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Israel at war

dirtyharry555

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You are forgetting the fundamental Israeli and Palestinian argument, that the other does not deserve to exist. This is a major Hamas ideology. This is also a major Israeli ideology - atleast Bibi who has a "no Palestinian statehood" platform.
There are people in Canada that don't believe Quebec should exist. But they do and are permitted to, and everyone is better off for it. Hostilities may always exist, but they're acted on differently because everyone understands that the alternative is worse.

The new leadership I spoke about means people like Bibi need to go. If he does, and a two state solution is introduced, Hamas' leverage significantly declines.

I posted several videos on another thread called the Ask Project. Give them a watch and you will see how Palestinians are still divided - many say Israel is an illusion, and some want peace. So given that you can see why Hamas enjoys support. Fundamentally the Palestinians seem to feel that the Hamas is the only one standing up for them, while Israel and the US are colluding to further oppress them. One guy in one video says he hates the US more than he hates Israel - and given how the US has now added Israel to their visa waiver program, are you even surprised? Where is the same compassion for the Palestinians who are suffering?
Precisely... you've illustrated why Hamas enjoys support as nobody else can be seen fighting on behalf of the oppressed in the region.

Again, a two state solution resolves most of the issues raised here.


Same with Israelis some of whom even go on to argue that it is the Palestinians that are occupying them and how they should all just go away to "their countries" - Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt etc., Many of these settlers talk about how they believe in collective punishment and justify attacking and killing Palestinians in retaliation, burning their homes and fields etc., Many even consider Arab Israelis 2nd class citizens.
That can all be overcome, but not via small piecemeal efforts. Bring in a two state resolution and watch how things quickly change for the better.


These 2 groups of people are fundamentally racist towards each other, and absolutely do not trust each other. Each want the other gone.
So what? They have to work within the confines of international law. Neither has the power to do anything without the support of other countries. If Israel wasn't funded by the US, it would be a basket case of a nation.

MAD - mutually assured destruction can be applied here not just in a military sense, but an economic one.

Get along and you will be supported. Start shit and pay a huge price. With sovereignty comes great responsibility.

So solving this in 48 hours? Lol. In another 48 years, it is still going to be difficult. IMO.
48 hours maximum is all that it would take.

Nobody has the will to make the adjustments.

And the belief that religious and racial tensions cannot be managed under a new paradigm, is entirely wrong.
 
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Not getting younger

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Calling terrorists animals is fine.

You called Arabs sick and you called them animals. That is some racist BS. Why don't you tone your language down instead of accusing me of belittling someone, which am not.
Utter BS, back Pedalling. Projection of one of the worst things imo, you can call someone. Quote me, quote the words where I said Arabs are. When you can’t FO

 

Not getting younger

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Here you go.
ah yes, good old lack of basic comprehension and context. So ironic. Quote the whole post he who mocks people like Trump but sees only what he want to see (racism behind every closet)

Oblivious to some facts. Like the above. Whether Hamas, Hezbollah, IJ, ISIS, Al Qaida etc

1) Arabs don’t want peace ( some do, even a lot do…nowhere near enough). Proven by repeated rejecting, peace

2) Are sick animals, that unlike Israel don’t give warnings.

3) are sick, and don’tvalue human life, and dignity so much they stack their dead for photo ops. Unlike Israel

4) Hide behind and amongst their own women and children as human shields ( such a nice term that) knowing that, they will pay the price.

5) behead people video tape it, and play it on social media. Unlike Israel and civilized soceity.
Want to triple down?
Now it’s my turn and like Trump and you.
/“golf clap”
 

Phil C. McNasty

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2) Are sick animals, that unlike Israel don’t give warnings.

3) are sick, and don’t value human life, and dignity so much they stack their dead for photo ops. Unlike Israel
#2 and #3 he is clearly talking about Hamas though, because thats exactly what they've been doing
(not giving advanced warnings, and having dead people photo-ops)
 

Anbarandy

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ah yes, good old lack of basic comprehension and context. So ironic. Quote the whole post he who mocks people like Trump but sees only what he want to see (racism behind every closet)



Want to triple down?
Now it’s my turn and like Trump and you.
/“golf clap”
(y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y)

You nailed his Modi neo-fascioned, Indian ultra-nationalist ass to the wall.
 

Not getting younger

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I quoted your post as asked. Are you doubling down on your assertion that you did not generalize Arabs?
Poster boy for Trump. Why are you ignoring that..

Read the post. What part of first identifying terrorist groups are you willfully omitting….ignoring.

What part of the words “Arabs don’t want peace”
(Some do, even a lot)

Are you willfully ignoring in your weak attempts to dig yourself out?
 

Anbarandy

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Poster boy for Trump. Why are you ignoring that..

Read the post. What part of first identifying terrorist groups are you willfully omitting….ignoring.

What part of the words “Arabs don’t want peace”
(Some do, even a lot)

Are you willfully ignoring in your weak attempts to dig yourself out?
Like his beloved Modi neo-fascioned, Indian ultra-nationalist government and state, he reads only what he wants to read and when you challenge him, he, like his unimpeachable universe leading, Modi neo-fascioned, Indian ultra-nationalist gov't and state, throws legendary hissy fits that echo through the universe and knock planets off their orbits, and stars to collapse into black holes.

It's ingrained, in the genes now. He is who we thought he was.

Hissy fits on the molecular level.
 
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Not getting younger

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"Arabs dont want peace" - is a statement that generalizes Arabs. It does not specifically identify terrorist groups.
More trying to dig his sorry ass out. Again poster boy for Trump mocking people.

What part of first identifying specific, Arab terrorist groups are you willfully ignoring.
 

Anbarandy

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Indian nationalism has nothing to do with this. You are the uber liberal, you should be against things like racism which was clear in NYG's posts.
Mute your DNA and genes and try to absorb the words and their sequence of the post in question.

Attempt to stifle the hissy fits, please.
 

toguy5252

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So labeling all Pro Palestinians as terrorist and blaming it on a bug is the new agenda on social media. Like I said main stream media is one sided and full of non-sense with this whole war.

https://www.rt.com/news/585417-instagram-palestinian-bio-terrorists/

Meta announced last week that it had removed almost 800,000 “disturbing” posts related to the Israel-Hamas war, including images of graphic violence and posts glorifying or supporting Hamas. However, some Instagram users complained that legitimate pro-Palestinian content was being demoted or “shadow-banned” by the platform’s algorithm.
you conveniently conflate pro-Palestinian with hamas. Israel and the U.S. have made it clear that this is a war against hamas and not the Palestinians. As difficult as it it for you klatuu et al to criticize hamas is should be easy to condemn hamas while expressing support for Palestinians.
 

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You are forgetting the fundamental Israeli and Palestinian argument, that the other does not deserve to exist.
No, Hamas in 2007 said they'd accept the two state deal.
Meanwhile Israel wiped Palestine off the map and you think its fine.
 

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you conveniently conflate pro-Palestinian with hamas. Israel and the U.S. have made it clear that this is a war against hamas and not the Palestinians. As difficult as it it for you klatuu et al to criticize hamas is should be easy to condemn hamas while expressing support for Palestinians.
Every Israeli supporter conflates Palestinians with Hamas.
Otherwise they'd be disgusted that they are mostly just killing women, children and the elderly.

Genocide is only acceptable once you call them 'human animals'.
 

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They are not Arab terrorist groups. They are multi-ethnic. There is no reason to mention Arab when referring to those terrorist groups.

How about trying to say - "ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah are animals" instead of saying "Arabs are animals, sick etc"?
Keep trying to dig yourself out poster boy. Ironically you’re digging the hole deeper now..gas lighting too orange man
 

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Keep trying to dig yourself out poster boy. Ironically you’re digging the hole deeper now..gas lighting too orange man
You would actually learn something if you did research and fact gathering but you keep embarassing yourself with lack of knowledge to this subject. Same guy that compared Vietnamese to current Palestinians. That alone warrants ignore list.
 
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Dragon77

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you conveniently conflate pro-Palestinian with hamas. Israel and the U.S. have made it clear that this is a war against hamas and not the Palestinians. As difficult as it it for you klatuu et al to criticize hamas is should be easy to condemn hamas while expressing support for Palestinians.
You conveniently reject that many civilians are stuck in this war and are getting killed with zero course of action to get them out of harms way. You clearly didn't watch video or click on article I attached. If you did you would understand what's happening here.

As difficult it is for you to understand the same script for taliban is being used with hamas where hundreds of thousands of people are at risk with their lives. The evacuation and refugee status for Israelis is illustration of inequality for human lives.
 
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toguy5252

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You conveniently reject that many civilians are stuck in this war and are getting killed with zero course of action to get them out of harms way. You clearly didn't watch video or click on article I attached. If you did you would understand what's happening here.

As difficult it is for you to understand the same script for taliban is being used with hamas where hundreds of thousands of people are at risk with their lives. The evacuation and refugee status for Israelis is illustration of inequality for human lives.
i do not reject that al all. I lament to death of any civilians and the Palestinians in Gaza are in a terrible and untenable position. But it was hamas who created that situation and it is up to Israel to put an end to the contsatnt threats and the recent barbarism.

the warning to leave was a sign of respect for life as opposed to hamas who were encouraging people to stay and interfering with people trying to leave because they thrive on death.
 
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