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Phil C. McNasty said:
If you believe that to be true, then Hamas are no better than the Israelis.

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I was hoping you would respond that way.

Not in the least. Israel has been doing this in staggering numbers and for 50 plus years. In recognized violations of the Geneva Convention.
The Palestinians are fighting for their freedom. Israel is simply attempting to steal land, practice apartheid and achieve Jewish supremacy.
 
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richaceg said:
Keep up with the bullshit....Hamas did this to palestinians....
If you gonna keep crying about apartheid....
www.worldjewishcongress.org

The expulsion of Jews from Arab countries and Iran – an untold history - World Jewish Congress

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From the article.

For over 2,500 years, Jews lived continuously in North Africa, the Middle East and the Gulf region the first Jewish population had already settled there at least 1,000 years before the advent of Islam.

Throughout the generations, Jews in the region were often subjected to various forms of discrimination -- and in many cases, ranked lower on the status of society than their Muslim compatriots -- but they were nevertheless loyal citizens who contributed significantly to the culture and development of their respective countries.

Despite the positive influence that Jews brought to the places where they lived, more than 850,000 Jews were forced to leave their homes in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Morocco, and several other Arab countries in the 20 years that followed the Arab-Israeli war of 1948. Another major forced migration took place from Iran in 1979–80, following the Iranian Revolution and the collapse of the shah’s regime, adding 70,000 more Jewish refugees to this number.

So when people talk about the indigenous people in the area, they are actually talking about the Jews.
 
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Kautilya said:
So are you justifying collective punishment? That is a war crime.

The Gazans aren't an "empowered" people to make an informed choice in "elections". It is sort of like saying Putin is a democratically elected leader.
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Please don't try to use reason, you'll only hurt yourself!

I am not advocating the targeting of civilians in war. That's CLEARLY not what I said. I am saying that civilians will be among the casualties, and that civilians bear some responsibility for this war, and thus, the casualties.

Also, the Russian people ARE capable of removing their leaders, democratically or not. They have done so before. All it would take is a new leader to organize them. So, yes, the Russian people also share responsibility for the actions of Putin, and if war were to visit Russian soil, civilian casualties would be partly the responsibility of Russian citizens.
 
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Phil C. McNasty said:
And they do so by killing innocent civilians.

Sounds like you approve of it
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No comparison. Multiple charts have been published in thread on the disparity in civilian deaths. Israel slaughters Palestinians in huge numbers. Palestinians don’t even come close.

If you want to go on, you can. But trying to argue that Israel doesn’t murder huge numbers of Palestinians compared to the other way around is like putting a “Kick Me” sign on your back.
 
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Klatuu said:
No comparison. Multiple charts have been published in thread on the disparity in civilian deaths. Israel slaughters Palestinians in huge numbers. Palestinians don’t even come close.

If you want to go on, you can. But trying to argue that Israel doesn’t murder huge numbers of Palestinians compared to the other way around is like putting a “Kick Me” sign on your back
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The difference is Israel at least makes an effort to avoid civilian deaths.
Hamas intentionally kills civilians (and possibly little babies as well until we see the video)
 
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Dutch Oven said:
Please don't try to use reason, you'll only hurt yourself!

I am not advocating the targeting of civilians in war. That's CLEARLY not what I said. I am saying that civilians will be among the casualties, and that civilians bear some responsibility for this war, and thus, the casualties.

Also, the Russian people ARE capable of removing their leaders, democratically or not. They have done so before. All it would take is a new leader to organize them. So, yes, the Russian people also share responsibility for the actions of Putin, and if war were to visit Russian soil, civilian casualties would be partly the responsibility of Russian citizens.
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The residents of Gaza have no more sway over Hamas than an average Mexican has over the cartel in his community who threatens his and his family's life if he doesn't keep his head down.
 
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ric [QUOTE="Phil C. McNasty said:
The difference is Israel at least makes an effort to avoid civilian deaths.
Hamas intentionally kills civilians (and possibly little babies as well until we see the video)
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No. The numbers prove otherwise. Ethnic cleansing and apartheid are by definition directed at Palestinian civilians. Palestinian civilians have been routinely killed for 50 plus years.
 
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dirtyharry555 said:
The residents of Gaza have no more sway over Hamas than an average Mexican has over the cartel in his community who threatens his and his family's life if he doesn't keep his head down.
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Wrong. An INDIVIDUAL can't bring down a government (or a cartel) on his own but a large group of citizens certainly can. All that is required is leadership.
 
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Dutch Oven said:
Wrong. An INDIVIDUAL can't bring down a government (or a cartel) on his own but a large group of citizens certainly can. All that is required is leadership.
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Much easier said than done, especially if there is an external government supporting the organization, and some citizens are sympathetic to it insofar as they have anybody else defending their geopolitical interests.
 
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