Will Israelis or Palestinians Win the PR War?

Frankfooter

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You are a broken record. And yes, history matters.

They cheered when Iraq invaded Kuwait. The ones Kuwait took in. And Kuwait deported all 300,000 of them.
They created terrorist zones in Jordan, including landing strips for hijacked airplanes. And attempted a coup to overthrow the Jordanian govt.
Egypt was so sick and tired of them, they fobbed them back off on Israel. And because Egypt signed a peace treaty, they collaborated with the Muslim Brotherhood to assassinate Sadat.
They have continually allied themselves with Iran, for terrorist training. Weapons. And have derailed every attempt at peace through numerous names, incarnations, and elected govts.

They, through public statements and signed charters, have repeatedly stated there will not be peace. Just the ethnic cleansing of Jews.

They have told us who they are.

So no, beyond some well vetted family reunification, I see no reason for admittance to Canada.

And I don't see a negotiated peace. Just a winner. So if I have to pick a side its Israel. Let Iran take them all in.
Hate speech.

Its clear that its hate speech because 'Israeli Arabs' can live peacefully inside Israel if you give them almost equal rights.
Ceasefire
End apartheid
Give Palestinians full citizenship, human rights and the vote.



 

Leimonis

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You are a broken record. And yes, history matters.

They cheered when Iraq invaded Kuwait. The ones Kuwait took in. And Kuwait deported all 300,000 of them.
They created terrorist zones in Jordan, including landing strips for hijacked airplanes. And attempted a coup to overthrow the Jordanian govt.
Egypt was so sick and tired of them, they fobbed them back off on Israel. And because Egypt signed a peace treaty, they collaborated with the Muslim Brotherhood to assassinate Sadat.
They have continually allied themselves with Iran, for terrorist training. Weapons. And have derailed every attempt at peace through numerous names, incarnations, and elected govts.

They, through public statements and signed charters, have repeatedly stated there will not be peace. Just the ethnic cleansing of Jews.

They have told us who they are.

So no, beyond some well vetted family reunification, I see no reason for admittance to Canada.

And I don't see a negotiated peace. Just a winner. So if I have to pick a side its Israel. Let Iran take them all in.
 

versitile1

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You are a broken record. And yes, history matters.

They cheered when Iraq invaded Kuwait. The ones Kuwait took in. And Kuwait deported all 300,000 of them.
They created terrorist zones in Jordan, including landing strips for hijacked airplanes. And attempted a coup to overthrow the Jordanian govt.
Egypt was so sick and tired of them, they fobbed them back off on Israel. And because Egypt signed a peace treaty, they collaborated with the Muslim Brotherhood to assassinate Sadat.
They have continually allied themselves with Iran, for terrorist training. Weapons. And have derailed every attempt at peace through numerous names, incarnations, and elected govts.

They, through public statements and signed charters, have repeatedly stated there will not be peace. Just the ethnic cleansing of Jews.

They have told us who they are.

So no, beyond some well vetted family reunification, I see no reason for admittance to Canada.

And I don't see a negotiated peace. Just a winner. So if I have to pick a side its Israel. Let Iran take them all in.
You support ethnic cleansing and collective punishment for all Palestinians for what Hamas and other extremist groups did, and for some imaginary future events. You claim to know what all Muslims that ever existed think. You keep bringing up unrelated conflicts. If anyone is a broken record, it's you. A racist, hate-filled broken record.
 

shack

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Stop hiding behind your pathetic double-speak
Actually, I'm very careful with the words I choose so that my message is clear and unambiguous (sarcastic comments aside ;) ), so there is no doublespeak on my part. You have an opinion and mine is different so obviously I'm going to choose different words and phrases than you do. As well, I state the reasoning for my opinion to try and make myself clear. What do you consider my doublespeak?

and openly admit you believe in collective punishment and ethnic cleansing for the Palestinians of Gaza, like those other posters I mentioned who aren't afraid to admit that.
I don't think that anybody has said that they support ethnic cleansing and I certainly don't. I can't definitively speak for them but I believe that they are saying due to the current situation and the history of the region that once this war started, it was inevitable that thousands of innocent civilians were going to get killed and they just accept that fact. Whatever happens, happens. It is what it is and maybe they sounds blase about it but I don't think it means that they support ethnic cleansing. And I believe that they think as I do, that what's happening is not collective punishment but that Hamas, Israel's actual target, is making it impossible to avoid the collateral damage/loss of gazan life.

But what I do support is Israel's right to defend themselves, which means completely obliterating Hamas, and it's not their fault if Hamas has no value for Gazan lives and is using them as human shields. That's been my point all along.

And no, I don't "hang out" with any one here, except for the occasional SP.
It's a figure of speech.

Maybe you should try it sometime, member since 2001 with 44,000 + posts. And bring some of those I mentioned along. They don't seem to have any reviews or see any SPs whatsoever. Kinda defeats the purpose of being on an escort review board.
Back in the day I was extremely active, spent waaay too much money and posted many, many reviews, enough such that I got recruited to join a private board and had the private numbers of several agency owners. Nowadays I stick mainly to sugar babies but I did post a review or two this year of SP/MP. And as far as the SBs, I have contributed significantly to the threads that deal with that topic talking about my experiences and what techniques have worked for me in terms attracting SBs and negotiating techniques.

If those other guys don't post reviews (not that I check on them) how is that a reflection on me?

The ones who support dump, abortion, mass shootings, the trucker convoy, etc. At least it only took you, what, 22 years to make some online "friends" and find out you're a con(servative).
See now you are just shooting from the lip. You have no idea which way my moral compass points.

On most issues I am certainly quite left of centre but in no way extreme or even woke. I stated on many occasions that in spite of that, I am not beholden to any ideologies, left or right. I am able to think for myself and as such I look at each issue based on its' own merits. To show you how wrong you characterized me, I am strongly pro-choice, I am strongly in favour of much stronger gun control measures, the truckers were ignorant, selfish MAGA wannabes that got off way too easy and left on many other issues. Where I skew to the right is in supporting the police (to a point.--too much brutality on their part and especially in the US) and as you have very astutely surmised, Sherlock I am pro-Israel. If being pro-Israel means I'm to the right on that issue, so be it. But I think for myself.

TBH, I don't even know why the middle east is a left/right topic. Tons and tons of Democrats support Israel.

But for you to paint me as a capital "C" conservative is a laughable mischaracterization. I can't even remember the last time I voted Conservative.
 
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versitile1

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I don't think that anybody has said that they support ethnic cleansing
Don't have the time to reply to your whole message but I'll just start here.

Um, I 100% support Israel but the endgame is going to be the removal of most Palestinians. It may take 50 years but its going to happen, with a small amount assimilating.

It and the West Bank and going to be resettled. They have to. Then the borders to the south with Egypt and Jordan can be better secured. And they will have defense in depth. Set up increased Iron Dome placements and secure Tel Aviv.

The Lebanese border and Syrian border will be threats for a while. But removing what are essentially interior security threats will go a long way.
 

Frankfooter

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And I believe that they think as I do, that what's happening is not collective punishment but that Hamas, Israel's actual target, is making it impossible to avoid the collateral damage/loss of gazan life.

But what I do support is Israel's right to defend themselves, which means completely obliterating Hamas, and it's not their fault if Hamas has no value for Gazan lives and is using them as human shields. That's been my point all along.
Blocking all food, water and power is not just collective punishment but genocidal and clearly not targeted towards Hamas.
You refuse to admit this.

You also refuse to accept Palestinians have any rights, especially the right to the self defence.
For some reason you don't think the indigenous people have a right to self defence from an illegal occupation.
You refuse to discuss this.
 

Butler1000

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Don't have the time to reply to your whole message but I'll just start here.
Yup. Because the alternative is the ethnic cleansing of Jews. So I picked a side.

You are just to naive to realize it. The Palestinians are incapable of coming to the peace table. They want the war and are too stupid to realize they will lose. Because the world sees them for what they are and won't help them. Its not about Israel wanting this. Its about the Palestinians would rather choose to die off than live in peace.
 

Frankfooter

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You finally admitted that Israel is NOT apartheid. Actually, Israeli Arabs DO have equal rights.
Read the frigging reports, shack.
As I said 'mostly equal'.
Its all detailed in the UN, HRW, Amnesty and B'tselem reports.
I refuse to discuss these details with an ignorant racist who won't do the basic research to debate a subject.

Israel is apartheid.




 

Frankfooter

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I don't think that anybody has said that they support ethnic cleansing and I certainly don't
Mandrill came out quite strongly arguing for ethnic cleansing, as has butler.
You have not called them out or commented on those posts.
 

versitile1

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I actually didn't have the time to type that whole message.

As I said in my post I can't definitively speak for anyone else.
You said you "didn't think anyone said they supported ethnic cleansing". I showed you that at least one poster does. So by your logic, if you don't condemn something, you support it. Either condemn this statement or you support it.
 
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richaceg

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Read the frigging reports, shack.
As I said 'mostly equal'.
Its all detailed in the UN, HRW, Amnesty and B'tselem reports.
I refuse to discuss these details with an ignorant racist who won't do the basic research to debate a subject.

Israel is apartheid.




We've read the reports...other than your regurgitation of propaganda news...nobody is calling Israel apartheid.....
 

versitile1

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Yup. Because the alternative is the ethnic cleansing of Jews. So I picked a side.

You are just to naive to realize it. The Palestinians are incapable of coming to the peace table. They want the war and are too stupid to realize they will lose. Because the world sees them for what they are and won't help them. Its not about Israel wanting this. Its about the Palestinians would rather choose to die off than live in peace.
More of your racist and hate-filled claims pretending to know what all Palestinians and Muslims think. You only want ethnic cleansing and collective punishment not only for Palestinians but all Muslims worldwide. Disgusting.
 

richaceg

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You said you "didn't think anyone said they supported ethnic cleansing". I showed you that at least one poster does. So by your logic, if you don't condemn something, you support it. Either condemn this statement or you support it.
I don't support ethnic cleansing...is ethnic cleansing happening? don'tthink so...
why bother evacuating civilians if they want to "cleanse"? why not shoot them? or it's just your wet dream?
 

versitile1

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I don't support ethnic cleansing...is ethnic cleansing happening? don'tthink so...
why bother evacuating civilians if they want to "cleanse"? why not shoot them? or it's just your wet dream?
This is your wet dream. Right from Israeli official's mouth.


 
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