
The problem, rich, is that you're now calling some Jews 'Jew haters'.
IJV Canada, IfNotNow and other Jewish groups represent a good part of the Jewish population who you think are 'Jew haters'.
I've marched with them.
They also note that this was posted before Oct 7
