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Klatuu said:
The brainwashing is jaw dropping.
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Of the Muslim children, it certainly is...

As just one example, copied and pasted from Wikipedia:

"Antisemitic comments by Muslim leaders and scholars[edit]
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Saudi school books[edit]
Main article: Saudi Arabian textbook controversy
A May 2006 study of Saudi Arabia's revised schoolbook curriculum discovered that the eighth grade books included the following statements,[191]

They are the people of the Sabbath, whose young people God turned into apes, and whose old people God turned into swine to punish them. As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the keepers of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christian infidels of the communion of Jesus.
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Some of the people of the Sabbath were punished by being turned into apes and swine. Some of them were made to worship the devil, and not God, through consecration, sacrifice, prayer, appeals for help, and other types of worship. Some of the Jews worship the devil. Likewise, some members of this nation worship devil, and not God.
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Heads of American publishing houses have issued a statement asking the Saudi government to delete the "hate".[192]

According to the Anti-Defamation League's November 2018 report, Saudi government-published school textbooks for the 2018–19 academic year promoting incitement to hatred or violence against Jews.[193] The Antisemitic material remains in the Saudi text books, as of November 2019.[194]"

Click on the "Main Article: Saudi Arabian textbook controversy" for a much more detailed article....
 
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712156832909734222

Earlier today, the leader of Hamas called on extremists in America and around the world to create a Jihad on Friday. They are openly calling for the death of non-Muslims. Unarmed cities like LA/Chicago/NYC are the highest risk cities in America. Biden Voters: Aren't you glad you voted for Biden to allow in millions of illegals?
 
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Klatuu said:
The IDF has already paid a bigger price. This was a humiliation for the ages. And it continues as the posted story indicates . Did you predict that Hamas would humiliate Israel?
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Oh. Is the conflict over? How many IDF have died? How many Hamas have died?

I asked who WILL pay the bigger price. Just to help you, it means when the conflict is over. At this point, it is far from over.
 
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Klatuu said:
Is that from a card that an ex girlfriend gave to you?
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No. It's a very apt statement of those that refuse to accept reality. It's hardly surprising that it went over your head. You embarrass yourself every time you post. Did you graduate junior high school yet?
 
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shack said:
Oh. Is the conflict over? How many IDF have died? How many Hamas have died?

I asked who WILL pay the bigger price. Just to help you, it means when the conflict is over. At this point, it is far from over.
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Shack of sit….did you predict that Hamas would humiliate Israel?
 
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It's an absolute crazy situation because these territories should have never existed. A piece of land should simply have been given to palestine people... (if I can call them like that).

By not having their land they have become inhuman and who can blame them...

Now they go to war.

War is crazy.

War is performed by 20 year old or so who would rather go all to a rave together and who in normal circumstance would love each other.

But war is decided by old fart who hate each other out of ego, greed and men who grew into old fucking fart.
 
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K Douglas said:
As usual you are wrong. Death, taxes and Frankie errors....certainties in life.

Excerpts from the Hamas Charter (1988)
'The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine.' (Article 6)

'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'

'The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.' (Article 11)

'[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13)
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My error, yes the 1988 charter is bad. I meant the updated charter which I thought was the 1988 charter. Its not, its this one from 2017:
www.middleeasteye.net

Hamas in 2017: The document in full

Hamas explains general principles and objectives in 42-article document
www.middleeasteye.net www.middleeasteye.net

In it they clearly state that if a Palestinian majority supported it, they would back the two state solution based on the 1967 borders.

Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.
 
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Kautilya said:
It is, in this case.

Israel being a colonial power, stealing land from Palestinians, oppressing them etc is not news. We know that.

But when an attack happens that massacres scores of people, you cannot point to that. You are not providing insight. You are deflecting and shifting blame. And now when Israel retaliates, and it is going to be brutal, you are going to use that as further ammo to argue that they are using disproportionate force. Of course they are! Its war. I just talked to my Israeli friend on FB, and he said "My people will respond with thunder and fury!". That is kind of the mood right now. They won't be forgiving.

This is why your line of argumentation is problematic. Put the Israeli mistakes on the back burner for now.

Hamas is at fault here. 100%.
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Arbitrarily stating that you can't point out the 75 year occupation, settler terrorism and ongoing colonization is weak, kautilya.
The only reason you want to discount them is because you support them. Which is really weird since you come from a country still recovering from colonialism. But then again, you do back a movement based on racial supremacy so maybe that trumps all.

Neither is your defence of using disproportionate responses. You are calling for war crimes.
As is dutch oven.

Why are all the Israel supporters now calling for worse acts of terrorism than Hamas committed?
 
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xmontrealer said:
Frankfooter, I wasn't asking for your real name, email address, home address, birth date, SIN, or phone number. Just trying to see if you may have any inherent bias due to your personal background and relationships.

As to an endgame, I don't see any possibility for peace in the Middle East as long as most Muslim children in the Middle East are taught to hate Jews as soon as they are able to understand the concept.

Only by the recognition of all Arab countries of Israel's right to exist in peace as a fundamentally Jewish state can any peaceful and stable 2 state solution be found to the Palestinian issue. And it will be many generations before that is even possible, given the deeply rooted hatred that is ingrained in current generations of most Muslims in the region. I honestly believe that if Israel could trust the Arab states, and a new official Palestinian state, to not try to harm, attack or destroy Israel, there could be a lasting peace in the region. I absolutely believe that the vast majority of Israeli Jews could put the past behind them and and show no aggression towards other Arab states if that were the case.

It behooves me to ask you what it might take for Israel to trust that the Arab nations will not try to destroy Israel, before Israel can afford to let its guard down completely.

That notwithstanding, there will always be an Israel, as the United States will not allow that part of the world to have no strong American ally.
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I'm sorry, xmontrealer, but that post is based on your own racist views.
Your views that the Arab world teaches hatred of Jews is itself a form of hate speech.

If you want peace with the surrounding countries its Israel that has to change. Israel needs to deal with the Palestinian refugee issue, where the countries around are hosting 5 million Palestinian refugees and Israel needs to return occupied land to Syria and Lebanon. Then they need to give Palestinians equal rights or a full Palestinian nation based on the 1967 borders without land swaps.

That is the way to peace, not demanding Arab nations declare whether a nation has a right to exist, that is an imaginary right. Rights are for humans, not countries. And that includes Palestinians, who, if you aren't aware, are human.
 
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