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richaceg

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I'm not sure that he has specifically said that "Hamas is a terrorist organization". He always dances around it.

I see he posted a link to a list of organizations that Canada considers terrorists. But he neglects to say if he agrees that Hamas are terrorists, just what Canada says. But he pretends that because he listed Canada's list, it proves that he's condemned Hamas.

Can he say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."
He called them terrorists as long as you include that "zionists" are terrorists too...
 

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I condemn Hamas targeting civilians at a rave.
I condemn Israel targeting civilians in Gaza.
I condemn an illegal occupation.
I condemn apartheid.
I condemn racists on both sides.

When will you condemn violence against Palestinian civilians?
When will you stop sounding like the settlers attacking Huwara?
So you are incapable of condemning Hamas without mentioning Israel and justifying Hamas' terrorist attacks by blaming Israel.

And why do you just mention the rave but list a bunch of things about Israel. What about the whole invasion.

Can you say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."
 

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He called them terrorists as long as you include that "zionists" are terrorists too...
I'd like to see him repeat the quote I gave for him. There is no mention of Israel for him to use as justification. He always justifies attacks by Hamas and other terrorists.

Can you, Frank, say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."

Do not mention Israel as justification. What Hamas did was a terrorist attack in and of itself.
 

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I don't support violence by either side.
We need to force both sides to abide by international law but to do so also requires dealing with Israel's illegal occupation and use of apartheid rule.

Take Hamas leaders and Israeli leaders to the Hague and charge them for everything. All the attacks on civilians, all the war crimes, everything.
Then use BDS to end apartheid.

That is the only non violent path forward left.
Just curious Frankfooter, do you believe Palestinians and surrounding Arab nations should recognize Israel's right to exist and guarantee their security?
 

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This doesn't justify the attacks on civilians by Hamas, they been planning this since Netanyahu went hard right. The hostages will not survive and the IDF will turn Gaza City into dust. The kill ratio of the IDF raids into West Bank towns was 15 Palestinians to one Israeli killed. Neither side values human life.
This is sadly a war like it or not, declared or not. The Allies in WWII killed thousands and thousands of civilians. I'm sure there were quite a few Germans who didn't support the Nazis.

If you have a method for surgically removing Hamas terrorists, we're all ears.
 

richaceg

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Rich wasn't talking only about Hamas when he said this:


Of course he also didn't bring up using nukes as a way to end the violence.
Where in my statements i refer anybody else other than Hamas? I just started posting in this thread today. Keep dodging.... why would I bring up nukes? I don't think nukes would solve anything...
 
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I have not read his posts but in the past he has said that there are no civilians in Israel because of complicity military service everyone is or has been in the IDF. he is very cut about definitions like when they talk about the occupation what exactly is occupied territory. Completely dishonest Jew hater and hence I blocked him.
This is the problem with encouraging extremists on a political forum. I simply called him a Marxist and the usual sponsors rallied to his side.

His anti-Western, anti-Israel beliefs are always just below the surface.
 

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Rich wasn't talking only about Hamas when he said this:

Of course he also didn't bring up using nukes as a way to end the violence.
Neither did I. Don't you get tired of lying?

I stated that it has happened. Do you agree?

Now show me where I said that I was suggesting it, that Israel should do it.

And now you are lying/putting words into my and other people's mouths.
Where in my statements i refer anybody else other than Hamas?
That's what frank does. He deliberately misinterprets.

Frank, don't you get tired of being sleazy all the time.

With the amount of attacks on you being launched from all sides, you should just give up. You are fooling no one. Look how many people know that you hate Jews and Israel and they are calling you out. Go listen to some Roger Waters songs to soothe you.

Maybe it's time for you to change your name again.
 
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Where in my statements i refer anybody else other than Hamas? I just started posting in this thread today. Keep dodging.... why would I bring up nukes? I don't think nukes would solve anything...
All he does is lie, put words in people's mouths and support violence even if it means the deaths of refugees and children in Gaza.
 

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Just curious Frankfooter, do you believe Palestinians and surrounding Arab nations should recognize Israel's right to exist and guarantee their security?
Another one sided comment.

Because would any Israeli supporter here say they recognize Palestine's right to exist and Palestinians right to self determination or even Palestinians right to self defence?

No country has a 'right to exist', by the way. That's nonsense.
 

Frankfooter

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Neither did I. Don't you get tired of lying?

I stated that it has happened. Do you agree?
I stated that killing won't end violence, you said using nukes in Japan stopped the killing.
All in the context of Israel/Palestine.
 

Frankfooter

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All he does is lie, put words in people's mouths and support violence even if it means the deaths of refugees and children in Gaza.
You're putting words in my mouth.
I've already called you out on this lie and you couldn't back it up.
So stop lying.
 

Frankfooter

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So you are incapable of condemning Hamas without mentioning Israel and justifying Hamas' terrorist attacks by blaming Israel.

And why do you just mention the rave but list a bunch of things about Israel. What about the whole invasion.

Can you say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."
Like I said, no matter what I say you won't accept it.
You pulled this trick in February and I called you out for it then.

Meanwhile you refuse to condemn Israeli terrorism.

Why won't you ever condemn Israeli terrorism?
Why won't you ever condemn an illegal occupation?
Why won't you condemn apartheid?
 

WyattEarp

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It was an excerpt from HRW. I am not sure why there needs to be an international agreement, when it objectively clear that it is a war crime.
I asked for you to cite it. Not provide me with some vague declaration of a war crime.

That is the only way we can have context to understand what you are referencing.
 

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I stated that killing won't end violence, you said using nukes in Japan stopped the killing.
All in the context of Israel/Palestine.
Wrong putting words in my mouth is another big lie. I said that the bombs on Japan ended the war and you agreed. I said absolutely nothing else.

But that is your style. When you can't win a debate with facts and honesty, you resort to sleaze.

No wonder you support terrorists. Birds of a feather....
 
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Frankfooter

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Wrong putting words in my mouth is another big lie. I said that the bombs on Japan ended the war and you agreed. I said absolutely nothing else.

But that is your style. When you can't win a debate with facts and honesty, you resort to sleaze.

No wonder you support terrorists. Birds of a feather....
All you're doing is proving my point.
Zionists are no different from Hamas.

You support targeting civilians, so does Hamas.
You won't call out terrorism, same with Hamas.

Only one person here is refusing to call out both sides.
 
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