Israel killed 2000 children so far.
Amazing that you are celebrating this and calling anyone else out.
Israel at war
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Amazing that you are celebrating this and calling anyone else out.
You do realize with universal healthcare comes education on better heath outcomes right? I would add I would re institute better fitness guidelines in schools, along with better education on it. And I would ban smoking outright.
Most people do make better choices.
That's the 1988 version, not the current one.
Stop being so dishonest in your posting.
The current charter is less violent than the Likud charter, it says they'd accept a two state solution while Likud calls for all of 'eretz Israel'.
You think the above is on the fringe?
The Crunchy-to-Alt-Right Pipeline
Those living on the fringe of the left and the right share more in common than you might think.www.theatlantic.com
I see you, B1000.
Your lies are pathetically disgusting. Show me a single post of anyone here celebrating the deaths of Gazan children.
In the mean time, I can find a whole bunch of posts by you trying to justify the Hamas attack on Israeli civilians
The recent document was not a new charter. Hams is clear about that (not that you care what Palestinians say)
Not your link. I didn't even bother. My post. Are those things on the fringe?
I've read the Geneva law.
Only if you can prove intent to starve civilians.
If you cant prove intent to starve civilians beyond militants, you have no case
Doesnt matter what a few Israeli politicians have openly espoused, only thing that matters when Gaza gets a giant can of whoopass thrown upon them. Then we shall see what was espoused, and what wasnt espoused
Only if you starve innocent Palestinians, and if you do it properly, you will do no such thing
Got it.
Pro war crime.
You're already on the record that all Hamas fighters who surrender should be executed.
How savage are the crimes you feel Israel should go for here?
Are you with the "bounce the rubble" crowd?
Full extermination of every Palestinian male over 13 in the region, just to be safe?
I'm sure Hamas appreciates the support from Mr. Trudeau....
Agreed. While I support the humanitarian aid to the innocents in Gaza, how will it be possible to keep it out of the hands of Hamas?
From NBCNews.com
"Qatar's strategy: Convince Hamas that freeing hostages is the only way to avert all-out war
Story by Keir Simmons and Chantal Da Silva • 5h
Qatar played a central role in securing the surprise release Friday of an American mother and daughter held hostage by Hamas. Now that Judith Raanan and her daughter, Natalie, are free, negotiators in Qatar hope that the release of more captives by Hamas “could lead to wider dialogue or mediation,” aimed at averting a full-scale war, a diplomat with knowledge of the talks told NBC News on Saturday.
There were “ups and downs” during the discussions, said the diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk publicly. Ultimately the American mother and daughter walked free because negotiators were able to convince Hamas that the unconditional release of two hostages could serve as a confidence building measure.
After the release of the two women, President Joe Biden thanked “the government of Qatar and the government of Israel for their partnership in this work,” in a statement.
Mamoun Fandy, the president of the London Global Strategy Institute, a think tank based in the British capital, said the successful hostage negotiation with Hamas allowed Qatar to show it is “the hub of diplomacy in this crisis.”
The freeing of the two Americans is the latest in a series of diplomatic initiatives by the small, oil-rich Persian Gulf state. Qatar recently helped negotiate a prisoner exchange between the US and Iran, as well the release of four Ukrainian children from Russia.
It also hosted peace talks with the Taliban before the American withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021. But Qatar’s history of sheltering Hamas’ political leaders could complicate its effort to present itself to Israel as a mediator.
Judith and Natalie Raanan had been staying on a kibbutz called Nahal Oz, in southern Israel, before they were captured by Hamas in its massive terrorist attack on Oct. 7. After 13 days in captivity, the pair were greeted at the Gaza border on Friday by Israeli Brig. Gen. Gal Hirsch and taken to a military base where they were reunited with relatives.
The diplomat said that negotiators are now hopeful that if more hostages are freed, it could clear a path to wider talks about getting humanitarian aid into Gaza, home to 2 million Palestinians. They also hope that it sets the conditions for broader talks that could limit the Israeli military operation in Gaza to one that targets Hamas' leadership and averts a full Israeli occupation of the coastal strip.
The diplomat said that Qatar has been urging Hamas to free its hostages. “The Israelis have been clear they are not willing to talk until all the hostages are released. So it may be better for Hamas to release them faster because that may lead to wider dialogue or mediation."
But Eldad Shavit, a senior researcher at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv, cautioned that the release of the two hostages was “probably a manipulation” by Hamas.
“My assumption is that Hamas is conducting a military operation and also a political campaign,” said Shavit, who has served senior roles in Israeli defense intelligence and the prime minister’s office. He added that he thought Hamas was hoping to put pressure on both the international community and Israel "not to proceed with plans, military plans.”
Whether that will be possible is doubtful, according to Michael Horowitz, the head of intelligence at Le Beck International, a security and risk management consultancy. Many Israelis, given the killing of more than 1,000 civilians by Hamas in the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks, will argue that a full-scale ground invasion that ends with the complete destruction of Hamas is the only acceptable outcome.
While Qatar was “proving to be a key ally of the U.S. and fending off criticism related to their decision to keep hosting senior Hamas leaders,” Horowitz said the images and testimonies of the attack were too fresh in the memories of Israelis.
“The best shot everyone has to lower the flames is to push for two parallel tracks, namely the release of hostages on one hand, and on the other the entry of much-needed humanitarian aid in Gaza,” Horowitz said. “This is a sensible strategy, though I would say the chances of avoiding some form of Israeli incursion are still low.”
This article was originally published on NBCNews.com"
"Qatar's strategy: Convince Hamas that freeing hostages is the only way to avert all-out war
Story by Keir Simmons and Chantal Da Silva • 5h
Qatar played a central role in securing the surprise release Friday of an American mother and daughter held hostage by Hamas. Now that Judith Raanan and her daughter, Natalie, are free, negotiators in Qatar hope that the release of more captives by Hamas “could lead to wider dialogue or mediation,” aimed at averting a full-scale war, a diplomat with knowledge of the talks told NBC News on Saturday.
There were “ups and downs” during the discussions, said the diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk publicly. Ultimately the American mother and daughter walked free because negotiators were able to convince Hamas that the unconditional release of two hostages could serve as a confidence building measure.
After the release of the two women, President Joe Biden thanked “the government of Qatar and the government of Israel for their partnership in this work,” in a statement.
Mamoun Fandy, the president of the London Global Strategy Institute, a think tank based in the British capital, said the successful hostage negotiation with Hamas allowed Qatar to show it is “the hub of diplomacy in this crisis.”
The freeing of the two Americans is the latest in a series of diplomatic initiatives by the small, oil-rich Persian Gulf state. Qatar recently helped negotiate a prisoner exchange between the US and Iran, as well the release of four Ukrainian children from Russia.
It also hosted peace talks with the Taliban before the American withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021. But Qatar’s history of sheltering Hamas’ political leaders could complicate its effort to present itself to Israel as a mediator.
Judith and Natalie Raanan had been staying on a kibbutz called Nahal Oz, in southern Israel, before they were captured by Hamas in its massive terrorist attack on Oct. 7. After 13 days in captivity, the pair were greeted at the Gaza border on Friday by Israeli Brig. Gen. Gal Hirsch and taken to a military base where they were reunited with relatives.
The diplomat said that negotiators are now hopeful that if more hostages are freed, it could clear a path to wider talks about getting humanitarian aid into Gaza, home to 2 million Palestinians. They also hope that it sets the conditions for broader talks that could limit the Israeli military operation in Gaza to one that targets Hamas' leadership and averts a full Israeli occupation of the coastal strip.
The diplomat said that Qatar has been urging Hamas to free its hostages. “The Israelis have been clear they are not willing to talk until all the hostages are released. So it may be better for Hamas to release them faster because that may lead to wider dialogue or mediation."
But Eldad Shavit, a senior researcher at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv, cautioned that the release of the two hostages was “probably a manipulation” by Hamas.
“My assumption is that Hamas is conducting a military operation and also a political campaign,” said Shavit, who has served senior roles in Israeli defense intelligence and the prime minister’s office. He added that he thought Hamas was hoping to put pressure on both the international community and Israel "not to proceed with plans, military plans.”
Whether that will be possible is doubtful, according to Michael Horowitz, the head of intelligence at Le Beck International, a security and risk management consultancy. Many Israelis, given the killing of more than 1,000 civilians by Hamas in the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks, will argue that a full-scale ground invasion that ends with the complete destruction of Hamas is the only acceptable outcome.
While Qatar was “proving to be a key ally of the U.S. and fending off criticism related to their decision to keep hosting senior Hamas leaders,” Horowitz said the images and testimonies of the attack were too fresh in the memories of Israelis.
“The best shot everyone has to lower the flames is to push for two parallel tracks, namely the release of hostages on one hand, and on the other the entry of much-needed humanitarian aid in Gaza,” Horowitz said. “This is a sensible strategy, though I would say the chances of avoiding some form of Israeli incursion are still low.”
This article was originally published on NBCNews.com"
