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Israel at war

y2kmark

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Does Jared have to return the money now? Will he want to go to Israel and fight?
 
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Not getting younger

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Basketcase said Israel was at war with Gaza about two weeks ago, well before this round of violence.
Get him to explain to you when he thinks the Gaza/Israel war started.

Otherwise, look at the Oct 4 storming of Al Aqsa as the start of this round of violence.
Oh, but you can't, you can't admit any wrongdoing by Israelis, can you?
But YOU accuse Israel of disproportionate response.
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shack

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Israel will slaughter 20 Palestinians for every Israeli killed.
In which case it does not seem very prudent for Hamas to have initiated this aggression on Israeli civilians (over 1,000 killed so far).

They knew what the retaliation would be like, yet have no compunction in directly causing the deaths of (using your math) 20,000 Gazans. It sounds like they consider Gazan lives worthless other than to use their deaths as a propaganda tool.

You reap what you sow.
 

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Frankfooter

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But YOU accuse Israel of disproportionate response.
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What is a disproportionate response to 75 years of occupation, rising settler terrorism and apartheid rule?
Would it be bombing the world's largest open air prison, stopping all food, water and power in an area where 65% are already food insecure and 90% of the water is undrinkable? Would it be bombing schools and attacking civilians?

2.2 million refugees with no water, food or power.

Palestinian Red Crescent says Israeli air raid hit headquarters in Gaza
Israeli jets have bombed the headquarters of the Palestinian Red Crescent in the northern Gaza Strip, the rescue service has said.
 

Frankfooter

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In which case it does not seem very prudent for Hamas to have initiated this aggression on Israeli civilians (over 1,000 killed so far).

They knew what the retaliation would be like, yet have no compunction in directly causing the deaths of (using your math) 20,000 Gazans. It sounds like they consider Gazan lives worthless other than to use their deaths as a propaganda tool.

You reap what you sow.
What do you reap after 75 years of occupation, colonization and apartheid rule?

 

richaceg

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The federal NDP have come out against Israeli apartheid.
We'll see which way Marit Stiles turns soon enough.

The situation in Israel has already turned from Hamas slaughter to Israeli genocide, with no food, water or electricity and now mass bombings everywhere. If Israel doesn't stop their attacks very soon they will lose mass support.

You keep demonizing the retaliation and somehow find a way to dance around what the cause...You keep justifying actions by Hamas even though it's pretty clear they don't value the lives of Palestinians...they have been asking for this war...and now this looks like the point of no return...Who else here knows when it comes to Israeli deaths...Neta and the IDF be deaf on any calls for refrain... Hamas knows this. UN knows this....this is one of the many more wars to happen until one eliminates the other...
 

y2kmark

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Someone should ask MTG; "where are the space lasers???"
 

shack

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What do you reap after 75 years of occupation, colonization and apartheid rule?

Blah, blah, blah.

Reprisals were a guarantee. You know it. Hamas knew it. All Gazans knew it. This is not a revelation.

Hamas brought this upon themselves but more so their populace.

If you support/justify Hamas' attack because of your "75 year apartheid" bullshit excuse then you undeniably support the deaths of however many Gazans occur.

The more you justify the attack the more it proves that you don't give a shit how many Gazans die as long as you can kill a few Jews/Israelis.

You are a sick person who is consumed by the hate of Jews.
 
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Frankfooter

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.this is one of the many more wars to happen until one eliminates the other...
No food, no water, no power.
Just continual bombing of one of the most crowded places on earth.

Do you think Israel is trying to eliminate the people of Gaza now?
 

shack

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2.2 million refugees with no water, food or power.
All because of Hamas' attack.

They knew that there would be reprisals. Pretty fucking stupid of them.

Just waiting for you to justify the attack because of "apartheid, occupation.....".

And every time you try to justify the attack then you are admitting that you approve of the death and misery of the Gazan people.

You can't have it both ways.
 
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All because of Hamas' attack.

They knew that there would be reprisals. Pretty fucking stupid of them.

Just waiting for you to justify the attack because of "apartheid, occupation.....".

And every time you try to justify the attack then you are admitting that you approve of the death and misery of the Gazan people.

You can't have it both ways.
I think one can say the attack by Hamas was horrific and attacking civilians is the definition of terror. But, you can also say that the people of Gaza don't deserve what's happening to them because of Hamas. Israel does have a right to defend itself. However, the collective punishment of all the people in Gaza is technically a war crime. Cutting off food, water and power to them while bombing the shit out of the strip is not going to help the situation.

And, to be honest, I have no idea how to fix this. Smarter people than myself have tried for decades to little or no success...or at least no lasting peace.
 
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