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Israel at war

mandrill

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Yes they are, mandrill. Shack called them 'vermin', the head of the IDF called them 'human animals' and Netanyahu used 'Amalek'.
This is explicitly a colonial and racist issue.

The Likud party charter calls for an Israel 'from river to sea', the whole West Bank is filled with people they call 'settlers'.
How much more blatantly obvious can your colonial settler movement be?
Shack said that about the HAMAS terrorists. Not the general Palestinian population.
 

mandrill

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No, you misunderstand the law.
Even if Hamas were using the citizens of Gaza as human shields you're still not allowed to target them.

No government or army is going to agree not to target terrorists who deliberately surround themselves with human shields.

It would mean that HAMAS - or AQ or ISIS or any rightie neo nazi group - could do 7 October and then retreat into a human shield. It would make it impossible for legitimate governments to protect their own citizens.
 

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To continue...


The demographics of Israel, monitored by the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, encompass various attributes that define the nation's populace. Since its establishment in 1948, Israel has witnessed significant changes in its demographics. Initially formed as a homeland for the Jewish people following the Holocaust in World War II, Israel has attracted Jewish immigrants from around the globe. Consequently, the Jewish population in Israel is incredibly diverse, with roots spanning Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Americas.

As of March 2023, Israel's population stands at approximately 9.73 million. Jews make up the majority at 73.5% (about 7.145 million individuals).[3] The Arab community, spanning various religions excluding Judaism, accounts for 21% (around 2.048 million). An additional 5.5% (roughly 534,000 individuals) are classified as "others". This diverse group comprises those with Jewish ancestry but not recognized as Jewish by religious law, non-Jewish family members of Jewish immigrants, Christian non-Arabs, Muslim non-Arabs, and residents without a distinct ethnic or religious categorization.[4]

Beyond the predominant Jewish and Arab communities, there are also smaller ethnic groups, such as the Circassians, Armenians, and Druze.

75% of the population of Israel are Jews. That is a vast majority and far different from the white minority rule apartheid regimes that I have listed above. Israel is closer to the Canadian situation than even to South Africa.

There are security reasons why Arabs cannot be given a full share of power in Israel. We have just seen what happens on 7 October. The Arab communities are heavily infiltrated and controlled by extremist Islamic terror elements.

The Arabs should take some kind of 2-state coexistence deal.
Those demographics are meaningless without the story of the forced depopulation of the Palestinian population during the same time period.
 
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Precision bombing doesnt level all of Gaza, refugee camps, schools and hospitals and kill 12000 people and 6000 children.
Unless your targets were the civIlian population. Then the term precision bombing is completely accurate.
 

mandrill

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Those demographics are meaningless without the story of the forced depopulation of the Palestinian population during the same time period.
The demographics are what they are.

You think the native American population would be as small without the white man's diseases? At a certain point, you have to go with the current situation.
 

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Unless your targets were the civIlian population. Then the term precision bombing is completely accurate.
But the targets were NOT the civilian population. They were HAMAS. Who used human shields.
 
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Klatuu

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The demographics are what they are.

You think the native American population would be as small without the white man's diseases? At a certain point, you have to go with the current situation.
That’s just a nonsensical word salad.

Talk about the depopulation of the indigenous Palestinian population. There is ample scholarship and documentation available.
 

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No government or army is going to agree not to target terrorists who deliberately surround themselves with human shields.

It would mean that HAMAS - or AQ or ISIS or any rightie neo nazi group - could do 7 October and then retreat into a human shield. It would make it impossible for legitimate governments to protect their own citizens.
But Israel does not have the legal right to self defence against the people they occupy in the first place.
The occupation is illegal
The blockade is illegal
Every settlement is illegal
Apartheid is illegal

You can't then use the claim that there are human shields to kill civilians.
If shack held you at gunpoint as a human shield the cops in Toronto would not be justified in killing you both to get squeezer.
Same in Gaza, you can't kill 70% women and children and then claim you were only aiming at Hamas.
 

Frankfooter

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But the targets were NOT the civilian population. They were HAMAS. Who used human shields.
Even if that were the case then its still the war crime of disproportionate response.
If that were the case.

Not to mention the seige that has blocked all food, water and power.
That is clearly targeting all the people in Gaza including civilians.
 

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But Israel does not have the legal right to self defence against the people they occupy in the first place.
The occupation is illegal
The blockade is illegal
Every settlement is illegal
Apartheid is illegal

You can't then use the claim that there are human shields to kill civilians.
If shack held you at gunpoint as a human shield the cops in Toronto would not be justified in killing you both to get squeezer.
Same in Gaza, you can't kill 70% women and children and then claim you were only aiming at Hamas.
Of course not, Israel should open the gates and welcome Hamas and its fighters in for some coffee and crumpets.

ps...Squeezer would never be in the open or among the civilian population. It's the brothels that would have to be deeeeeep underground for everyone's safety.
 
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Why the fixation on Israel? Iran backed Houthis have killed 500,000 civilians in Yemen Syria’s Assad has killed over 700,000 people North Korea is starving millions of its citizens to death and has executed 1.2 million political dissidents Iran kills gays and often murders girls for not wearing a hijab Where is the outrage against actual oppression?
 

mandrill

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That’s just a nonsensical word salad.

Talk about the depopulation of the indigenous Palestinian population. There is ample scholarship and documentation available.
You miss my point, which is that you have to deal with the current population mix - which is 73% Jewish - if you're going to realistically and pragmatically discuss the future and its alternative choices.

Can I make it any simpler for you? Or is even this still a "word salad"?
 

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