Israel at war

[Frankfooter]

But there is no need to identify a cause. The cause is apparent that there is a conflict for the last 7+ decades. The reaction should be criticism of Hamas for this attack.

I would say the same thing if Israel did something. No reason to dive into causes. We know the causes already. Nothing new. We can just criticize the party that is wrong.

You want to criticize the party that is wrong without identifying the cause?
Then you'll end up criticizing the wrong party.
Oh right, you don't identify the occupation as a possible cause.

Yes but by saying they are all based on racial supremacy, you are saying they are the same. I am interpreting you correctly. I am disagreeing with that assertion here, as I did over there in that thread. Zionism is not a racial supremacist ideology like Nazism. Therefore they are not the same. You cannot equate them and put them on similar footing. So in the presence of proof, again, why are you lying? What is with you and lying anyway? That is not an honourable way to conduct a discussion.

No, its not saying they are all the same, they all believe they are racially better and then apply that belief much, much differently.
Its like arguing that forms of booze are the same as they are ways of distilling drinkable alcohol.

I can equate the same racial supremacy base ideology then differentiate how they interpret and implement that ideology.
You're just arguing because you back one form of racial supremacy.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Pure unadulterated evil. Hamas were notorious from doing barbaric activities even years ago, they dragged bodies behind motorcycles. They're right when they call them ISIS, same style of savagery.

Hamas kills 40 babies and children — beheading some of them — at Israeli kibbutz: report

This kind of propaganda coming out of Israel is truly disgusting.

Of course it's making the rounds and having the desired effect on people's emotions.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Suddenly everyone has forgotten about fake news. What this does show is that legacy media still has a stronghold over citizens.

 

[Frankfooter]

So according to you is the wrong party for this attack? Israel? That is the problem with your argument. The only ones you can blame for this attack is the Hamas. Israel's actions are a different debate.

The central cause is the 75 year old occupation of Palestine.
Both sides are in the wrong quite often but Hamas and Palestinians do have a right to self defence. But they are in the wrong for attacking the rave/concert and targeting civilians. Israel is in the wrong for the occupation, apartheid, collective punishment and targeting civilians.

Zionism has no racial component to it because Jews are not all the same race. The are multi-racial. Zionism is also nationalism, not racial supremacy.

You're still stuck on a basis of race that is biological, which is bad science.
Zionist is a racial supremacist that thinks one group of semites has more rights and property rights than another group of semites who practice a different religion. Jews constantly describe themselves as a race and Palestinians as another, lesser race. Even if there is no biological difference they are acting on racist beliefs.

Nazism on the other hand is based on the supremacy of the white race.

So by definition they are both different and you equating them is both wrong and asinine.

This board is filled with posts describing Palestinians as 'savages', 'terrorists', 'animals' or worse.
You cannot find a single post by an Israeli supporter that argues Palestinians deserve basic human rights.
That is racial supremacy in action.

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711834324205511092

 

[Klatuu]

Israel doesn’t want the world to know.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711866000335909115

 

[Klatuu]

The Israeli thugs are at work in Jerusalem

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711848709812604955

 

[dirtyharry555]

I read the conspiracy theory yesterday that suggested the Israel government was privy to the planned attack and allowed it to happen. It would give them a good reason to expand their territory.

As crazy as it sounded, I was of the belief that anything is possible. Because there is evil out there.

Looks like it's another conspiracy that's shaping up to hold some weight.

 

[dirtyharry555]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711748659262419376

 

[Frankfooter]

We all know the overarching conflict. But we are talking about this particular attack. That is the fault of the Hamas.

Not according Haaretz, an Israeli paper.
Benjamin Netanyahu Blamed by Top Israel Newspaper in Scathing Attack

Yes there is racism on this board. Yes people can be racist towards Palestinians.

But that is different from Zionism. A lot of people can be racist towards Palestinians not because they are Zionists but because they are racists.

But you would be wrong to say that Zionism and Nazism are both racial supremacist beliefs. Zionism is based on nationalism, that is driven by Jewish identity. Nazism is based on the superiority of a certain skin colour. They are not remotely the same things.

They are both movements based on racial supremacy, though very different in implementation.
Zionists call themselves the 'chosen people' and constantly describe themselves as a different race, the fact that they think this gives them property rights is secondary to inherent racism.
Look at it this way, has there ever been an Israeli supporter on this board that has clearly stated that Palestinians deserve full human rights or equality?

You won't find a single Israeli supporter here who will ever admit Palestinians have the right to self defence.
That right they only assign to Israel and Israeli Jews.
That is racial supremacy.

 

[WyattEarp]

Yeah that is what I don't agree with. He does not account for corrective action and extrapolates too much.

Corrective action is a characteristic of flexible organizations. This might seem like an excessive historical extrapolation but a case could be made that the last Emperor and the last Czar were victims systemic inflexibility. I'm obviously drawing a direct line to Xi and Putin.

The CCP probably has the most ability to depose Xi and introduce change. However, it's very difficult since Xi has been systemically eliminating any one capable of taking over the reins of leadership after him. If they're lucky, there is a CCP leader who is so clever and talented that he has been merely aping Xi and paying false tribute while having his own ideas for China's future.

 

[WyattEarp]

Suddenly everyone has forgotten about fake news. What this does show is that legacy media still has a stronghold over citizens.

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Are you trying to stir up shit again?

 

[basketcase]

I don't know how you guys have time to do this all day but when I signed out, Franky was trying to claim that there were no Hamas atrocities and his little buddy wanted everyone to demonize Israel because 33 children were killed in strike son hama stargets.

I have a feeling that neither of them will want to talk about Hamas shooting 40 young children and beheaded some of them.

Israel takes foreign journalists to see massacre site in Kfar Aza

With terrorists' bodies still lying in the grass, international press witnesses firsthand the shocking aftermath of Hamas's slaughter of Israeli civilians

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[xmontrealer]

I read the conspiracy theory yesterday that suggested the Israel government was privy to the planned attack and allowed it to happen. It would give them a good reason to expand their territory.

As crazy as it sounded, I was of the belief that anything is possible. Because there is evil out there.

Looks like it's another conspiracy that's shaping up to hold some weight.

Like the one that the Jews planned and orchestrated 9/11?

 

[basketcase]

do you support Hamas? I wonder how some Palestinians live in Israel.....

Yes he's be pretty clear about this. He's excited about this war because close to 1000 jews were killed, even though there are/will be plenty of Palestinian deaths and absolutely nothing will improve.

 

[WyattEarp]

The Israeli thugs are at work in Jerusalem

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711848709812604955

It's a war dumbshit.

 

[xmontrealer]

I heard on NBC news tonight that Hamas is saying this operation has been planned and under preparations for the last year. Al Aqsa provocation my ass!

Also said Iran has been cooperating with the plans since at least this past August.

 

[basketcase]

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So I ask you, who is the more tolerant country?

Hell, Israel is a better country for Arabs despite the systemic racism.

 

[basketcase]

People made Aliyah to Israel.
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Because of massive persecution based on anti-semitism; because Arab leaders used the local indigenous Jewish population as scapegoats, took away rights including citizenship, and incited mass violence against them.

Your post is stupid because this is well documented.

 

[basketcase]

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If there isn't why not? It's because these places are tolerant towards Jews unlike the countries that xmontrealer listed.
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I don't know if tolerant towards Jews was the best description in the post-war period but the immigration quotas and dirty looks was far better than what Arab Jews faced in their Arab homelands.