Israel at war

[versitile1]

still no argument...just ramblings...

No. You're the one who's rambling after you were exposed for making shit up and then moving the goal posts.

Covert Ops don't operate on Hostile territories. They usually operate on Neutral territories...

You're watching too much movies...Covert ops does the investigation, surveilance and confirmation...they rarely do sleeper jobs in hostile territories. they rarely give up their position and identity...they seek out target and relay info...how do you think Israel found out about the tunnels and where the rockets are being fired? they don't operate the way you hope they do....

 

[richaceg]

No. You're the one who's rambling after you were exposed for making shit up and then moving the goal posts.

You got nothing at all...such empty words...not even worthy of an ignore...keep me amused...

 

[richaceg]

 

[versitile1]

You got nothing at all...such empty words...not even worthy of an ignore...keep me amused...

Sure, richatroll. Keep making shit up, then start rambling and moving goalposts when exposed.

Covert Ops don't operate on Hostile territories. They usually operate on Neutral territories...

You're watching too much movies...Covert ops does the investigation, surveilance and confirmation...they rarely do sleeper jobs in hostile territories. they rarely give up their position and identity...they seek out target and relay info...how do you think Israel found out about the tunnels and where the rockets are being fired? they don't operate the way you hope they do....

 

[shack]

Anyone, who isn't nuts would denounce both Hamas and the Zionists aka, Bibi and his ilk who make up a majority of Israel. But you need to call out BOTH, not just one.

What do you think of frank's assessment of what's going on? I know you are both, pretty much, on the same side but he claims to call out both, but he never ever will say a particular thing that Hamas did that was wrong.

He is determined to never admit that the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas was an act of terrorism.

He says both sides should be taken to the Hague. He can cite a dozen specific acts as reasons why Israel should be tried but refuses to cite any reasons why Hamas should go.

Does he actually call out both sides with his broad and sweeping, yet ambiguous statements of accusing both sides, or is he being disingenuous because he refuses to back up those those statements of why he thinks Hamas should be tried the same way he backs up why Israel should be tried?

 

[Dutch Oven]

No. This is the exact same approach, Israel has taken every single time. What are you even talking about? It is the same thing every time - Hamas attacks, Israel carpet bombs, rinse and repeat.

Israel has never entered Gaza before with the mission of completely removing Hamas infrastructure and personnel. That's what needs to be done. Just like the Allies had to bomb German manufacturing and defense infrastructure and STILL the Germans did not surrender until the Allies reached Berlin, Hitler was dead, and the bombs had been dropped in Japan. Your take on the history of this conflict is just fundamentally wrong.

Go read what the UN definition of war crimes is. DM also defined it in this thread and explained it. Israel is carpet bombing civilian buildings, and razing Gaza to the ground and killing civilians in the process, hoping some of them may be Hamas. If the value of the military objective achieved, does not exceed the value of human lives lost, then it is a war crime. If Israel bombs a refugee camp, killing 100s of civilians and ends up killing 1 Hamas commander, like they did a week ago, then yes, that is a war crime. Not as defined by me. But as defined by international law.

Yes, I've read the conventions that apply. You are simply misapplying them, and at the same time you don't seem to understand or acknowledge: a) the actual characterization of the bombings, or b) the valid military objectives of the Israelis. It is Hamas who are unnecessarily endangering civilians by using them as human shields. And you would have that immoral and illegal tactic be effective!

The diplomacy should be with the PA, not with Hamas. Replacing Hamas can be done in other ways, other than carpet bombing Gaza.

The Israelis are not carpet bombing Gaza. If they were, the entire Gaza strip would already be rubble. Hamas will not surrender based on any peace deal reached with PA. Hamas must be removed first. The PA has not been able to do it on their own. This is a war against Hamas, not the people of Gaza or those who would see the PA as their government.

Right wingers in the west, do not care about Hamas. Nor are they particularly interested in differentiating Muslim civilians from extremist groups. They basically consider every single Muslim as a terrorist, which amounts to racism. There is plenty of evidence for it on this thread.

Save your brainless and incorrect speculation for the idiots who can be convinced of it. Hamas commits terrorism. There is no difficulty in thereby defining them as a terrorist organization.

 

[richaceg]

Yes, it is always acknowledged that violence has been on both sides pre-1948. The debate is about post-1948, Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, which has led to apartheid and racism.

Israel was not a justified creation. The Balfour declaration was made by UK - a colonial power, who took land that did not belong to them, and gave it to a people who did not live there for the most part, without consulting the actual people living there. It was a classic case of colonial paper partition.

Boris Johnson, the former PM of the UK said this about the Balfour declaration: “bizarre”, “tragically incoherent” and “an exquisite piece of Foreign Office fudgerama” . He further went on to say - “Another way of putting it might be that the British government viewed with favor the eating of a piece of cake by the Jewish people, provided that nothing should be done to prejudice the rights of non-Jewish communities to eat the same piece of cake at the same time”.

However, today, it is a legitimate state. The same way Canada and the US are. Canada and the US were also colonial endeavours. However enough time has passed, and people have developed an identity, that these are legitimate states. Same as Israel.

Also watch this:

But it wasn't...the Balfour doesn't only give land to Jews (Israel) the was also Transjordan (jordan). Again the convenience of "Colonial power" who took land that doesn't belong to them....that's what Colonial powers do...Spain did it, Portugal did it, France did it and England did it...is it right? hell no... Should we start removing Jews in Israel now? because having a "democracy" where Majority would be Muslims will be the cleansing of Jews in the Middle East....let's not pretend that's not gonna happen....

 

[DinkleMouse]

Covert Ops don't operate on Hostile territories. They usually operate on Neutral territories...

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[DinkleMouse]

You're watching too much movies...Covert ops does the investigation, surveilance and confirmation...they rarely do sleeper jobs in hostile territories. they rarely give up their position and identity...they seek out target and relay info...how do you think Israel found out about the tunnels and where the rockets are being fired? they don't operate the way you hope they do....

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[richaceg]

Wasn't what? The British did not have a right to give land that did not belong to them, to anyone.

Obviously they had...When they defeated the Ottoman Empire...they made the deal with both Jews & Arabs (how cunning) the promise of state...Jews accepted...Arabs didn't....that's where the conflict started...Should there be a state for the jews and arabs....there should...and now we're here...

 

[DinkleMouse]

Israel am not sure how the ICC will be able to do anything, since Israel is not even a signatory to the ICC.

The ICC has authority for war crimes committed either by signatories of the Rome Statute or on territory of signatories of the Rome Statute. The State of Palestine is a signatory member. The ICC has had an open investigation into Israel since last year.

Anyone indicted by the ICC is subject to arrest by law enforcement anytime they are on the territory of a signatory.

 

[DinkleMouse]

Status quo is not great but it beats the elimination of israel

Israel hasn't been in danger of being eliminated since 1973, and it was never in danger of being eliminated by Hamas.

 

[richaceg]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I don't know if you do...Israeli Covert ops don't drop their agents in hostile territories...that's not how they operate...

 

[shack]

over 10k killed in Gaza, what a disgrace

Why did Hamas put so many Gazans directly in harm's way?

Good of you to call them out.

 

[richaceg]

They are still a colonial power. Colonial powers colonize lands that dont belong to them. Being cunning, manipulative or promising land to someone else etc., does not take away from the fact that they are engaging in colonial paper partition.

I don't disagree with Colonial powers colonizing and giving away land. but if you're gonna accept things the way they have been placed 100 years ago...you can't back track to it now...Jews and Arabs have existed in the Middle east...If you won't recognize Israel, you shouldn't recognize Jordan....and what will happen?

 

[DinkleMouse]

I don't know if you do...Israeli Covert ops don't drop their agents in hostile territories...that's not how they operate...

So is it Special Ops who don't operate in hostile territory, or just Israeli Special Ops who don't? Because the Israeli part is a new addition to your claim and I'd like clarification before I reply.

 

[mitchell76]

The ICC has authority for war crimes committed either by signatories of the Rome Statute or on territory of signatories of the Rome Statute. The State of Palestine is a signatory member. The ICC has had an open investigation into Israel since last year.

Anyone indicted by the ICC is subject to arrest by law enforcement anytime they are on the territory of a signatory.

Let this loser ICC go and arrest Israeli citizens. I'm sure Israel is terrified of the ICC.....LMAO

ICC seems like a loser organization to me!!

| International Criminal Court

The International Criminal Court (ICC) investigates and, where warranted, tries individuals charged with the gravest crimes of concern to the international community: genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and the crime of aggression.//La Cour pénale internationale (CPI) mène des enquêtes...

www.icc-cpi.int

 

[richaceg]

So is it Special Ops who don't operate in hostile territory, or just Israeli Special Ops who don't? Because the Israeli part is a new addition to your claim and I'd like clarification before I reply.

How effective is the Covert ops going to be in Gaza? that's pretty much the beginning of this topic.

 

[mitchell76]

Israel hasn't been in danger of being eliminated since 1973, and it was never in danger of being eliminated by Hamas.

Well, Israel's still around, and it's now 2023-----LMAO Hamas has been a constant threat to Israel, since Israel's inception in 1948!! Israel has been in constant danger of being eliminated since 1948!!

 

[richaceg]

I recognize Israel. I am saying at the time of the Balfour declaration, it wasn't fair to the Arabs. But as I said earlier, those things are in the past. Today Israel is a legitimate state. Enough time has passed anyway.

How was it not fair for the Arabs? They got Jordan, Gaza & West Bank....Israel got the swamps...If the Arabs, Egypt, Syria didn't attack Palestinians wouldn't have been displaced...