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You are forgetting the fundamental Israeli and Palestinian argument, that the other does not deserve to exist. This is a major Hamas ideology. This is also a major Israeli ideology - atleast Bibi who has a "no Palestinian statehood" platform.

I posted several videos on another thread called the Ask Project. Give them a watch and you will see how Palestinians are still divided - many say Israel is an illusion, and some want peace. So given that you can see why Hamas enjoys support. Fundamentally the Palestinians seem to feel that the Hamas is the only one standing up for them, while Israel and the US are colluding to further oppress them. One guy in one video says he hates the US more than he hates Israel - and given how the US has now added Israel to their visa waiver program, are you even surprised? Where is the same compassion for the Palestinians who are suffering?

Same with Israelis some of whom even go on to argue that it is the Palestinians that are occupying them and how they should all just go away to "their countries" - Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt etc., Many of these settlers talk about how they believe in collective punishment and justify attacking and killing Palestinians in retaliation, burning their homes and fields etc., Many even consider Arab Israelis 2nd class citizens.

These 2 groups of people are fundamentally racist towards each other, and absolutely do not trust each other. Each want the other gone.

So solving this in 48 hours? Lol. In another 48 years, it is still going to be difficult. IMO
I say just let the 2 sides fight it out, and the winner gets to keep all the land
 

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Barbaric animals burning children and people alive

Hamas torture confirmed as Israeli forensics institute identifies victims

Forensic pathologists, including Israeli staffers as well as volunteers from abroad, were visibly disturbed by the evidence before them.


Stifling the urge to retch became a difficult task as I walked through the lower levels of Israel’s National Center of Forensic Medicine (Abu Kabir) in Tel Aviv. The smell of rotting human remains, much of which was completely unrecognizable as human due to the brutality of the attack, was at times too much to bear.


For more stories from The Media Line go to themedialine.org
In light of the growing international interest in (and denials of) the Palestinian terror group Hamas’ October 7 massacre in southern Israel, representatives of the global press were invited to see the horrors for themselves.

Forensic pathologists, including Israeli staffers as well as volunteers from abroad, were visibly disturbed by the evidence before them. Despite every effort to remain objective and detached—as called for by the profession—many broke down into tears throughout the day.

During the initial press conference, the forensics team showed images from their investigations. Among the images were those of charred hands with marks that revealed where the victims’ hands were bound behind their backs with metal wire before being burned alive.

Perhaps the most disturbing image in the slideshow was a completely charred mass of flesh, which at first glance could not be seen as ever having belonged to a human. It was only after a CT scan was done that experts could see the inhumanity of the image.

Two spinal cords—one belonging to an adult, one to someone young—a parent and child bound together by metal wires in a final embrace before being set alight.

“When you do this job downstairs, you get detached,” Dr. Chen Kugel, the head of Abu Kabir, told The Media Line. “But then you learn the stories and connect to the people. It’s hard not to feel the tragedy. It’s so big. And when I go to the Shura camp [where deceased bodies in Israel are first collected] and see containers like you’d see at the port—but they’re all full of bodies… And you hear the stories—that behind their charred bodies, something terrible happened—it’s very difficult. I’ve seen many things in my 31-year career, but the magnitude and the cruelty [here] is terrible,” Kugel added.

“The proportion of bodies we’ve received who are charred is high,” Kugel explained. “Many have gunshot wounds in their hands, showing they put their hands up to their faces in defense. Many were burned alive in their homes. … We know they were burned alive because there is soot in their trachea, their throats—meaning they were still breathing when set on fire.”

 
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Barbaric animals burning children and people alive

Hamas torture confirmed as Israeli forensics institute identifies victims

Forensic pathologists, including Israeli staffers as well as volunteers from abroad, were visibly disturbed by the evidence before them.


Stifling the urge to retch became a difficult task as I walked through the lower levels of Israel’s National Center of Forensic Medicine (Abu Kabir) in Tel Aviv. The smell of rotting human remains, much of which was completely unrecognizable as human due to the brutality of the attack, was at times too much to bear.


For more stories from The Media Line go to themedialine.org
In light of the growing international interest in (and denials of) the Palestinian terror group Hamas’ October 7 massacre in southern Israel, representatives of the global press were invited to see the horrors for themselves.

Forensic pathologists, including Israeli staffers as well as volunteers from abroad, were visibly disturbed by the evidence before them. Despite every effort to remain objective and detached—as called for by the profession—many broke down into tears throughout the day.

During the initial press conference, the forensics team showed images from their investigations. Among the images were those of charred hands with marks that revealed where the victims’ hands were bound behind their backs with metal wire before being burned alive.

Perhaps the most disturbing image in the slideshow was a completely charred mass of flesh, which at first glance could not be seen as ever having belonged to a human. It was only after a CT scan was done that experts could see the inhumanity of the image.

Two spinal cords—one belonging to an adult, one to someone young—a parent and child bound together by metal wires in a final embrace before being set alight.

“When you do this job downstairs, you get detached,” Dr. Chen Kugel, the head of Abu Kabir, told The Media Line. “But then you learn the stories and connect to the people. It’s hard not to feel the tragedy. It’s so big. And when I go to the Shura camp [where deceased bodies in Israel are first collected] and see containers like you’d see at the port—but they’re all full of bodies… And you hear the stories—that behind their charred bodies, something terrible happened—it’s very difficult. I’ve seen many things in my 31-year career, but the magnitude and the cruelty [here] is terrible,” Kugel added.

“The proportion of bodies we’ve received who are charred is high,” Kugel explained. “Many have gunshot wounds in their hands, showing they put their hands up to their faces in defense. Many were burned alive in their homes. … We know they were burned alive because there is soot in their trachea, their throats—meaning they were still breathing when set on fire.”

Not only unavoidable. Necessary to one degree or another. Some can and do and are obviously pointing fingers at Israel. “What aboutism”

Oblivious to some facts. Like the above. Whether Hamas, Hezbollah, IJ, ISIS, Al Qaida etc

1) Arabs don’t want peace ( some do, even a lot do…nowhere near enough). Proven by repeated rejecting, peace

2) Are sick animals, that unlike Israel don’t give warnings.

3) are sick, and don’tvalue human life, and dignity so much they stack their dead for photo ops. Unlike Israel

4) Hide behind and amongst their own women and children as human shields ( such a nice term that) knowing that, they will pay the price.

5) behead people video tape it, and play it on social media. Unlike Israel and civilized soceity.
 
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Barbaric animals burning children and people alive

Hamas torture confirmed as Israeli forensics institute identifies victims

Forensic pathologists, including Israeli staffers as well as volunteers from abroad, were visibly disturbed by the evidence before them.


Stifling the urge to retch became a difficult task as I walked through the lower levels of Israel’s National Center of Forensic Medicine (Abu Kabir) in Tel Aviv. The smell of rotting human remains, much of which was completely unrecognizable as human due to the brutality of the attack, was at times too much to bear.


For more stories from The Media Line go to themedialine.org
In light of the growing international interest in (and denials of) the Palestinian terror group Hamas’ October 7 massacre in southern Israel, representatives of the global press were invited to see the horrors for themselves.

Forensic pathologists, including Israeli staffers as well as volunteers from abroad, were visibly disturbed by the evidence before them. Despite every effort to remain objective and detached—as called for by the profession—many broke down into tears throughout the day.

During the initial press conference, the forensics team showed images from their investigations. Among the images were those of charred hands with marks that revealed where the victims’ hands were bound behind their backs with metal wire before being burned alive.

Perhaps the most disturbing image in the slideshow was a completely charred mass of flesh, which at first glance could not be seen as ever having belonged to a human. It was only after a CT scan was done that experts could see the inhumanity of the image.

Two spinal cords—one belonging to an adult, one to someone young—a parent and child bound together by metal wires in a final embrace before being set alight.

“When you do this job downstairs, you get detached,” Dr. Chen Kugel, the head of Abu Kabir, told The Media Line. “But then you learn the stories and connect to the people. It’s hard not to feel the tragedy. It’s so big. And when I go to the Shura camp [where deceased bodies in Israel are first collected] and see containers like you’d see at the port—but they’re all full of bodies… And you hear the stories—that behind their charred bodies, something terrible happened—it’s very difficult. I’ve seen many things in my 31-year career, but the magnitude and the cruelty [here] is terrible,” Kugel added.

“The proportion of bodies we’ve received who are charred is high,” Kugel explained. “Many have gunshot wounds in their hands, showing they put their hands up to their faces in defense. Many were burned alive in their homes. … We know they were burned alive because there is soot in their trachea, their throats—meaning they were still breathing when set on fire.”

Interesting that the Israelis never shout "Baruch Hashem" when attacking their enemies, whereas the Muslims often shout "Allahu Akbar". Both more or less mean "God is great" or "Thanks to God". But the Jews use it only for occasions of joy and thanks, where the Muslims also use it as a battle cry.

Islam, "the religion of peace"...
 
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You are engaged in reactionary racism, that you think will gain you approval and likes. Stop calling "Arabs", animals, sick etc., That is what the Nazis did with the Jews when they called them rats.

Once you dehumanize an ENTIRE demographic of people, the majority of whom are actually good and peaceful people, you can pretty much do anything, to them.

Check your own racism and ignorance before you comment.

If you want to use such language, at the very least, stop generalizing and mention a specific faction or a group - like the Hamas or ISIS - which would be agreeable. But saying shit like "Arabs dont want peace", or "Arabs are sick animals" etc., is unintelligent to put it mildly.
“FO Kautilya”.
I’m sick of you projecting such strong things on other people. Mostly because you yourself are. See trying to belittle people with Dyslexia, no differently than Trump did..

There are very good reasons civilized societies don’t accept terrorism/terrorist
 

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You are forgetting the fundamental Israeli and Palestinian argument, that the other does not deserve to exist. This is a major Hamas ideology. This is also a major Israeli ideology - atleast Bibi who has a "no Palestinian statehood" platform.
There are people in Canada that don't believe Quebec should exist. But they do and are permitted to, and everyone is better off for it. Hostilities may always exist, but they're acted on differently because everyone understands that the alternative is worse.

The new leadership I spoke about means people like Bibi need to go. If he does, and a two state solution is introduced, Hamas' leverage significantly declines.

I posted several videos on another thread called the Ask Project. Give them a watch and you will see how Palestinians are still divided - many say Israel is an illusion, and some want peace. So given that you can see why Hamas enjoys support. Fundamentally the Palestinians seem to feel that the Hamas is the only one standing up for them, while Israel and the US are colluding to further oppress them. One guy in one video says he hates the US more than he hates Israel - and given how the US has now added Israel to their visa waiver program, are you even surprised? Where is the same compassion for the Palestinians who are suffering?
Precisely... you've illustrated why Hamas enjoys support as nobody else can be seen fighting on behalf of the oppressed in the region.

Again, a two state solution resolves most of the issues raised here.


Same with Israelis some of whom even go on to argue that it is the Palestinians that are occupying them and how they should all just go away to "their countries" - Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt etc., Many of these settlers talk about how they believe in collective punishment and justify attacking and killing Palestinians in retaliation, burning their homes and fields etc., Many even consider Arab Israelis 2nd class citizens.
That can all be overcome, but not via small piecemeal efforts. Bring in a two state resolution and watch how things quickly change for the better.


These 2 groups of people are fundamentally racist towards each other, and absolutely do not trust each other. Each want the other gone.
So what? They have to work within the confines of international law. Neither has the power to do anything without the support of other countries. If Israel wasn't funded by the US, it would be a basket case of a nation.

MAD - mutually assured destruction can be applied here not just in a military sense, but an economic one.

Get along and you will be supported. Start shit and pay a huge price. With sovereignty comes great responsibility.

So solving this in 48 hours? Lol. In another 48 years, it is still going to be difficult. IMO.
48 hours maximum is all that it would take.

Nobody has the will to make the adjustments.

And the belief that religious and racial tensions cannot be managed under a new paradigm, is entirely wrong.
 
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Calling terrorists animals is fine.

You called Arabs sick and you called them animals. That is some racist BS. Why don't you tone your language down instead of accusing me of belittling someone, which am not.
Utter BS, back Pedalling. Projection of one of the worst things imo, you can call someone. Quote me, quote the words where I said Arabs are. When you can’t FO

 

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Here you go.
ah yes, good old lack of basic comprehension and context. So ironic. Quote the whole post he who mocks people like Trump but sees only what he want to see (racism behind every closet)

Oblivious to some facts. Like the above. Whether Hamas, Hezbollah, IJ, ISIS, Al Qaida etc

1) Arabs don’t want peace ( some do, even a lot do…nowhere near enough). Proven by repeated rejecting, peace

2) Are sick animals, that unlike Israel don’t give warnings.

3) are sick, and don’tvalue human life, and dignity so much they stack their dead for photo ops. Unlike Israel

4) Hide behind and amongst their own women and children as human shields ( such a nice term that) knowing that, they will pay the price.

5) behead people video tape it, and play it on social media. Unlike Israel and civilized soceity.
Want to triple down?
Now it’s my turn and like Trump and you.
/“golf clap”
 

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2) Are sick animals, that unlike Israel don’t give warnings.

3) are sick, and don’t value human life, and dignity so much they stack their dead for photo ops. Unlike Israel
#2 and #3 he is clearly talking about Hamas though, because thats exactly what they've been doing
(not giving advanced warnings, and having dead people photo-ops)
 

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ah yes, good old lack of basic comprehension and context. So ironic. Quote the whole post he who mocks people like Trump but sees only what he want to see (racism behind every closet)



Want to triple down?
Now it’s my turn and like Trump and you.
/“golf clap”
(y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y)

You nailed his Modi neo-fascioned, Indian ultra-nationalist ass to the wall.
 

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I quoted your post as asked. Are you doubling down on your assertion that you did not generalize Arabs?
Poster boy for Trump. Why are you ignoring that..

Read the post. What part of first identifying terrorist groups are you willfully omitting….ignoring.

What part of the words “Arabs don’t want peace”
(Some do, even a lot)

Are you willfully ignoring in your weak attempts to dig yourself out?
 

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Poster boy for Trump. Why are you ignoring that..

Read the post. What part of first identifying terrorist groups are you willfully omitting….ignoring.

What part of the words “Arabs don’t want peace”
(Some do, even a lot)

Are you willfully ignoring in your weak attempts to dig yourself out?
Like his beloved Modi neo-fascioned, Indian ultra-nationalist government and state, he reads only what he wants to read and when you challenge him, he, like his unimpeachable universe leading, Modi neo-fascioned, Indian ultra-nationalist gov't and state, throws legendary hissy fits that echo through the universe and knock planets off their orbits, and stars to collapse into black holes.

It's ingrained, in the genes now. He is who we thought he was.

Hissy fits on the molecular level.
 
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"Arabs dont want peace" - is a statement that generalizes Arabs. It does not specifically identify terrorist groups.
More trying to dig his sorry ass out. Again poster boy for Trump mocking people.

What part of first identifying specific, Arab terrorist groups are you willfully ignoring.
 

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Indian nationalism has nothing to do with this. You are the uber liberal, you should be against things like racism which was clear in NYG's posts.
Mute your DNA and genes and try to absorb the words and their sequence of the post in question.

Attempt to stifle the hissy fits, please.
 

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So labeling all Pro Palestinians as terrorist and blaming it on a bug is the new agenda on social media. Like I said main stream media is one sided and full of non-sense with this whole war.

https://www.rt.com/news/585417-instagram-palestinian-bio-terrorists/

Meta announced last week that it had removed almost 800,000 “disturbing” posts related to the Israel-Hamas war, including images of graphic violence and posts glorifying or supporting Hamas. However, some Instagram users complained that legitimate pro-Palestinian content was being demoted or “shadow-banned” by the platform’s algorithm.
you conveniently conflate pro-Palestinian with hamas. Israel and the U.S. have made it clear that this is a war against hamas and not the Palestinians. As difficult as it it for you klatuu et al to criticize hamas is should be easy to condemn hamas while expressing support for Palestinians.
 
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