Israel at war

[xmontrealer]

So you are saying you don't think Israel can survive as a democracy and needs to forever stay apartheid?

Unfortunately Israel cannot survive as a Jewish theocracy if it would become a true democracy that would include all Palestinians.

How many times do I have to say that a 2 state solution that would assure the peaceful co-existence of both the Palestinians and the Jews in their respective nations, with all Arab nations acknowledging Israel's right to exist, is the only possible solution to this never-ending tragedy? In my opinion if it would mean Israel giving a reasonable amount of land back to the Palestinians to give them a proper new homeland, with natural resources and livable borders, etc., so be it.

 

[mandrill]

Who is Ed Krassenstein anyway?? Who knows if he is telling the truth?? For all we know, Iran has already received the full $6 Billion ??

We know that Iran didn't. Because everybody who knows anything about it says that they didn't get it.

 

[Frankfooter]

Unfortunately Israel cannot survive as a Jewish theocracy if it would become a true democracy that would include all Palestinians.

How many times do I have to say that a 2 state solution that would assure the peaceful co-existence of both the Palestinians and the Jews in their respective nations, with all Arab nations acknowledging Israel's right to exist, is the only possible solution to this never-ending tragedy? In my opinion if it would mean Israel giving a reasonable amount of land back to the Palestinians to give them a proper new homeland, with natural resources and livable borders, etc., so be it.

Thank you for a reasonable post, xmontrealer.

I agree that a two state solution would have been ideal. Unfortunately I don't think that's possible any more, there are too many settlements and too many hard core types, like Netanyahu, who say they will not give back a single metre.

If there were more people like you running Israel there could have been a two state solution.

 

[Frankfooter]

There is no country called Khalistan. The 30M Sikhs who live in India also do not want it.

You mean like Palestine?
Except its just Israelis and their supporters that don't want it.

 

[Klatuu]

Egypt won’t play along with Israel’s scheme.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712271156319842479

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712233174200193456

 

[Butler1000]

I think its clear the Hamas terrorist leadership has failed and gone too far this time. So Israel is no longer going to keep the kid gloves on.

Hopeefully they take the Sri Lankin approach. Sweep the area. Place bounties on the top few thousand Hamas leaders and announce no relief until they are found, dead or alive. Vet refugees for transfer to the West Bank. For as long as it takes.

Then take that beautiful beachfront and turn it into the tourist enclave it deserves to be.

 

[Butler1000]

Egypt won’t play along with Israel’s scheme.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712271156319842479

If they start pouring across ehat will Egypt do? Start shooting them? Deport them to where?

 

[mandrill]

Egypt won’t play along with Israel’s scheme.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712271156319842479

Egypt doesn't want the heavily indoctrinated Gazans and HAMAS inside Egypt where they will commit violence and fuck things up. Egypt wants to keep them isolated in Gaza and then claim it's all Israel's fault.

Does Israel want to expel the Gazans?.... Probably not before last weekend. Betcha lots of Israelis are now saying that HAMAS is no better than ISIS and it recruits heavily from radicalized Gazans and therefore a end solution might involve expelling the Gazans. Problem is that there are 2.5 M of them. That's a fuckload of people.

60% of Gazans voted for HAMAS 17 years ago and HAMAS has run Gaza as a single party ideological dictatorship since then, controlling everything Gazans read or hear or believe. How many Gazans would vote for HAMAS now?..... 60%? 80%? 90%.

Of those Gazans who don't accept HAMAS, how many hate Israel and Jews just the same anyhow?..... They'd just do things a little differently than HAMAS?....

If I was an Israeli leader, I'd be doing some very hard-ass mathematics calculations right now.

 

[Butler1000]

And set up a beachfront "Butler's Nothingburgers" kiosk for people to enjoy.

Best damn burgers in the Middle East.

 

[shack]

Gaza was already suffering.

So it's ok if they suffer a lot more according to you and Hamas. Such compassion.

 

[shack]

Terrorists, just like Hamas but with nukes, drones and missiles.

As if Hamas didn't know this when planning the attack.

They basically treated their own people like sheep being lead to the slaughter, while they hide in their tunnels. These are your heroes.

 

[shack]

The brainwashed are coming out of the woodwork.

More deep philosophical input from Little Buddy.

 

[shack]

A dolt? You amuse me. Time to go, this is a waste of time.

To be honest, their voices need to be muffled and their talking points shown to be nothing more than hate speech. Saying nothing gives them a forum.

 

[shack]

Is this ok with you? The 'Japan solution' you suggested the other day?

Once again, deceptive one, I suggested nothing. I stated a historical fact with absolutely no commentary from me.

Once a sleaze, always a sleaze.

 

[Grist]

To be honest, their voices need to be muffled and their talking points shown to be nothing more than hate speech. Saying nothing gives them a forum.

I think they made that pretty clear, but they merely bloviate in an escort review forum, because nobody in their personal lives listens to them, or take them seriously.

 

[Jubee]

I don't give a shit about any wars, I already don't think too highly of us period, let alone the religious and political stuff, but here's a link to a story I came across on another forum.

Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It

Hamas wants to destroy Israel, right? But as Mehdi Hasan shows in a new video on blowback, Israeli officials admit they helped start the group.

theintercept.com

 

[Vector222]

...And while all this is going on where is the Hamas leadership??

 

[Darts]

Gaza–Israel barrier - Wikipedia

 

[Frankfooter]

Egypt doesn't want the heavily indoctrinated Gazans and HAMAS inside Egypt where they will commit violence and fuck things up. Egypt wants to keep them isolated in Gaza and then claim it's all Israel's fault.

Does Israel want to expel the Gazans?.... Probably not before last weekend. Betcha lots of Israelis are now saying that HAMAS is no better than ISIS and it recruits heavily from radicalized Gazans and therefore a end solution might involve expelling the Gazans. Problem is that there are 2.5 M of them. That's a fuckload of people.

60% of Gazans voted for HAMAS 17 years ago and HAMAS has run Gaza as a single party ideological dictatorship since then, controlling everything Gazans read or hear or believe. How many Gazans would vote for HAMAS now?..... 60%? 80%? 90%.

Of those Gazans who don't accept HAMAS, how many hate Israel and Jews just the same anyhow?..... They'd just do things a little differently than HAMAS?....

If I was an Israeli leader, I'd be doing some very hard-ass mathematics calculations right now.

Like I said earlier, you can't kill your way out of this situation.
Palestinians are the majority in Israel.

You can't ethnically cleanse 2.5 million people either.
Israel, as the occupier, is also responsible for the well being of the people of Gaza.
So cutting off water, food and electricity will only make Israel into that much more of a pariah state.

Israel should have settled for the two state solution 3 decades ago when it wasn't too painful. Instead Netanyahu installed half a million settlers inside Palestine and now he can't get rid of them any more than he can get rid of all Palestinians, let alone the 5 million refugees outside the borders.

What's Israel's endgame? The best they can do is try to kill their usual 10x and hope that the power being out means nobody sees the death and destruction in Gaza for a while. The Hamas attack gave Israel publicity attacks on Palestinians but if the response is too big protests against Israel will end that.

And in the end nothing else will have changed.
The only way to change what is there is supporting sanctions to end apartheid.

Otherwise people on both sides will keep getting needlessly killed.
Israel is acting like Hamas now, both of them need to be sent to the Hague.