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[xmontrealer]

But no links to check the authenticity or what you might be leaving out.

Do you really think the current Jewish populations in the Arab countries as estimated in the Wikipedia tables above are significantly understated?

Also, feel free to search the subject on Wikipedia yourself. I only copied and pasted what seemed to be the most relevant information to make my point, and to be brief enough to fit in my post and not overwhelm the readers.

If you can find something on Wikipedia, or some other unbiased source to contradict what I posted, please post it yourself...

 

[Not getting younger]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711531520417223051

i'm going to give him more credit here. Mr. Trudeau being more forceful on his disdain for Hamas and those who have been publicly supporting them since the attacks.

Does he have a choice given western sentiment. Does he have much choice given a very recent screw up. Does he have much choice given the polls. While it is a far cry from his usual hopes and prayers with stand with Paris virtue signalling. Don’t give him too much. He is as credible as a drama teacher.

 

[Klatuu]

Do you really think the current Jewish populations in the Arab countries as estimated in the Wikipedia tables above are significantly understated?

Also, feel free to search the subject on Wikipedia yourself. I only copied and pasted what seemed to be the most relevant information to make my point, and to be brief enough to fit in my post and not overwhelm the readers.

If you can find something on Wikipedia, or some other non-biased source to contradict what I posted, please post it yourself...

No sources. No value. You are not providing sources for a reason.

 

[shack]

It is because of emigration to Israel. Israel's population has increased substantially since 1948 too and therefore less to do with intolerance. After all these people have lived together for centuries.

Obviously not. If that was the case, why were they spread out into so many other countries. That's hardly living together.

And if they did move back to Israel it was because they feared for their lives because of intolerance.

Do you think that we'd see the same kind of shift for Jews that lived in N. America in 1948 and now? I highly doubt it. Why? Because they do not fear for their lives.

For now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say that your post was stupid as opposed to other more appropriate adjectives.

 

[shack]

No sources. No value. You are not providing sources for a reason.

No evidence of error. No research on your part. Your objections are meaningless. You are objecting for a reason. Hatred.

 

[xmontrealer]

It is because of emigration to Israel. Israel's population has increased substantially since 1948 too and therefore less to do with intolerance. After all these people have lived together for centuries.

The 800,000 or so Jews in those Arab countries pre-1948 lived together with the Muslims for a great many years. After the State of Israel was created many Arab countries forced them to emigrate, either by direct edict, or by persecution. And even more so after the 1973 Yom Kippur war and other confrontations. Hence the further reduction in Jewish populations in Arab countries using 1972 as a baseline in the above tables.

 

[mitchell76]

 

[xmontrealer]

I provided sources that show emigration to Israel and a corresponding and substantial increase in population in Israel. That is what Zionism was about, to form a Jewish state. So it is understandable especially in the backdrop of WW2 and the holocaust that Jews moved to Israel, because it was established as a Jewish homeland.

To say it was because of intolerance is ignorance. Stop making up stories in your head.

So instead of calling my post stupid, you should give your head a shake instead.

More from Wikipedia. I tried to edit as little a possible, and the "copy" function left only links in some cases. Read the text. For greater detail click on the links.

Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran
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The Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran (Hebrew: יוֹם לְצִיּוֹן הָיְצִיאָה וְהַגִירוּשׁ שֶׁל הַיְהוּדִים מֵאַרְצוֹת עֲרָב וּמְאִירָאן Yōm ləṢīyyōn haYəṣīʾā vəhaGīrūš šel haYəhūdīm məʾArṣōt ʿĂrāv ūməʾĪrāʾn) is a National Day of Commemoration in Israel, observed every year on November 30th to memorialize the departure and expulsion of Jews from Arab countries and Iran.[1]
Background
The Knesset adopted the commemoration day into law on June 23, 2014.[2] November 30th was chosen due to its symbolic proximity to the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - adopted on November 29th, 1947 - after which many Jewish communities in Middle Eastern and North African countries started to experience pressure and hostility from their Arab and Persian neighbors that ultimately resulted in a large scale exodus of Jewish communities from these countries.[3][4] The law was sponsored by MK Shimon Ohayon of Yisrael Beiteinu.[5]
For many Mizrahi Jews in Israel it is considered to be a belated recognition of a collective trauma long ignored institutionally throughout the country’s history.[6][7][8][9]
Memorialization in Israel
On May 9, 2021, the first physical memorialization in Israel of the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from Arab lands and Iran was placed on the Sherover Promenade in Jerusalem.[10]
Jewish Departure and Expulsion Memorial from Arab Lands and Iran on the Sherover Promenade, Jerusalem
The text on the Memorial reads;
"With the birth of the State of Israel, over 850,000 Jews were forced from Arab Lands and Iran. The desperate refugees were welcomed by Israel.
By Act of the Knesset: Nov. 30, annually, is the Departure and Expulsion Memorial Day. Memorial donated by the Jewish American Society for Historic Preservation, With support from the World Sephardi Federation, City of Jerusalem and the Jerusalem Foundation"[11]
The sculpture is the interpretive work of Sam Philipe, a fifth generation Jerusalemite.[12][13]
See also

• Day of Revenge
• Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
• Mizrahi Jews in Israel
• Nakba Day

 

[shack]

I provided sources that show emigration to Israel and a corresponding and substantial increase in population in Israel. That is what Zionism was about, to form a Jewish state. So it is understandable especially in the backdrop of WW2 and the holocaust that Jews moved to Israel, because it was established as a Jewish homeland.

To say it was because of intolerance is ignorance. Stop making up stories in your head.

Show us the huge decline in numbers from North America or U.K. or Australia because of "Zionism" and a return to the homeland. If you can't then your claims are bogus.

If there isn't why not? It's because these places are tolerant towards Jews unlike the countries that xmontrealer listed.

Ok. I'll agree your post was not because of ignorance. It is because of your intolerance of Jews. Are you happy now?

p.s. The Jewish population has almost doubled in the U.S. since 1949/50 (and I suspect there was a huge increase between 1945 and then) from 4.5 million to 7.5 million as opposed to decreasing hundreds and thousands folds in the countries xmontrealer listed.

Why would that be. Why didn't aliyah make the Jewish population shrivel like it did in those other countries.

There is one and only one possible explanation, tolerance here and a lack thereof there. The Jews here (mostly) do not fear for their lives. But unfortunately because of hate spreaders and false narratives, it's getting worse.

 

[mitchell76]

 

[Frankfooter]

You have no point. This war was started by Hamas' terrorist attack on Israeli citizens. I am trying to get you to admit to that but you are failing gloriously.

Basketcase said Israel was at war with Gaza about two weeks ago, well before this round of violence.
Get him to explain to you when he thinks the Gaza/Israel war started.

Otherwise, look at the Oct 4 storming of Al Aqsa as the start of this round of violence.
Oh, but you can't, you can't admit any wrongdoing by Israelis, can you?

 

[Frankfooter]

So it is Frank's tactic of gaslighting a discussion, where he surreptitiously calls every Israeli a terrorist, while throwing in the perfunctory, "Hamas is a terrorist group" statement, because that is undeniable.

The other day he did the same thing, where he said Zionists and Nazis were the same thing. I mean Nazis who sought to wipe out Jews from the planet were the same as people wanting to establish a Jewish state (even if I do not agree with the non-secular nature of it)?

No, I have never said either of those two things.
That is gaslighting.

This is a balanced statement by the UN.

• A United Nations commission says there is already “clear evidence” of war crimes committed by Hamas and Israel, including the targeting of civilians.

If you were truly balanced or unbiased you'd back a call for both sides to be investigated for 'terrorism', which is 'targeting of civilians'.
But you support terrorism by some and not others.

 

[richaceg]

Basketcase said Israel was at war with Gaza about two weeks ago, well before this round of violence.
Get him to explain to you when he thinks the Gaza/Israel war started.

Otherwise, look at the Oct 4 storming of Al Aqsa as the start of this round of violence.
Oh, but you can't, you can't admit any wrongdoing by Israelis, can you?

Don't mistaken war with massacre...Hamas didn't target military installations and out posts...they were out for blood...civilians or not....IDF don't target civilians....collateral damage is inevitable when your enemy uses civilians as human shields...Hamas are terrorists...NATO members said so...Biden said so... Trudeau said so....

 

[Frankfooter]

Don't mistaken war with massacre...Hamas didn't target military installations and out posts...they were out for blood...civilians or not....IDF don't target civilians....collateral damage is inevitable when your enemy uses civilians as human shields...Hamas are terrorists...NATO members said so...Biden said so... Trudeau said so....

Wrong twice.
Hamas targeted Israeli outposts along the prison walls, including the security towers.
Israel is targeting schools and apartments in Gaza.

Both sides have targeted civilians, which is the definition of terrorism.
They are both the same.

Amid Israeli attacks, Gaza schools no longer safe spaces
Residents across the Gaza Strip have sought shelter in UN-run schools. But schools too have been targeted by Israel.

 

[Frankfooter]

I did. Read my posts. I called out both as racist and as violating each other's human rights as evidenced by the HRW article.

I was commenting on your argumentation style. You cannot compare Hamas to Zionists. That is not a valid comparison. Every Israeli or the majority of them is a Zionist. Every Palestinian is not a Hamas militant. Hamas is a faction. Zionism is an identity.

It is the same thing you were doing the other day calling Khalistanis Sikhs. Khalistanis are Sikhs. Sikhs are not Khalistanis.

Or your argument that Zionists and Nazis were the same, which is at the very least offensive.

Both Hamas and Israel are acting like terrorists so its fair to make that comparison on that level.

Sure, Hamas represents a religious subset of the indigenous population while the Israeli government represents a colonial settler, racist movement.
They are different that way, along with international support and funding.

For the Khalistani argument, that was in reference to your comments about Sikhs, where you specifically attacked all Sikhs, not just Khalistanis.

Zionism is still an element, there are numerous Jewish groups that are anti zionist. Its not the identity of the entire people. Nor is it even the identity of all Jewish Israelis. Read Haaretz or B'tselem reports. Hamas was the democratically elected government of Gaza, though they are as popular now as the Netanyahu government and Abbas' PA.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Leveling Gaza and obliterating Palestinians isn't going to solve the issue.

But for short term optics this is a war that the West can get behind and "win" on camera.

No coverage of Ukraine despite billions being sent into that Nazi hole... probably because we're failing miserably against Putin.

 

[shack]

I am sure North America had immigration post WW2. North America and Israel were the countries most Jews moved to post WW2. For a better life.

And am sure there was some retaliation after the 1948 ethnic cleansing allegations. But the majority wanted to move to more developed places or to their Jewish homeland.

Please read my p.s. to my post.

Here it is:
p.s. The Jewish population has almost doubled in the U.S. since 1949/50 (and I suspect there was a huge increase between 1945 and then) from 4.5 million to 7.5 million as opposed to decreasing hundreds and thousands folds in the countries xmontrealer listed.

Why would that be. Why didn't aliyah make the Jewish population shrivel like it did in those other countries.

There is one and only one possible explanation, tolerance here and a lack thereof there. The Jews here (mostly) do not fear for their lives. But unfortunately because of hate spreaders and false narratives, it's getting worse.

Aliya is Aliya, and Jews (Zionists) in the U.S. would hold the same ideals as in other countries. Return to Israel.

You should substitute the word "developed" for "tolerant" places. Jews are safer in N. America than those other countries. That's why the number of Jews has nearly doubled, even with aliya.

 

[shack]

Basketcase said Israel was at war with Gaza about two weeks ago, well before this round of violence.
Get him to explain to you when he thinks the Gaza/Israel war started.

Otherwise, look at the Oct 4 storming of Al Aqsa as the start of this round of violence.
Oh, but you can't, you can't admit any wrongdoing by Israelis, can you?

Sorry. Which post # of mine was the one that you quoted?

 

[oral.com]

I don't follow much Israel news, so was the rocket attack a retaliation for storming the Al-Aqsa mosque? Not an unprovoked one?

It’s far less confusing when you put

I am SHOCKED that the righties are suddenly no longer interested in backing Muslim religious protests!!!

SHOCKED!!!!!

Unlike the anti LGTBQ Muslim protests which were applauded by the righties, I don't see a single Republican asshole parading with these Muslims and cheering them on. I guess the righties just exploit Muslim grievances when its politically useful, huh?

I will add you to my list of peaceful opposition

 

[Butler1000]

No the west is not in decline. But yes, the third world is definitely on the rise. Temporary economic downturns, government policy etc are not indicative of decline in long term growth or potential because by arguing so, you wouldn't be accounting for corrective actions by said governments. That is very Peter Zeihan-ish infact.

Except Peter is the one saying they are toast.