Israel at war

[Frankfooter]

So it's ok if they suffer a lot more according to you and Hamas. Such compassion.

No, that's why I support sanctions and boycotts to end apartheid.
To end the suffering on both sides.

As if Hamas didn't know this when planning the attack.

They basically treated their own people like sheep being lead to the slaughter, while they hide in their tunnels. These are your heroes.

Its Israel that is pulling the trigger on those bombs and missiles.
They made the decision to bomb the shit out of one of the most populated places on earth, a giant prison filled with refugees.
They are turning a concentration camp into a death camp.
Israel.

Once again, deceptive one, I suggested nothing. I stated a historical fact with absolutely no commentary from me.

Once a sleaze, always a sleaze.

An Israeli MP suggests nuking Gaza and you won't even say that is wrong or you won't support it.
You really do support turning Gaza into a death camp.

'Never forget' wasn't supposed to mean 'do it to them first'.

 

[shack]

No, that's why I support sanctions and boycotts to end apartheid.
To end the suffering on both sides.

Its Israel that is pulling the trigger on those bombs and missiles.
They made the decision to bomb the shit out of one of the most populated places on earth, a giant prison filled with refugees.
They are turning a concentration camp into a death camp.
Israel.

An Israeli MP suggests nuking Gaza and you won't even say that is wrong or you won't support it.
You really do support turning Gaza into a death camp.

'Never forget' wasn't supposed to mean 'do it to them first'.

All your points have been addressed and kicked to the curb as rubbish. Hamas started this conflict and any Israeli action will have been caused by Hamas aggression. End of story. You are getting hammered in this thread.

 

[The Oracle]

All your points have been addressed and kicked to the curb as rubbish. Hamas started this conflict and any Israeli action will have been caused by Hamas aggression. End of story. You are getting hammered in this thread.

Once interview combatants now participants in civil discourse.

Amazing the way that the BBC and NYT won't call Hamas terrorists..

 

[Jubee]

Like the war, this thread will go on and on and will hit 325 pages before the New Year.......with nothing resolved.

 

[wigglee]

In which case it does not seem very prudent for Hamas to have initiated this aggression on Israeli civilians (over 1,000 killed so far).

They knew what the retaliation would be like, yet have no compunction in directly causing the deaths of (using your math) 20,000 Gazans. It sounds like they consider Gazan lives worthless other than to use their deaths as a propaganda tool.

You reap what you sow.

well it proves that Israelis feel one Isreali is worth 20 Palestinian lives.... what does that say about them?

 

[shack]

well it proves that Israelis feel one Isreali is worth 20 Palestinian lives.... what does that say about them?

Actually, that is what Hamas feels seeing as they knew exactly what Israel's response would be. They intentionally sacrificed their own people so they could kill some Jews. They don't give a fuck about the Gazans. They are just pawns to Hamas. And you and your buddies full well know it.

 

[Not getting younger]

Palestine is to Israel, what Israel is to the Mid East.

Basic Liberal and woke faulty logic on display throughout, and arguably one of the problems in the Mid East. Whether it’s the US thinking and trying to force the USs values ( foreign policy) on the Mid East.

Liberals think they can force their values on everyone. Including everyone getting along and singing kumbaya around campfires. Yes that would be nice.

The world will never work that way.

And as far as Israel is concerned. What happens to any lamb when it looks weak to a jackal or wolf. The same thing that is happening to the Ukraine?

 

[squeezer]

Palestine is to Israel, what Israel is to the Mid East.

Basic Liberal and woke faulty logic on display throughout, and arguably one of the problems in the Mid East. Whether it’s the US thinking and trying to force the USs values ( foreign policy) on the Mid East.

Liberals think they can force their values on everyone. Including everyone getting along and singing kumbaya around campfires. Yes that would be nice.

The world will never work that way.

And as far as Israel is concerned. What happens to any lamb when it looks weak to a jackal or wolf. The same thing that is happening to the Ukraine?

Yup, when Hamas decided to behead babies and kill innocent people celebrating they thought to themselves, fucking woke Liberal.

 

[Frankfooter]

All your points have been addressed and kicked to the curb as rubbish. Hamas started this conflict and any Israeli action will have been caused by Hamas aggression. End of story. You are getting hammered in this thread.

None of my points have been addressed.

There have been rounds of violence towards Gaza every 2 years or so for the last decade. The occupation is 54 years old. The blockade is 16 years old.
Gaza is a concentration camp. Now you suggest nuking it or killing so many Palestinians that they will cower in fear and live in a giant prison forever.

Palestinian UN envoy calls out 'genocidal' campaign against Palestinians as Israel threatens to cut off food, water and fuel to Gaza

Actually, that is what Hamas feels seeing as they knew exactly what Israel's response would be. They intentionally sacrificed their own people so they could kill some Jews. They don't give a fuck about the Gazans. They are just pawns to Hamas. And you and your buddies full well know it.

The wife beater's defence. They had it coming. They made me do it. They got angry and I couldn't control myself. They deserved it, they wanted to be hit.

Gaza is now a death camp.
No food, no water, no power, no escape and constant bombings.

Chemical weapons.
Israel-Palestine war: Reports of Israeli 'white phosphorus' use in Gaza

13 families wiped out in their homes, that's terrorism.
Israel-Palestine war: Families thought they were safe at home, they were wrong
At least 13 entire families have been killed across the besieged enclave as Israel strikes under darkness for a fourth consecutive night

 

[richaceg]

None of my points have been addressed.

There have been rounds of violence towards Gaza every 2 years or so for the last decade. The occupation is 54 years old. The blockade is 16 years old.
Gaza is a concentration camp. Now you suggest nuking it or killing so many Palestinians that they will cower in fear and live in a giant prison forever.

Palestinian UN envoy calls out 'genocidal' campaign against Palestinians as Israel threatens to cut off food, water and fuel to Gaza



The wife beater's defence. They had it coming. They made me do it. They got angry and I couldn't control myself. They deserved it, they wanted to be hit.

Gaza is now a death camp.
No food, no water, no power, no escape and constant bombings.

Chemical weapons.
Israel-Palestine war: Reports of Israeli 'white phosphorus' use in Gaza

13 families wiped out in their homes, that's terrorism.
Israel-Palestine war: Families thought they were safe at home, they were wrong
At least 13 entire families have been killed across the besieged enclave as Israel strikes under darkness for a fourth consecutive night

You echo what hamas always say Franky...Destroy Israel at all cost...even at the cost of eliminating palestinians....because that's the ultimate sacrifice.....die and go to heaven by eliminating Israel...
Do you even listen to yourself? Here's your words "send Israel & Hamas to the Hague"....that's you... You deem whole of Israel are terrorists like Hamas.... that's you.... @wigglee @Klatuu @Jubee ...do you support Franky's statements here? just want to know....

 

[Butler1000]

Visual aid to multi prong attacks occuring from Lebanon and Syria.

This is not going to be over soon.

 

[Frankfooter]

You echo what hamas always say Franky...Destroy Israel at all cost...even at the cost of eliminating palestinians....because that's the ultimate sacrifice.....die and go to heaven by eliminating Israel...
Do you even listen to yourself? Here's your words "send Israel & Hamas to the Hague"....that's you... You deem whole of Israel are terrorists like Hamas.... that's you.... @wigglee @Klatuu @Jubee ...do you support Franky's statements here? just want to know....

Ah yes, the hate speech where you accuse Palestinians of genocide while you turn Gaza into a death camp because they are the evil ones.

Then you accuse me of racism for suggesting both sides cease fire and both sides are held to the law. Where you say its racist to call Israel apartheid or even suggest that the 54 year old occupation might piss off the indigenous population just a tiny bit.

'Targeting civilians' is the definition of terrorism. For years and years Israel has targeted and killed more civilians than Hamas. So yes, if you think Hamas are terrorists so are Israelis. Unless of course you don't think Palestinians are humans who count or deserve basic human rights.

This is the hate speech from a Palestinian who lives in Gaza that makes you really afraid.

Liberation for us means dismantling the structures of Zionist settler colonialism and apartheid and addressing the inequalities and injustices it has inflicted on us, the indigenous population of Palestine, over the past 100 years.

Liberation for us aims to transform the relationship between Palestinians and Israelis into one based on total equality and justice. The settler society is expected to abandon all colonial privileges and display real willingness to accept responsibility for past crimes and injustices. The compromise that indigenous Palestinians are expected to offer is to accept settlers as equal citizens in the new state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

This is the path to peace and security, and the international community, which has long accepted Israel’s war crimes against the Palestinians and has even been complicit in them, will have to embrace it.

Having learned nothing from history, US President Joe Biden made it clear the day Palestinian fighters crossed through the barbed wire to Israel that he is fully behind Israel, giving its army the green light to commit more war crimes against the civilians of Gaza.

Three days after the start of the resistance inside 1948 Palestine, Israel has killed more than 770 people in Gaza, including 140 children, and injured 4,000. More than 180,000 people have had to flee their homes as their neighbourhoods have been viciously targetted by Israeli war planes; I am one of them.

 

[Butler1000]

Its turning into a three front war now. Obvious coordination to derail the Saudi peace deal. This has been planned for at least a year.

Imo Israel has full license to use whatever means and inflict whatever damage is necessary to take out its enemies.

 

[richaceg]

Ah yes, the hate speech where you accuse Palestinians of genocide while you turn Gaza into a death camp because they are the evil ones.

Then you accuse me of racism for suggesting both sides cease fire and both sides are held to the law. Where you say its racist to call Israel apartheid or even suggest that the 54 year old occupation might piss off the indigenous population just a tiny bit.

'Targeting civilians' is the definition of terrorism. For years and years Israel has targeted and killed more civilians than Hamas. So yes, if you think Hamas are terrorists so are Israelis. Unless of course you don't think Palestinians are humans who count or deserve basic human rights.

This is the hate speech from a Palestinian who lives in Gaza that makes you really afraid.
Liberation for us means dismantling the structures of Zionist settler colonialism and apartheid and addressing the inequalities and injustices it has inflicted on us, the indigenous population of Palestine, over the past 100 years.
Liberation for us aims to transform the relationship between Palestinians and Israelis into one based on total equality and justice. The settler society is expected to abandon all colonial privileges and display real willingness to accept responsibility for past crimes and injustices. The compromise that indigenous Palestinians are expected to offer is to accept settlers as equal citizens in the new state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.
This is the path to peace and security, and the international community, which has long accepted Israel’s war crimes against the Palestinians and has even been complicit in them, will have to embrace it.
Having learned nothing from history, US President Joe Biden made it clear the day Palestinian fighters crossed through the barbed wire to Israel that he is fully behind Israel, giving its army the green light to commit more war crimes against the civilians of Gaza.
Three days after the start of the resistance inside 1948 Palestine, Israel has killed more than 770 people in Gaza, including 140 children, and injured 4,000. More than 180,000 people have had to flee their homes as their neighbourhoods have been viciously targetted by Israeli war planes; I am one of them.

This is the "endgame" you wanted...at the cost of Palestinian lives....like Hamas, Palestinian lives are merely collateral damage....as long as Israel is gone...
Here's your words "send Israel & Hamas to the Hague"....that's you... You deem whole of Israel are terrorists like Hamas.... that's you.... @wigglee @Klatuu @Jubee ...do you support Franky's statements here? just want to know....

 

[dirtyharry555]

Like the war, this thread will go on and on and will hit 325 pages before the New Year.......with nothing resolved.

 

[bggolfingmaniac]

This entire thread man....

I am a Liberal Jew that despises Bibi and the ultra right, but I am seething in sadness & anger over this. I'm pissed at a UN that fights it's own guilt at creating Israel by allowing the Muslim world to drag Israel into the UN conversation while the rest of the world burns...I was supportive of Rabin and Barak's attempts to create a 2 state system before Fatah torched it all in the name of hating Jews.

It's beyond the pale to expect Israel, reeling from basically *12* 9/11s here (per capita Israel population in 2023 v US population in 2001) to be expected to 'show restraint.' They're finding babies and kids executed ISIS-style - the elderly and little kids FFS. It represented the absolute worst humanity has to offer, and many moderates like me aren't feeling too moderate ATM. Hamas knew with Bibi alone what a warmonger he was and is, and still executed their plans, knowing it meant thousands on both sides would die. So forgive me if I have little sympathy for the plight of the Palestinian stuck in Gaza today or tomorrow. They won't be able to play the victim card here either this time, not after what they did.

 

[shack]

The wife beater's defence. They had it coming. They made me do it. They got angry and I couldn't control myself. They deserved it, they wanted to be hit.

Bullshit.

You are using the anti-Semite's defense. As long as we kill some Jews/Israelis we don't care what happens to Gazans. The killing of Jews justifies any fallout on any scale.

You are saying that you and Hamas knew that Israel would retaliate very vigorously and you knew that the people of Gaza would suffer greatly as a result. But since you approved of the aggression against Israel, it means you don't give a damn what happens to Gazans. They are pawns. Sheep to be sacrificed.

You lie when you say you care about their welfare. You are simply using them for propaganda.

That's the anti-Semite's defense.

Exposed again.

 

[K Douglas]

My error, yes the 1988 charter is bad. I meant the updated charter which I thought was the 1988 charter. Its not, its this one from 2017:

Hamas in 2017: The document in full

Hamas explains general principles and objectives in 42-article document

www.middleeasteye.net

In it they clearly state that if a Palestinian majority supported it, they would back the two state solution based on the 1967 borders.

Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

In other words Hamas does not agree to a sovereign Jewish state because they only support full right of return and the 1967 borders. No concession whatsoever.
The peace process will never progress unless Hamas is removed from the equation.

 

[Klatuu]

Bullshit.

You are using the anti-Semite's defense. As long as we kill some Jews/Israelis we don't care what happens to Gazans. The killing of Jews justifies any fallout on any scale.

You are saying that you and Hamas knew that Israel would retaliate very vigorously and you knew that the people of Gaza would suffer greatly as a result. But since you approved of the aggression against Israel, it means you don't give a damn what happens to Gazans. They are pawns. Sheep to be sacrificed.

You lie when you say you care about their welfare. You are simply using them for propaganda.

That's the anti-Semite's defense.

Exposed again.

No. That’s your brainwashed anti Palestinian racism.

 

[richaceg]

The wife beater's defence. They had it coming. They made me do it. They got angry and I couldn't control myself. They deserved it, they wanted to be hit.

You really think Israel owes any explanation for the retailation?
Gazans have suffered long enough at the hands of Hamas....what has Hamas done for the residents for Gazans other than make them human shields whenever it's convenient.... When you take your violence to the next level and parade corpses as prize...you know you punctuated death sentence to your own people....Israel will throw some biblical type retaliation from here on out...
If I may ask you, What would've been the best action for Israel after that attack?
- Let UN deal with it?
-Let every country condemn Hamas?
-Surrender all weapons and give Palestine what they want? (which is eliminate Israel on the map)