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Frankfooter

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Leimonis said:
I believe that some posters may honestly not recognize that "from the river to the sea" means elimination of israel.
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Is that what it means when they said it in the Likud charter?

I just find it very sad that the idea of free Palestinians, with citizenship and the vote, for you means the elimination of Israel.
As if the Israel you back can't survive a full democracy.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Either are Palestinians.
So just give them citizenship, full rights and the vote.
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why would they stop their war against jews if they got all that and became so much stronger? it's just like surrendering land to Putin, only guarantees further attacks.
 
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Frankfooter said:
I ask you almost every day here and you can't say it.

Because you do support killing Palestinian children, you clearly think they are 'vermin' and can't bring yourself to make a simple statement otherwise.
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I've been asking you everyday since Oct. 7 if you condemn the Hamas attack that day as a terrorist attack and you can't say it.
 
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Kautilya said:
Not true. A lot of Jews and Muslims, in Israel and Palestine fundamentally want to live with equal rights and security. over a period of time. After all these 2 groups of people used to live right next to each other, before Zionism and the associated violence, was foisted upon the land by the colonial powers.
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Actually, not true...
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Per survey from AWRAD (you can criticize it but I have data to back up my opinions & you don't) show;
  • Amid the ongoing war, some 75% of respondents said they would like to see the establishment of “a Palestinian state from "the river to the sea,”
  • some 59% of respondents indicated that they “extremely support” Hamas’ actions on Oct. 7, with another 16% saying that they “somewhat support” them.
  • 90% of respondents perceive coexistence with Israel as ‘increasingly impossible’, and a staggering 98% are unwilling to forgive Israel for the recent conflict. (I guess losing every conflict since 1947 escapes many Palis)
  • a majority of surveyed Palestinians in the West Bank support the October 7 massacre carried out by Hamas, and an even wider majority have a positive view of the various terrorist factions.
I can't find the link but something like only 12% support a two-state solution.

So, NO, Palestinians DO NOT want a peaceful solution. It's NOT going to happen and the best Israel can do is these incursions very 5 to 10 years to ensure their continued existence.

And your statement of "was foisted upon the land by the colonial powers" is laughable since violence against Jews was occurring LONG before the colonial powers severed the Levant. Cherry picking history.
 
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John_Jacob said:
Actually, not true...
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(out of time so I can't post original source)

Per survey from AWRAD (you can criticize it but I have data to back up my opinions & you don't) show;
  • Amid the ongoing war, some 75% of respondents said they would like to see the establishment of “a Palestinian state from "the river to the sea,”
  • some 59% of respondents indicated that they “extremely support” Hamas’ actions on Oct. 7, with another 16% saying that they “somewhat support” them.
  • 90% of respondents perceive coexistence with Israel as ‘increasingly impossible’, and a staggering 98% are unwilling to forgive Israel for the recent conflict. (I guess losing every conflict since 1947 escapes many Palis)
  • a majority of surveyed Palestinians in the West Bank support the October 7 massacre carried out by Hamas, and an even wider majority have a positive view of the various terrorist factions.
I can't find the link but something like only 12% support a two-state solution.

So, NO, Palestinians DO NOT want a peaceful solution. It's NOT going to happen and the best Israel can do is these incursions very 5 to 10 years to ensure their continued existence.

And your statement of "was foisted upon the land by the colonial powers" is laughable since violence against Jews was occurring LONG before the colonial powers severed the Levant. Cherry picking history.
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If you think this story is credible you must surely be aware that it contains this text:

“Without a political horizon for Palestinians, Israel remains a state built on a foundation of structural oppression where Palestinians are permanently subjugated, disregarded, and humiliated.”
 
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Leimonis said:
why would they stop their war against jews if they got all that and became so much stronger? it's just like surrendering land to Putin, only guarantees further attacks.
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You are just blinded by hate.

They are just a people, a people that would be happy to live their lives without being bombed by their oppressors every 2-3 years.
Just stop killing them and let them live their lives.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726191962779201679
 
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shack said:
I've been asking you everyday since Oct. 7 if you condemn the Hamas attack that day as a terrorist attack and you can't say it.
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I answered a month ago and almost daily since.

You have never answered and still refuse to even state that Palestinian children are civilians who should not be killed.
Not once despite almost daily requests.

Which makes it very clear you see all Palestinians as 'Hamas' and therefore 'vermin'.
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Varmin that need to be exterminated. Period.
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You are the typical zionist, a genocidal racist pushing a hate filled, 19th century mandate on an indigenous population.
 
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Kautilya said:
Must watch documentary on how the British colonial endeavour and WW 1 political manipulation led to the creation of the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

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The problem here is that...jews wanted a Jewish state...the Palestinians didn't want a Palestinian state...what they want is no Jewish state...since the birth of Israel as a state, how many tines did it start a war with its neighbors? Answer is zero...British has done a lot of mandates and most countries turn out great...except this part of the world...
 
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