The reality is Israel isn't going anywhere, face it.Yes and I dont believe Israel has established proportionality. The losses are too high to justify the attacks. Hence my accusation of this being a war crime.
The reality is Israel isn't going anywhere, face it.Yes and I dont believe Israel has established proportionality. The losses are too high to justify the attacks. Hence my accusation of this being a war crime.
The naivete astounds me.No. Give them equal rights. Form a one state solution, and give them citizenship, so you can accomplish 2 things - a) You can hold on to the land and b) You can give the Palestinians freedom.
Or, give them a 2 state solution with full freedoms and go back to the 1967 borders.
That can be done, or atleast steps taken in that direction, no?
It is also fallacious reasoning to assume that the "Palestinians want to push Israelis into the sea". Watch the video I linked a couple of pages ago.
So in your "realistic" world, it is completely acceptable to brutalize an entire ethnic group of people, because "Israel has to exist"?
Yes and I dont believe Israel has established proportionality. The losses are too high to justify the attacks. Hence my accusation of this being a war crime.
yes, diplomatically! this is actually a great idea! I am surprised that nobody thought of it during the last 75 yearsI am not asking for it to go anywhere. Am asking Israel to follow international law. And to resolve the overarching issue diplomatically
Seriously. When thehell has "international law" ever really come into play, especially in the ME.I am not asking for it to go anywhere. Am asking Israel to follow international law. And to resolve the overarching issue diplomatically, instead of continuing to focus on stealing lands and oppressing people.
Yeah, I know, everyone should gleefully, be on board with war crimes and ethnic cleansing. You've made that clear.
By diplomatically he means that Israelis should just quietly march off into the sea.yes, diplomatically! this is actually a great idea! I am surprised that nobody thought of it during the last 75 years
I believe that some posters may honestly not recognize that "from the river to the sea" means elimination of israel. One would think they would recognize their profound lack of knowledge and information on such a complex subject. They barge into it and then find their bubble in the sea of information and propaganda and all of a sudden someone who started out like a normal person becomes radicalized before our eyes. It's quite educational.By diplomatically he means that Israelis should just quietly march off into the sea.
Or you can try being original and using your own brain. Oh wait, you're part of the zionist group think/echo chamber. Never mind.Fwiw I'm going to add the "like" emoji to every pro-Hamas or anti-Israel post I see here just to confuse the issue, just like "versitile1" does to almost every pro-Israel and pro-Jew post, just to confuse who is actually adding what emoji to those posts...
Unless I feel like adding the emoji, of course.
What fun!
It about acknowledging that there is nothing special about Gaza. They aren't any worse off. And that no war crimes tribunals are going to happen. At best this is a civil war. So is Syria, so is Yemen. So why do the Palestinians deserve special treatment? Why is their crises so much worse than any other?Other war crimes do not justify present war crimes. Try again.
Deliberately following a policy of stealing lands and then proposing peace deals that involve the other side just "accepting" the status quo, and then balking at the failure, is not diplomacy. It needs to be sincere and it needs to enable Palestinian freedom. Not just freedoms, but sovereignty.
The intent behind this sort of rhetoric and hyperbole is what prevents diplomacy from succeeding.
Actually I think it may be the opposite. Posters like gryphon and his friends would like to convince people that “from the river to the sea” means something much more benign then it really is with a view to somehow sanitizing the murderous intentions of Hamas and other such organizations.I believe that some posters may honestly not recognize that "from the river to the sea" means elimination of israel. One would think they would recognize their profound lack of knowledge and information on such a complex subject. They barge into it and then find their bubble in the sea of information and propaganda and all of a sudden someone who started out like a normal person becomes radicalized before our eyes. It's quite educational.
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And they so masterfully turn a blind eye to the fact that pushing the pro-palestine agenda is helping the worst people politically right now. They will not help Palestinians but they help Trump, Putin and Iran. They deny it because it's so uncomfortable and stupid, but it's also profoundly sad.
I've never killed dogs, for fun or any other reason.No. That is a joke.
You've never said that you've never killed dogs for fun.
That is proof that you have.
Its in the Likud charter.Actually I think it may be the opposite. Posters like gryphon and his friends would like to convince people that “from the river to the sea” means something much more benign then it really is with a view to somehow sanitizing the murderous intentions of Hamas and other such organizations.
No, shack, because I clearly state that there are lots of Jewish groups that aren't zionistYour use of "Zionist" is clear, you mean all Jews everywhere.
If this were a moderated debate, you'd be kicked off the stage. Not necessarily for hate speech but because your illogical conclusions are laughable and would be an insult to the moderator's and audience's intelligence. You pull these things out of thin air that are Bizarro world.
OMG!
Of course you are here defending attacking hospitals.Sorry but you should check international law. It loses status as a protected site when used for military purposes. The only question is whether any civilian death toll is proportionate to the military value.
Either are Palestinians.The reality is Israel isn't going anywhere, face it.
They have, but Israel is a rogue stat that won't abide UN resolutins.yes, diplomatically! this is actually a great idea! I am surprised that nobody thought of it during the last 75 years