Will Israelis or Palestinians Win the PR War?

[shack]

Your inner monologue needs more bold, some red fonts and more exclamation points.

Irrelevant.

The reality is that I've been posting support of BDS to end Israeli apartheid here for years.

Irrelevant to your support of the Oct. 7 attack.

[/QUOTE]I don't support violence by either sided, [/QUOTE]Irrelevant to my question of if the price being paid currently was worth the attack of Oct. 7. You knew that there would be a violent response.

sanctions will get us there without any deaths to any civilans.

And surrender would achieve the same result but immediately instead of the years that sanctions would take.

Your racism includes the view though, that indigenous Palestinians do not have the right to self defence against an illegal occupation of their land. Palestinians do have the right to self defence, but not the right to target civilians any more than Israelis do. But saying this doesn't mean I support attacks by either side, only that as the US said, it was inevitable as long as the occupation lasts.

Thank you for strengthening my argument.

By justifying Oct. 7 by giving reasons for why it occurred all the while that you knew a violent response would occur. Regardless of whether or not it was justified, is the price being paid now in Gaza worth Hamas launching that "justified or not" attack. Justification is not a factor, it happened. Was it worth it?

Zionism has made Jews less safe and killed tens of thousands of Palestinians.
Its a moral failure and a tactical disaster.

More justification for Oct. However it is irrelevant as to whether or not the Oct. 7 attack is worth the price currently being paid in Gaza.

Its time to end the occupation and apartheid.
Give Palestinians citizenship, full human rights and the vote.

More justification for Oct. 7. And more proof that if you're willing to wait for those to happen then you support the ongoing death and suffering of the residents of Gaza. A ceasefire does not end the war. It is a pause. A total Hamas surrender ends the war immediately.

And stop fucking lying about what I say here.
Its sad.

Two options. Either point out the flawed logic in my argument. Justifying the attack does not do that. By doing that, you are actually strengthening my point.

You justify the attack. You also admit that the residents are paying a huge price. You think the price they are paying for Oct. 7 is worth it because you refuse to admit that it isn't. Hence, you are cool with what's happening in Gaza.

Option 2 is to say that the price they are paying is not worth that attack of Oct. 7 that you keep coming up with justifications for.

If you choose neither option:

frank approves of the ongoing and future death and suffering of the people of Gaza. It's not a lie.

 

[Frankfooter]

Two options. Either point out the flawed logic in my argument. Justifying the attack does not do that. By doing that, you are actually strengthening my point.

You justify the attack. You also admit that the residents are paying a huge price. You think the price they are paying for Oct. 7 is worth it because you refuse to admit that it isn't. Hence, you are cool with what's happening in Gaza.

Option 2 is to say that the price they are paying is not worth that attack of Oct. 7 that you keep coming up with justifications for.

If you choose neither option:

frank approves of the ongoing and future death and suffering of the people of Gaza. It's not a lie.

Option #3.
Lie about my statements one more time and I report you to the mods.

Along with this comment in reference to your refusal to say killing children is wrong.

The plague spreading vermin need to be eradicated and the whole civilized world know it.

 

[Leimonis]

You've already stated that you think all Palestinians in Gaza are Hamas or collateral damage, so any number of dead Palestinian civilians would be justified in your eyes. 20,000, 30,000, 40,000. The more, the better for you, eh?

since gazans cannot be totally eliminated it is definitely in Israel's interest to cause less collateral damage rather than more simply in order to avoid creating further terrorists if not for humanitarian reasons.
I trust Israel acts in its best interest.

 

[versitile1]

since gazans cannot be totally eliminated it is definitely in Israel's interest to cause less collateral damage rather than more simply in order to avoid creating further terrorists if not for humanitarian reasons.
I trust Israel acts in its best interest.

There are too many dead Palestinian civilians to call their deaths collateral damage. Bombing refugee camps, shutting off water and power, and stopping food shipments for all of Gaza is collective punishment. You just simply brush it off saying, "they made their bed".

 

[Butler1000]

Sure Slobodan. Whatever you say. You called for the ethnic cleansing and collective punishment of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank, tried and failed numerous times to justify what you said. And now you're trying to squirm away. Be proud of your ethnic cleansing ideas and words Slobodan. Even though everyone else with a conscience is disgusted by them.

Nope, I said that its the inevitable conclusion to the present dynamic. You just have comprehension issues.

 

[Leimonis]

There are too many dead Palestinian civilians to call their deaths collateral damage. Bombing refugee camps, shutting off water and power, and stopping food shipments for all of Gaza is collective punishment. You just simply brush it off saying, "they made their bed".

and this is an actual image of Gaza ministry of health workers as they prepare to carefully count Palestinian casualties

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1725124238724448497

 

[shack]

Option #3.
Lie about my statements one more time and I report you to the mods.

I used your words to prove my points. And you have not even attempted to prove my line of thinking wrong. You can't. So all you can do is say I'm lying. LOL.

Hey frank, in retrospect with all that has happened in Gaza, do you think that the Oct. 7 attack was a good move? Was it worth it?

And I'll report you for lying about the meaning of my quote about "vermin". Out of my whole post you took this one line implying that I was talking about Palestinians and genocide.
The plague spreading vermin need to be eradicated and the whole civilized world know it.

Here's the whole post.

So that is their and your bloodthirsty justification for the Oct. 7 attack in an attempt for "liberation".

Unfortunately, their approach is an exercise in futility. All they are doing is guaranteeing reprisals, death and suffering of Gazans, continued control by Israel, and Hamas' destruction. What they ensured was "suicide by Israel". They are savage idiots.

Hamas knew that there would be Israeli reprisals. What they didn't anticipate was that Israel would come after them directly, tunnel by tunnel by tunnel by tunnel until they are eradicated. Their hate caused them to step over the line this time and Israel and the U.S. will not be detracted by world opinion. The U.N. is a despot controlled joke that is no longer relevant. Do you think that Russia or China will step in? Not a chance.

How can Hamas possibly win this war, a war of their own creation? What is Hamas' endgame? How do you expect this to play out such that Hamas and Gaza come out ahead?

The plague spreading vermin need to be eradicated and the whole civilized world know it.

Who do you think I was talking about. But you had to resort to being deceptive making it sound like I was talking about Palestinians.

I'll say it again: Hamas are plague spreading vermin and they need to be eradicated.

 

[versitile1]

and this is an actual image of Gaza ministry of health workers as they prepare to carefully count Palestinian casualties

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1725124238724448497

So no reply. Just more lies to try and paint all Palestinians as Hamas, and to spread more hatred towards Palestinian children and babies, whose only crime was being born in Gaza. Just admit you love collective punishment for all Palestinians, because you think all Palestinians are terrorists.

 

[Darts]

This thread is a mess.

 

[Leimonis]

So no reply. Just more lies to try and paint all Palestinians as Hamas, and to spread more hatred towards Palestinian children and babies, whose only crime was being born in Gaza. Just admit you love collective punishment for all Palestinians, because you think all Palestinians are terrorists.

I absolutely would love to see hamas eliminated with zero civilian casualties. Unfortunately we live in reality in which it’s impossible.

The numbers of casualties coming from Gaza are hamas controlled and therefore they don’t exist for me.

Hope that helps.

 

[versitile1]

I absolutely would love to see hamas eliminated with zero civilian casualties. Unfortunately we live in reality in which it’s impossible.

The numbers of casualties coming from Gaza are hamas controlled and therefore they don’t exist for me.

Hope that helps.

You're the one that needs help, trying to equate caring about dead and dying babies to "helping Trump, Putin, and Iran". You also think Palestinians in Gaza are all dishonest because, "they'll rip you off when you buy an antique rug from them". Hope you get the help you need.

 

[Leimonis]

You're the one that needs help, trying to equate caring about dead and dying babies to "helping Trump, Putin, and Iran". You also think Palestinians in Gaza are all dishonest because, "they'll rip you off when you buy an antique rug from them". Hope you get the help you need.

okay now you are repetitive and boring. Keep whining about your terrorist friends to someone else.

 

[versitile1]

okay now you are repetitive and boring. Keep whining about your terrorist friends to someone else.

You keep replying to me. See, you think all Palestinian civilians are terrorists. You think babies and children deserve to be bombed because of where they were born. And you think caring about dead and dying babies "helps Trump, Putin, and Iran". Keep cheering for more dead Palestinian babies buried under the rubble of Gaza. Monster.

 

[dirtyharry555]

I didn't realize that Ukraine sent religious fanatics into Russia?!?!?

Ukrainians have a country and are supported by the USA.

Palestinians don't have a country, are degraded by the USA, and are occupied by Israel.

But I guess as well when the Ukrainian govt doesn't use its citizens as human shields that help things immensely

Given the context above, this is no justification for the mass slaughter we're witnessing.

It's an overzealous and radical "solution" that will only create more grief and terrorism in the years ahead.

 

[versitile1]

Nope, I said that its the inevitable conclusion to the present dynamic. You just have comprehension issues.

You support the collective punishment and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. What I cannot comprehend is how someone who claims to live in Canada in the 21st century can have such monstrous views, let alone share them (semi) openly.

 

[Butler1000]

You support the collective punishment and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. What I cannot comprehend is how someone who claims to live in Canada in the 21st century can have such monstrous views, let alone share them (semi) openly.

Whats your solution if neither side will give?

 

[versitile1]

Whats your solution if neither side will give?

What's the point? The only solution for Palestinian civilians you're interested in is "final".

 

[Butler1000]

What's the point? The only solution for Palestinian civilians you're interested in is "final".

So you don't have a solution? No ideas at all? I mean if you are going to advocate for a ceasefire what happens after?

 

[versitile1]

So you don't have a solution? No ideas at all? I mean if you are going to advocate for a ceasefire what happens after?

What were your "ideas" again? Oh yeah, that's right. Ethnic cleansing and collective punishment for Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank. I'm not here to convince you otherwise, but I will point out how despicable your statements are.

 

[shack]

You support the collective punishment

Collective disregard of Gazan lives by Hamas.