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shack

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I stated that killing won't end violence, you said using nukes in Japan stopped the killing.
All in the context of Israel/Palestine.
Wrong putting words in my mouth is another big lie. I said that the bombs on Japan ended the war and you agreed. I said absolutely nothing else.

But that is your style. When you can't win a debate with facts and honesty, you resort to sleaze.

No wonder you support terrorists. Birds of a feather....
 
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Frankfooter

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Wrong putting words in my mouth is another big lie. I said that the bombs on Japan ended the war and you agreed. I said absolutely nothing else.

But that is your style. When you can't win a debate with facts and honesty, you resort to sleaze.

No wonder you support terrorists. Birds of a feather....
All you're doing is proving my point.
Zionists are no different from Hamas.

You support targeting civilians, so does Hamas.
You won't call out terrorism, same with Hamas.

Only one person here is refusing to call out both sides.
 

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360,000 troops called up, and reports the PM told Biden "we are going in".

Sounds like they plan to make sure no more rockets, tunnels are left.
 

shack

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You're putting words in my mouth.
I've already called you out on this lie and you couldn't back it up.
So stop lying.
I am absolutely not. Allow me to prove it.

Question. Did you believe that after the initial terrorist attack on civilians by Hamas that Israel would respond by attacking Hamas in Gaza or did you think that they would just take it and do nothing? Were you right or were you wrong?
 

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Another one sided comment.

Because would any Israeli supporter here say they recognize Palestine's right to exist and Palestinians right to self determination or even Palestinians right to self defence?

No country has a 'right to exist', by the way. That's nonsense.
No problem adding onto the question that Israel would have to recognize an independent Palestinian state.
 

shack

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Like I said, no matter what I say you won't accept it.
Can you say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."

I composed this statement, so obviously if you repeat it, I would have to accept it but don't change it or add anything. Do not mention Israel. It is a simple statement for an avowed pacifist such as you.

My bet is that you are incapable of repeating this quote because you hate Israel and Jews so much it would kill you to repeat/admit that. Not being able to repeat that quote proves that what I say about you is 100% correct. You actually support Hamas' latest attack.
 

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One side fights threats to their existence
One side fights to eliminate...
Which do you support?
Reality and history shows the Palestinians are fighting for their existence and the Israelis are trying to eliminate them.

I support the Palestinians.
 

Frankfooter

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I am absolutely not. Allow me to prove it.

Question. Did you believe that after the initial terrorist attack on civilians by Hamas that Israel would respond by attacking Hamas in Gaza or did you think that they would just take it and do nothing? Were you right or were you wrong?
This round of violence started with 1000 settlers storming the Al Aqsa on Oct 4, the same way the last round of violence in 2021 started, with thousands of settlers storming the Al Aqsa.

Basketcase cheered those settlers on and called them quiet and peaceful.
Was he right or was he wrong?

Have you ever called out settler terrorism?
 

Frankfooter

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Can you say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."

I composed this statement, so obviously if you repeat it, I would have to accept it but don't change it or add anything. Do not mention Israel. It is a simple statement for an avowed pacifist such as you.

My bet is that you are incapable of repeating this quote because you hate Israel and Jews so much it would kill you to repeat/admit that. Not being able to repeat that quote proves that what I say about you is 100% correct. You actually support Hamas' latest attack.
I've already replied to this tactic multiple times, including twice in the last couple of times and multiple times in February.
There is no answer you accept so I refuse to play along.

I've called out violence from both sides.
Why can't you?

 

shack

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All you're doing is proving my point.
You have no point. This war was started by Hamas' terrorist attack on Israeli citizens. I am trying to get you to admit to that but you are failing gloriously.
 
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360,000 troops called up, and reports the PM told Biden "we are going in".

Sounds like they plan to make sure no more rockets, tunnels are left.
I cannot imagine the casualties in urban warfare of that magnitude. Every house is a fortress. There will be so much bloodshed 😞
 

shack

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This round of violence started with 1000 settlers storming the Al Aqsa on Oct 4, the same way the last round of violence in 2021 started, with thousands of settlers storming the Al Aqsa.

Basketcase cheered those settlers on and called them quiet and peaceful.
Was he right or was he wrong?

Have you ever called out settler terrorism?
Please stay on topic. It was a simple question. How it started is irrelevant.

The point is that Hamas launched an attack on Israel.

Did you think that Israel would retaliate for this attack or not?
 
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Kautilya

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I asked for you to cite it. Not provide me with some vague declaration of a war crime.

That is the only way we can have context to understand what you are referencing.
Cite what? The HRW write up? It is there in the previous pages. Scroll back.
 

Kautilya

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Personally I blame Netanyahu and the hard core religious fundamentalists in Israel who are just as bad as hardcore Muslim fundamentalists. I also blame the neighboring Arab countries for doing fuck all to alleviate the situation for the inhabitants of Gaza.
Welp! Mugabe is capable of a balanced view after all!
 

Kautilya

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Israel is not our concern just like Ukraine is not our concern.

The good news is that more people are waking up to this. In the coming years, Israel will garner less support from the West.

As the quality of life among Westerners declines, news of sending billions in war machines and welfare to foreign nations like Israel will be heavily criticized by all.

As the West imports more immigrants across the world, less of the population will be concerned with Israel's affairs. Chinese, Africans, Indians, South Americans don't care about Israel nor should they.
You are in your own world, aren't you Harry? 😂
 

Kautilya

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tell me who is these terror group "zionist" referring to?
I know Hamas is identified by almost all NATO members as terrorists....never heard them mention this terrorist group called "zionists" at all...
That is the thing with Frank. He will lump everything together, which is lazy. An Israeli who is nationalistic, is a Zionist. Does that make him or her a terrorist? Hamas on the other hand is a faction, that conducts attacks on Israeli civilians. They are terrorist. So it is Frank's tactic of gaslighting a discussion, where he surreptitiously calls every Israeli a terrorist, while throwing in the perfunctory, "Hamas is a terrorist group" statement, because that is undeniable.

The other day he did the same thing, where he said Zionists and Nazis were the same thing. I mean Nazis who sought to wipe out Jews from the planet were the same as people wanting to establish a Jewish state (even if I do not agree with the non-secular nature of it)? 🤷‍♂️
 
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