Israel at war

shack

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No, I won't
Even if Israel was correct about Hamas using human shields and you called Israel liars.

If you were wrong you should be a mensch and admit it but. But it's tough for anti-Semites to be mensches.
I don't believe anything the IDF has to say after their repeated fuck ups and lies.
And with all their fuck ups they are in total control.

You know, you started off trying to show how even-handed and unpartisan you wanted to portray yourself. But just the same as is happening to frank, you are losing the debate and you are displaying your hate for Jews more and more. You can't contain it.

That is international law. Both using human shields and killing such shields to get to the enemy, are both war crimes. One doesn't justify the other, nor absolves either party from their legal obligations.
Ok. Both sides are committing war crimes. So that and $2.50 will get you a cup of copy but does nothing to help the Gazans.

Which human shields are Israel using? Who are they hiding behind. NOBODY!!! They are manning up, heading into hostile territory and owning their actions. Just because they have evidence to back up why they are attacking specific targets is hardly fucking up.

Hamas fucked up by attacking Oct. 7.

Do you think that the Oct. 7 attack was a good move? Do you support a Hamas surrender to start saving Gazan lives as soon as possible? any other action, or lack thereof, means more Gazan lives will be lost.

How do you think that this war will end up?
So is killing those human shields, which Israel has been doing.
Hah!!! Before you denied that Hamas was using human shields and wanted proof/evidence but now you take it as a given. You are too funny and you are proving that your own claims are pathetically weak.

You are losing the war. You are losing the debates. You are losing any credibility you may have had left. Deal with it.
 
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shack

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No, we were't talking about human shields. I said "No, I won't" to you asking me if I would apologize if Israel's claim of finding tunnels 30m from a hospital was true. I said I won't because I do not trust what the IDF has to say considering their track record of blatantly lying.
OK. I misread your comment. But not just if they found the tunnel but if the tunnel led under the hospital and/or had armouries and command centers.

Example #1 of you trying to lie and gaslight, after repeatedly accusing Frank of doing so. I'll call you out every time you do so.
No problem as long as you also keep calling out all of frank's.



Yes, I started off even handed and non-partisan.
I believe that you tried to portray that image. However, it was still pretty transparent that that was simply a facade. At this point you have given up all pretences.

Israel is wrong. Straight up wrong.
About what? Wanting to defend its' citizens?

You should similarly read reports of Israeli oppression.
Playing the oppression card is justifying/approving Oct. 7. No 2 ways about it. Even if you say you condemn Oct. 7 you're adding a "yabut". If you're going to condemn it you cannot add qualifiers.

You haven't made any. What you have engaged in is to tirelessly troll, name call, lie, gaslight and go in circles, with the same 2 or 3 points.
Because you, and especially frank, can never adequately address those 2 or 3 points. That gives me the liberty to keep bringing them up. I will give you credit for manning up more than frank and addressing most of my questions. He slinks away like a coward from so many questions it's a joke. You are a more honourable debater than frank. He is a disgrace.
 
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Frankie, the sane interpretation of that image is that Israel is attempting to avoid unnecessary civilians deaths by warning people to evacuate a war zone. Nothing supports the position that Israel wants to inflict large civilian casualties.
That's insane.

Blocking all food and water is clearly not 'avoiding unnecessary civilian deaths'.
Its trying to cause as many as you can.

 

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You've been responding up until now. What changed?

I calmly asked this:
With what's happening in Gaza since Oct. 7, do you think that the attack was a good move?

Where is the anger, threats and racism?

I am simply asking a reasonable question as I am interested in hearing your opinion.

But for someone who loves to tell us all what he thinks, all of a sudden you are afraid to tell us your opinion. How strange.

I asked above, what changed? This:

You are cornered and now you are simply lashing out. You are unhinged (but not unfringed) and showing your frustration when you can't gaslight at will and the flaws, inconsistencies and hypocrisy of your statements are exposed using fact, logic and best of all, using your own words against you. You are cornered.

It's ok Fringie. You don't have to answer for me to prove what a phony you are and how much hate you have. But just for old time sake and tradition:

With what's happening in Gaza since Oct. 7, do you think that the attack was a good move? I hope you have a Smurfy day.😘
I've repeatedly answered your questions shack, yet you have refused to answer a single one of mine.
So why would I engage.

Tell you what, if you honestly answer 3 questions I'll answer your next one.
1) Has zionism made Jews safer?
2) What is Israel's endgame with Palestine/Palestinians?
3) Will you finally say its wrong to kill children?

Your turn to finally answer questions.
 
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Frankfooter

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He who laughs last laughs best.

CNN right now just started reporting that the IDF found an opening to a tunnel 30 metres from the hospital. More exploration is required.

Will you issue an apology if it ends up being confirmed? Will you admit that Hamas is using human shields?
That's an admission that they did not find any tunnels under the hospital.
they lied to you

Only 4% of Israelis trust Netanyahu, yet you do.

 

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Hah!!! Before you denied that Hamas was using human shields and wanted proof/evidence but now you take it as a given. You are too funny and you are proving that your own claims are pathetically weak.

You are losing the war. You are losing the debates. You are losing any credibility you may have had left. Deal with it.
This is what you think as a human shield.

These are real examples.


 

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Whether or not it leads to a "command center", which is essentially just a bunch of rooms, it still would not pass the proportionality test
But it would pass the human shield test. Initially you denied that Hamas was using human shields but once evidence was provided you shifted to "it doesn't matter".

You can believe what you want, but I was infact non-partisan. But it isn't possible to be non-partisan much less pro-Israel, given the war crimes. The "fuck Israel" position I have taken, is not something I am ashamed of. It is something I admit and I do so proudly, as the position was taken after being convinced by reading historical facts, that Israel is a racist, oppressive state.
You've been anti-Israel since day 1. The only thing is instead alluding to it you are now shouting it. TBH, you had me slightly fooled originally but others called you out before I did. I was definitely not the first. Once you were challenged your tone changed and you could no longer restrain yourself from displaying your hatred.

At least now you're not being a phony about it.

They are not defending. They are invading.
Take it up with frank. He called the Israeli soldiers "defenders".

The focus here is Palestinian lives.
Agree. Hamas should surrender and release the hostages. There is absolutely no other plan that saves more Palestinian lives and does so more quickly.

Do you support that plan and if not, why not?

BTW, aren't Israeli lives just as worthy of focus, if not right this minute but in the future. Their welfare needs to be considered equally.


And those lives have been put in danger, for the last 75 years.
You can't say that you condemn terrorism and then justify it.

So while we condemn terror attacks, it is absolutely imperative to look at the root causes of terrorism, and the larger conflict, because not addressing those root causes will cause more terrorism in the future.
I agree. Diplomacy works better than Oct. 7's.
 
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