Israel at war

shack

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Cmon sad Shack….your own logic says that Israel had it coming to them. Basically, the logic you set out makes you an explicit Hamas supporter. Remember “you reap what you sow”
Weak. You're just repeating yourself.
 

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Weak. You're just repeating yourself.
Don’t turn turtle. Your logic says Israel had it coming to them. Your logic supports Hamas. As you said, you can’t have it both ways.

Abusing Palestinians for 75 years is a pretty hefty bill. As you said, Israel is reaping what they’ve sowed.
 

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Don’t turn turtle. Your logic says Israel had it coming to them. Your logic supports Hamas. As you said, you can’t have it both ways.

Abusing Palestinians for 75 years is a pretty hefty bill. As you said, Israel is reaping what they’ve sowed.
look who's brainwashed?
 

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There is definitely going to be a ground invasion after the air strikes are done. IMO.
And there will be a lot fewer members of Hamas after that ground invasion. Unfortunately, Hamas WILL use civilians as shields, so Hamas will ensure the deaths of many innocent people as well.
 

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And there will be a lot fewer members of Hamas after that ground invasion. Unfortunately, Hamas WILL use civilians as shields, so Hamas will ensure the deaths of many innocent people as well.
And a lot fewer occupation soldiers.

it’s been confirmed multiple times now that the Israeli government was warned . Are they just plain incompetent or did they want it to happen.


Where were the Israeli soldiers? They did nothing to protect their citizens.

oh yeah, this country is united.

 

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And a lot fewer occupation soldiers.
The historical ratio of losses in Hamas conflicts is something like 10 Palestinians for every Israeli lost. Of course, that's with Hamas inflicting their losses by way of ambushes and suicide bombs for the most part. I expect the ratio to be MUCH higher for Palestian losses with Israel initiating organized combat during the land invasion. Hamas manpower and resources will be substantially eliminated.
 
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Don’t turn turtle. Your logic says Israel had it coming to them. Your logic supports Hamas. As you said, you can’t have it both ways.

Abusing Palestinians for 75 years is a pretty hefty bill. As you said, Israel is reaping what they’ve sowed.
You've already played that "logic" card and got trumped.

As I said before I'm not gonna waste my time on you unless you up your game.
 

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There is definitely going to be a ground invasion after the air strikes are done. IMO.
They have a few hundred thousand troops massed on the border. I suspect that the main goal will be to save as many hostages as possible. Of course there may be some collateral damage but that'll be on Hamas and people like frank who don't care how many Gazans pay the price.
 

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You've already played that "logic" card and got trumped.

As I said before I'm not gonna waste my time on you unless you up your game.
Hey Shack the turtle. Your logic justified the Hamas attack. You can’t have It both ways according to you.

Your logic says Israel is reaping what it sowed. Your own words.

It’s there in black and white for everyone to see. Don’t run.…..although past experience tells us it is second nature to you.
 
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OK Mr. Logician. Which side do you think will pay a bigger price?

Mind you, guys like you and frank don't mind if 100 Palestinians die as long as 1 Jew is killed.
Are you talking about these dolts? Nothing is going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

 

shack

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Hey Shack the turtle. Your logic justified the Hamas attack. You can’t have It both ways according to you.

Your logic says Israel is reaping what it sowed. Your own words.

It’s there in black and white for everyone to see. Don’t run.…..although past experience tells us it is second nature to you.
Again? Borrring.

Speaking of turtling, why don't you call out frank for not answering a simple question? Call him a turtle. Did he think that Israel would retaliate after the Hamas attack or sit back. I've been asking him since yesterday. He's a coward.

If you get him to give an honest and clear answer, I'll give you an answer.

But like him, you have double standards. You won't call him out, will you. You are both cowards like Hamas who hide behind human shields.
 

shack

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Are you talking about these dolts? Nothing is going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

You're turtling. I asked who will pay a bigger price. The IDF or Hamas and the people of Gaza.
 

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You're turtling. I asked who will pay a bigger price. The IDF or Hamas and the people of Gaza.
The IDF has already paid a bigger price. This was a humiliation for the ages. And it continues as the posted story indicates . Did you predict that Hamas would humiliate Israel?
 
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Hey xmontrealer. I don't give out personal info on this board.

I understand why the state of Israel was created but think it was faulty logic. The Holocaust is perhaps the most horrific crime against humanity ever, along with the indigenous genocide in North America. The mandate of Palestine had a history of peaceful multicultural coexistence, as did quite a few of the surrounding countries, there was a great read I about an 'Arab Jew', someone who's family was part of the Iraqi Jewish community. I agree that the Jewish people needed protection after WWII but building ethno states out of multicultural states wasn't the way to do it.

If you're Jewish, you should also understand that Toronto has a long history of left wing Jews, from the Christie Pits riot to this day at places like Camp Navelt. I'm friends with that community as I'm also friends with Palestinians and some other Arab communities. Toronto works in a way few places does as a multicultural city. That community does not support zionism and are trying to find a way forward to peace. And not through trying to drive either people into the sea or by using military force to subjugate the other side. That's why I argue for deescalation and the end of apartheid.

But if you support Israel's actions, can you say where you think its going and how you think peace can be achieved?
Non of the Israeli supporters here can.
What is the endgame?
Frankfooter, I wasn't asking for your real name, email address, home address, birth date, SIN, or phone number. Just trying to see if you may have any inherent bias due to your personal background and relationships.

As to an endgame, I don't see any possibility for peace in the Middle East as long as most Muslim children in the Middle East are taught to hate Jews as soon as they are able to understand the concept.

Only by the recognition of all Arab countries of Israel's right to exist in peace as a fundamentally Jewish state can any peaceful and stable 2 state solution be found to the Palestinian issue. And it will be many generations before that is even possible, given the deeply rooted hatred that is ingrained in current generations of most Muslims in the region. I honestly believe that if Israel could trust the Arab states, and a new official Palestinian state, to not try to harm, attack or destroy Israel, there could be a lasting peace in the region. I absolutely believe that the vast majority of Israeli Jews could put the past behind them and and show no aggression towards other Arab states if that were the case.

It behooves me to ask you what it might take for Israel to trust that the Arab nations will not try to destroy Israel, before Israel can afford to let its guard down completely.

That notwithstanding, there will always be an Israel, as the United States will not allow that part of the world to have no strong American ally.
 
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Frankfooter, I wasn't asking for your real name, email address, home address, birth date, SIN, or phone number. Just trying to see if you may have any inherent bias due to your personal background and relationships.

As to an endgame, I don't see any possibility for peace in the Middle East as long as most Muslim children in the Middle East are taught to hate Jews as soon as they are able to understand the concept.

Only by the recognition of all Arab countries of Israel's right to exist in peace as a fundamentally Jewish state can any peaceful and stable 2 state solution be found to the Palestinian issue. And it will be many generations before that is even possible, given the deeply rooted hatred that is ingrained in current generations of most Muslims in the region. I honestly believe that if Israel could trust the Arab states, and a new official Palestinian state, to not try to harm, attack or destroy Israel, there could be a lasting peace in the region. I absolutely believe that the vast majority of Israeli Jews could put the past behind them and and show no aggression towards other Arab states if that were the case.

It behooves me to ask you what it might take for Israel to trust that the Arab nations will not try to destroy Israel, before Israel can afford to let its guard down completely.

That notwithstanding, there will always be an Israel, as the United States will not allow that part of the world to have no strong American ally.
The brainwashing is jaw dropping.
 
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