Israel at war
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Let's see how the housing deck of cards plays out in the next little while on a population already tapped out.
Canadian killed. Americans killed in this attack...I'm not gonna say thoughts and prayers for Israel thoughts and prayers will not bring back lives lost, thoughts and prayers won't stop Hamas...we all know how Israel is going to deal with this....
Copied and pasted from Wikipedia.
The table shows the Jewish population in various Arab countries since 1948, then in 1972, and then recent estimates.
There doesn't seem to be much tolerance for Jews at all in most of these countries, especially as compared to the Israeli's tolerance for peaceful Muslims who live in the State of Israel.
Table of Jewish population since 1948
In 1948, there were between 758,000 and 881,000 Jews (see table below) living in communities throughout the Arab world. Today, there are fewer than 8,600. In some Arab states, such as Libya, which was about 3% Jewish, the Jewish community no longer exists; in other Arab countries, only a few dozen to a few hundred Jews remain.
Jewish Population by country: 1948, 1972 and recent times
Absorption
Copied and pasted from Wikipedia re: Arab populations in Israel:
Population
In 2006, the official number of Arab residents in Israel was 1,413,500 people, about 20% of Israel's population. This figure includes 209,000 Arabs (14% of the Israeli Arab population) in East Jerusalem, also counted in the Palestinian statistics, although 98% of East Jerusalem Palestinians have either Israeli residency or Israeli citizenship.[147] In 2012, the official number of Arab residents in Israel increased to 1,617,000 people, about 21% of Israel's population.[148] The Arab population in 2023 was estimated at 2,065,000 people, representing 21% of the country's population.[1]
According to the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics census in 2010, "the Arab population lives in 134 towns and villages. About 44 percent of them live in towns (compared to 81 percent of the Jewish population); 48 percent live in villages with local councils (compared to 9 percent of the Jewish population). Four percent of the Arab citizens live in small villages with regional councils, while the rest live in unrecognized villages (the proportion is much higher, 31 percent in the Negev)".[149] The Arab population in Israel is located in five main areas: Galilee (54.6% of total Israeli Arabs), Triangle (23.5% of total Israeli Arabs), Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, and Northern Negev (13.5% of total Israeli Arabs).[149] Around 8.4% (approximately 102,000 inhabitants) of Israeli Arabs live in officially mixed Jewish-Arab cities (excluding Arab residents in East Jerusalem), including Haifa, Lod, Ramle, Jaffa-Tel Aviv, Acre, Nof HaGalil, and Ma'alot Tarshiha.[150]
Jaffa, which currently has 16,000 Arab residents, mixed of Muslims and Christians.[151]Old City of Acre, an area where Arabs make up 95% of the residents.[146]
In Israel's Northern District[152] Arab citizens of Israel form a majority of the population (52%) and about 50% of the Arab population lives in 114 different localities throughout Israel.[153] In total there are 122 primarily if not entirely Arab localities in Israel, 89 of them having populations over two thousand.[154] The seven townships as well as the Abu Basma Regional Council that have been constructed by the government for the Bedouin population of the Negev,[155][better source needed] are the only Arab localities to have been established since 1948, with the aim of relocating the Arab Bedouin citizens (see preceding section on Bedouin).[citation needed]
46% of the country's Arabs (622,400 people) live in predominantly Arab communities in the north.[152] In 2021 Nazareth was the largest Arab city, with a population of 77,925,[156] roughly 40,000 of whom are Muslim. Shefa-'Amr has a population of approximately 43,023 and the city is mixed with sizable populations of Muslims, Christians, and Druze.
Jerusalem, a mixed city, has the largest overall Arab population. Jerusalem housed 332,400 Arabs in 2016 (37.7% of the city's residents)[157] and together with the local council of Abu Ghosh, some 19% of the country's entire Arab population.
14% of Arab citizens live in the Haifa District predominantly in the Wadi Ara region. Here is the largest Muslim city, Umm al-Fahm, with a population of 57,677. Baqa-Jatt is the second largest Arab population center in the district. The city of Haifa has an Arab population of 10%, much of it in the Wadi Nisnas, Abbas and Halissa neighborhoods.[158] Wadi Nisnas and Abbas neighborhoods, are largely Christian,[159][160] Halisa and Kababir are largely Muslim.[160]
10% of the country's Arab population resides in the Central District of Israel, primarily the cities of Tayibe, Tira, and Qalansawe as well as the mixed cities of Lod and Ramla which have mainly Jewish populations.[71]
Of the remaining 11%, 10% live in Bedouin communities in the northwestern Negev. The Bedouin city of Rahat is the only Arab city in the Southern District and it is the third largest Arab city in Israel.
The remaining 1% of the country's Arab population lives in cities that are almost entirely Jewish, such as Nazareth Illit with an Arab population of 22%[161] and Tel Aviv-Yafo, 4%.[71][153]
So I ask you, who is the more tolerant country?
The table shows the Jewish population in various Arab countries since 1948, then in 1972, and then recent estimates.
There doesn't seem to be much tolerance for Jews at all in most of these countries, especially as compared to the Israeli's tolerance for peaceful Muslims who live in the State of Israel.
Table of Jewish population since 1948
In 1948, there were between 758,000 and 881,000 Jews (see table below) living in communities throughout the Arab world. Today, there are fewer than 8,600. In some Arab states, such as Libya, which was about 3% Jewish, the Jewish community no longer exists; in other Arab countries, only a few dozen to a few hundred Jews remain.
Jewish Population by country: 1948, 1972 and recent times
| Country or territory | 1948 Jewish population | 1972 Jewish population | Recent estimates |
|---|---|---|---|
| Morocco | 250,000[76]–265,000[77] | 31,000[267] | 2,100 (2019)[268][better source needed] |
| Algeria | 140,000[76][77] | 1,000[267] | <50 (2014)[269][better source needed] |
| Tunisia | 50,000[76]–105,000[77] | 8,000[267] | 1,000 (2019)[268] |
| Libya | 35,000[76]–38,000[77] | 50[267] | 0 (2014)[269] |
| North Africa Total | ~500,000 | ~40,000 | ~3,000 |
| Iraq | 135,000[77]–140,000[76] | 500[267] | 5–7 (2014)[269] |
| Egypt | 75,000[77]–80,000[76] | 500[267] | 100 (2019)[269] |
| Yemen and Aden | 53,000[76]–63,000[77] | 500[267] | 50 (2016)[270] |
| Syria | 15,000[76]–30,000[77] | 4,000[267] | 100 (2019)[269] |
| Lebanon | 5,000[77]–20,000[271][better source needed] | 2,000[267] | 100 (2012)[271] |
| Bahrain | 550–600[272][better source needed] | 36 (2007)[273] | |
| Sudan | 350[261] | ≈0 | |
| Middle East Total | ~300,000 | ~7,500 | ~400 |
| Afghanistan | 5,000 | 500[267] | 0 (2021)[254] |
| Bangladesh | Unknown | 75–100 (2012)[274] | |
| Iran | 65,232 (1956)[275] | 62,258 (1976)[275][276] - 80,000[267] | 8,300 (2019)[15][better source needed] |
| Pakistan | 2,000–2,500[277] | 250[267] | >900 (2017)[278] |
| Turkey | 80,000[279] | 30,000[267] | 14,800 (2019)[16][better source needed] |
| Non-Arab Muslim Countries Total | ~150,000 | ~100,000 | ~24,000 |
Copied and pasted from Wikipedia re: Arab populations in Israel:
Population
In 2006, the official number of Arab residents in Israel was 1,413,500 people, about 20% of Israel's population. This figure includes 209,000 Arabs (14% of the Israeli Arab population) in East Jerusalem, also counted in the Palestinian statistics, although 98% of East Jerusalem Palestinians have either Israeli residency or Israeli citizenship.[147] In 2012, the official number of Arab residents in Israel increased to 1,617,000 people, about 21% of Israel's population.[148] The Arab population in 2023 was estimated at 2,065,000 people, representing 21% of the country's population.[1]
According to the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics census in 2010, "the Arab population lives in 134 towns and villages. About 44 percent of them live in towns (compared to 81 percent of the Jewish population); 48 percent live in villages with local councils (compared to 9 percent of the Jewish population). Four percent of the Arab citizens live in small villages with regional councils, while the rest live in unrecognized villages (the proportion is much higher, 31 percent in the Negev)".[149] The Arab population in Israel is located in five main areas: Galilee (54.6% of total Israeli Arabs), Triangle (23.5% of total Israeli Arabs), Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, and Northern Negev (13.5% of total Israeli Arabs).[149] Around 8.4% (approximately 102,000 inhabitants) of Israeli Arabs live in officially mixed Jewish-Arab cities (excluding Arab residents in East Jerusalem), including Haifa, Lod, Ramle, Jaffa-Tel Aviv, Acre, Nof HaGalil, and Ma'alot Tarshiha.[150]
Jaffa, which currently has 16,000 Arab residents, mixed of Muslims and Christians.[151]Old City of Acre, an area where Arabs make up 95% of the residents.[146]
In Israel's Northern District[152] Arab citizens of Israel form a majority of the population (52%) and about 50% of the Arab population lives in 114 different localities throughout Israel.[153] In total there are 122 primarily if not entirely Arab localities in Israel, 89 of them having populations over two thousand.[154] The seven townships as well as the Abu Basma Regional Council that have been constructed by the government for the Bedouin population of the Negev,[155][better source needed] are the only Arab localities to have been established since 1948, with the aim of relocating the Arab Bedouin citizens (see preceding section on Bedouin).[citation needed]
46% of the country's Arabs (622,400 people) live in predominantly Arab communities in the north.[152] In 2021 Nazareth was the largest Arab city, with a population of 77,925,[156] roughly 40,000 of whom are Muslim. Shefa-'Amr has a population of approximately 43,023 and the city is mixed with sizable populations of Muslims, Christians, and Druze.
Jerusalem, a mixed city, has the largest overall Arab population. Jerusalem housed 332,400 Arabs in 2016 (37.7% of the city's residents)[157] and together with the local council of Abu Ghosh, some 19% of the country's entire Arab population.
14% of Arab citizens live in the Haifa District predominantly in the Wadi Ara region. Here is the largest Muslim city, Umm al-Fahm, with a population of 57,677. Baqa-Jatt is the second largest Arab population center in the district. The city of Haifa has an Arab population of 10%, much of it in the Wadi Nisnas, Abbas and Halissa neighborhoods.[158] Wadi Nisnas and Abbas neighborhoods, are largely Christian,[159][160] Halisa and Kababir are largely Muslim.[160]
10% of the country's Arab population resides in the Central District of Israel, primarily the cities of Tayibe, Tira, and Qalansawe as well as the mixed cities of Lod and Ramla which have mainly Jewish populations.[71]
Of the remaining 11%, 10% live in Bedouin communities in the northwestern Negev. The Bedouin city of Rahat is the only Arab city in the Southern District and it is the third largest Arab city in Israel.
The remaining 1% of the country's Arab population lives in cities that are almost entirely Jewish, such as Nazareth Illit with an Arab population of 22%[161] and Tel Aviv-Yafo, 4%.[71][153]
So I ask you, who is the more tolerant country?
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There is no solution to the Israeli/Palestinian Bacchus of blood. These are wars of annihilation, they end with mass murder and the lust for more. Civilians are just collateral damage, neither side gives a fuck about them.
Do you really think the current Jewish populations in the Arab countries as estimated in the Wikipedia tables above are significantly understated?
Also, feel free to search the subject on Wikipedia yourself. I only copied and pasted what seemed to be the most relevant information to make my point, and to be brief enough to fit in my post and not overwhelm the readers.
If you can find something on Wikipedia, or some other unbiased source to contradict what I posted, please post it yourself...
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Does he have a choice given western sentiment. Does he have much choice given a very recent screw up. Does he have much choice given the polls. While it is a far cry from his usual hopes and prayers with stand with Paris virtue signalling. Don’t give him too much. He is as credible as a drama teacher.
Obviously not. If that was the case, why were they spread out into so many other countries. That's hardly living together.
And if they did move back to Israel it was because they feared for their lives because of intolerance.
Do you think that we'd see the same kind of shift for Jews that lived in N. America in 1948 and now? I highly doubt it. Why? Because they do not fear for their lives.
For now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say that your post was stupid as opposed to other more appropriate adjectives.
No evidence of error. No research on your part. Your objections are meaningless. You are objecting for a reason. Hatred.
The 800,000 or so Jews in those Arab countries pre-1948 lived together with the Muslims for a great many years. After the State of Israel was created many Arab countries forced them to emigrate, either by direct edict, or by persecution. And even more so after the 1973 Yom Kippur war and other confrontations. Hence the further reduction in Jewish populations in Arab countries using 1972 as a baseline in the above tables.
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More from Wikipedia. I tried to edit as little a possible, and the "copy" function left only links in some cases. Read the text. For greater detail click on the links.
Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran
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Background
The Knesset adopted the commemoration day into law on June 23, 2014.[2] November 30th was chosen due to its symbolic proximity to the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - adopted on November 29th, 1947 - after which many Jewish communities in Middle Eastern and North African countries started to experience pressure and hostility from their Arab and Persian neighbors that ultimately resulted in a large scale exodus of Jewish communities from these countries.[3][4] The law was sponsored by MK Shimon Ohayon of Yisrael Beiteinu.[5]
For many Mizrahi Jews in Israel it is considered to be a belated recognition of a collective trauma long ignored institutionally throughout the country’s history.[6][7][8][9]
Memorialization in Israel
On May 9, 2021, the first physical memorialization in Israel of the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from Arab lands and Iran was placed on the Sherover Promenade in Jerusalem.[10]
Jewish Departure and Expulsion Memorial from Arab Lands and Iran on the Sherover Promenade, Jerusalem
The text on the Memorial reads;
"With the birth of the State of Israel, over 850,000 Jews were forced from Arab Lands and Iran. The desperate refugees were welcomed by Israel.
By Act of the Knesset: Nov. 30, annually, is the Departure and Expulsion Memorial Day. Memorial donated by the Jewish American Society for Historic Preservation, With support from the World Sephardi Federation, City of Jerusalem and the Jerusalem Foundation"[11]
The sculpture is the interpretive work of Sam Philipe, a fifth generation Jerusalemite.[12][13]
See also
Show us the huge decline in numbers from North America or U.K. or Australia because of "Zionism" and a return to the homeland. If you can't then your claims are bogus.
If there isn't why not? It's because these places are tolerant towards Jews unlike the countries that xmontrealer listed.
Ok. I'll agree your post was not because of ignorance. It is because of your intolerance of Jews. Are you happy now?
p.s. The Jewish population has almost doubled in the U.S. since 1949/50 (and I suspect there was a huge increase between 1945 and then) from 4.5 million to 7.5 million as opposed to decreasing hundreds and thousands folds in the countries xmontrealer listed.
Why would that be. Why didn't aliyah make the Jewish population shrivel like it did in those other countries.
There is one and only one possible explanation, tolerance here and a lack thereof there. The Jews here (mostly) do not fear for their lives. But unfortunately because of hate spreaders and false narratives, it's getting worse.
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Basketcase said Israel was at war with Gaza about two weeks ago, well before this round of violence.
Get him to explain to you when he thinks the Gaza/Israel war started.
Otherwise, look at the Oct 4 storming of Al Aqsa as the start of this round of violence.
Oh, but you can't, you can't admit any wrongdoing by Israelis, can you?
No, I have never said either of those two things.So it is Frank's tactic of gaslighting a discussion, where he surreptitiously calls every Israeli a terrorist, while throwing in the perfunctory, "Hamas is a terrorist group" statement, because that is undeniable.
The other day he did the same thing, where he said Zionists and Nazis were the same thing. I mean Nazis who sought to wipe out Jews from the planet were the same as people wanting to establish a Jewish state (even if I do not agree with the non-secular nature of it)?
That is gaslighting.
This is a balanced statement by the UN.
If you were truly balanced or unbiased you'd back a call for both sides to be investigated for 'terrorism', which is 'targeting of civilians'.
But you support terrorism by some and not others.
Don't mistaken war with massacre...Hamas didn't target military installations and out posts...they were out for blood...civilians or not....IDF don't target civilians....collateral damage is inevitable when your enemy uses civilians as human shields...Hamas are terrorists...NATO members said so...Biden said so... Trudeau said so....
Wrong twice.
Hamas targeted Israeli outposts along the prison walls, including the security towers.
Israel is targeting schools and apartments in Gaza.
Both sides have targeted civilians, which is the definition of terrorism.
They are both the same.
Amid Israeli attacks, Gaza schools no longer safe spaces
Residents across the Gaza Strip have sought shelter in UN-run schools. But schools too have been targeted by Israel.
Both Hamas and Israel are acting like terrorists so its fair to make that comparison on that level.
Sure, Hamas represents a religious subset of the indigenous population while the Israeli government represents a colonial settler, racist movement.
They are different that way, along with international support and funding.
For the Khalistani argument, that was in reference to your comments about Sikhs, where you specifically attacked all Sikhs, not just Khalistanis.
Zionism is still an element, there are numerous Jewish groups that are anti zionist. Its not the identity of the entire people. Nor is it even the identity of all Jewish Israelis. Read Haaretz or B'tselem reports. Hamas was the democratically elected government of Gaza, though they are as popular now as the Netanyahu government and Abbas' PA.
