Israel at war

[Frankfooter]

tell me who is these terror group "zionist" referring to?
I know Hamas is identified by almost all NATO members as terrorists....never heard them mention this terrorist group called "zionists" at all...

JEWISH-ZIONIST TERRORISM AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ISRAEL

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Both Hamas and the hardcore zionists are terrorists.
Take them both to the Hague and put them on trial.

 

[Frankfooter]

I have not read his posts but in the past he has said that there are no civilians in Israel because of complicity military service everyone is or has been in the IDF. he is very cut about definitions like when they talk about the occupation what exactly is occupied territory. Completely dishonest Jew hater and hence I blocked him.

From the Israeli human rights organization, B'tselem.

https://www.btselem.org/settler_violence_updates_list?date_from=&date_to=&location=203636&page=28

 

[WyattEarp]

What has Trump done? What has PeePee done?

I'm getting very confused by this line of debate.

 

[toguy5252]

Yea. I tried to find references to Jews persecuting and killing Christians through the centuries. Seems to be no record of such.

If you have ever been to Israel, and is obvious that frankie and the other Jew haters have not, and if you ignore the propaganda, you find a country in which Jews, Christians and Muslims enjoy equal rights. Yes Hebrew is the national language but most services are available in Hebrew and Arabic. No the Palestinians do not get the own national anthem in Israel etc. they vote they elect members to the kenesset etc. Is Isreal perfect? Of course not. have they made mistakes? of course. Could they make things better for Palestinians? of course. but look at the big picture and compare the rights of non-jews in Isreal to non-muslims in arabic countries. There is no comparison.

 

[richaceg]

JEWISH-ZIONIST TERRORISM AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ISRAEL

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OJP is the federal government’s leading source of funding and research to strengthen the justice system, support law enforcement, and enhance victim services.

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Both Hamas and the hardcore zionists are terrorists.
Take them both to the Hague and put them on trial.

I thought you're not into conspiracy theories franky? You're just grasping straws now...LOL

NCJ Number

57642

Author(s)

J L PEEKE
Date Published

1977
Length

129 pages
Annotation
THE ACTIVITIES OF THREE JEWISH TERRORIST GROUPS IN THEIR QUEST FOR A JEWISH STATE ARE DISCUSSED AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE HISTORICAL EVENTS OF WORLD WAR II.
Abstract
TRACED CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE FORMATION OF THE HAGANAH, THE IRGUN AWAI LEUMI, AND THE LOHAMEI HERUT, THEIR MILITARY AND PARAMILITARY GROUPS, THEIR ORGANIZATION, LEADERSHIP PHILOSOPHY AND ACTIONS ARE SHOWN TO BE INSEPARABLE IN THEIR OPERATIONS AND THEIR STRONG ZIONIST AIMS. THESE THREE GROUPS ATTACKED THE BRITISH ADMINISTRATION AND THEIR WHITE PAPER POLICY, THE ARABS, HITLER, AND FOUGHT IN THEIR OWN CIVIL WAR. IN EXAMINING ASPECTS OF THEIR ROLE IN THE ULTIMATE CREATION OF A JEWISH STATE, IT IS CONCLUDED THAT: (1) JEWISH TERRORISM AGAINST BRITISH AND ARABS DID CONTRIBUTE HEAVILY TO THE REMOVAL OF THE BRITISH FROM PALESTINE, THE ABANDONMENT OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS MANDATE AND THE CREATION OF A JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL; (2) THERE WERE NO PRACTICALLY AFFORDABLE ALTERNATIVES TO YIELDING THE MANDATE AVAILABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF GREAT BRITAIN BECAUSE OF THE COHESIVENESS OF THE TERRORISTS AND THEIR SOPHISTICATION; AND (3) THERE IS NO TRUE CONCLUSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THESE DISSIDENT GROUPS POSED A THREAT TO THE STATE OF ISRAEL AS PERCEIVED BY THE RULER AT THAT TIME, DAVID BEN-GURION; HOWEVER MUCH THEY HAVE POSED A THREAT TO THE PERSONAL POWER OF BEN-GURION, IT IS CONCLUDED THAT THEY PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT PART IN THE CREATION OF THE JEWISH STATE. A BIBLIOGRAPHY AND REFERENCE NOTES ARE PROVIDED. (MHP)
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[shack]

Bullshit, you are lying.
There is one at the top of this page.

I don't support violence by either side.
We need to force both sides to abide by international law but to do so also requires dealing with Israel's illegal occupation and use of apartheid rule.

There it is buddy. You love using that line that is so totally generic that it means nothing. What I also see is that, once again, you specifically mention Israel and try to justify Hamas' action. What I don't see is you specifically condemning Hamas as well.

Can you condemn Hamas' actions without mentioning Israel?

Can you say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."

You brought up nukes as the only way to end violence with violence.
That's not a lie.

Of course it's a lie. I never said "only". Diplomacy is another option, but you prefer the violent approach. You stated that "killing never ends violence". I refuted your assertion by pointing out a case where it did with Japan. That is a historical truth. Nothing more, nothing less. Once again you are trying to put words in my mouth. You are either dumb or dishonourable. Your choice. There is no wrong answer.

Bullshit, I listed multiple international Jewish peace groups who are against the racial supremacy and violence you support.
Totally different.

Can you also post a list of terrorist groups and countries that support violence against Israel? Once again, you only condemn Israel and never the other side.

Bullshit, you pull this tactic repeatedly to try to shut down debate, as you did here in February where I called you out and proved you lie.

It only shuts down your ability to debate because you can't back up your claims.

To repeat, can you say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."

 

[dirtyharry555]

Israel is not our concern just like Ukraine is not our concern.

The good news is that more people are waking up to this. In the coming years, Israel will garner less support from the West.

As the quality of life among Westerners declines, news of sending billions in war machines and welfare to foreign nations like Israel will be heavily criticized by all.

As the West imports more immigrants across the world, less of the population will be concerned with Israel's affairs. Chinese, Africans, Indians, South Americans don't care about Israel nor should they.

 

[WyattEarp]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711475235105730917

Let's dial down this crazy line of rhetoric that conservatives have all the answers in the Mideast. No country can protect their citizens in Israel.

You don't want to be the conservative counterpart to Frank spray painting the political threads with lame rhetoric and partisan cheerleading.

 

[Frankfooter]

I thought you're not into conspiracy theories franky? You're just grasping straws now...LOL

NCJ Number

57642

Author(s)

J L PEEKE
Date Published

1977
Length

129 pages
Annotation
THE ACTIVITIES OF THREE JEWISH TERRORIST GROUPS IN THEIR QUEST FOR A JEWISH STATE ARE DISCUSSED AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE HISTORICAL EVENTS OF WORLD WAR II.
Abstract
TRACED CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE FORMATION OF THE HAGANAH, THE IRGUN AWAI LEUMI, AND THE LOHAMEI HERUT, THEIR MILITARY AND PARAMILITARY GROUPS, THEIR ORGANIZATION, LEADERSHIP PHILOSOPHY AND ACTIONS ARE SHOWN TO BE INSEPARABLE IN THEIR OPERATIONS AND THEIR STRONG ZIONIST AIMS. THESE THREE GROUPS ATTACKED THE BRITISH ADMINISTRATION AND THEIR WHITE PAPER POLICY, THE ARABS, HITLER, AND FOUGHT IN THEIR OWN CIVIL WAR. IN EXAMINING ASPECTS OF THEIR ROLE IN THE ULTIMATE CREATION OF A JEWISH STATE, IT IS CONCLUDED THAT: (1) JEWISH TERRORISM AGAINST BRITISH AND ARABS DID CONTRIBUTE HEAVILY TO THE REMOVAL OF THE BRITISH FROM PALESTINE, THE ABANDONMENT OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS MANDATE AND THE CREATION OF A JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL; (2) THERE WERE NO PRACTICALLY AFFORDABLE ALTERNATIVES TO YIELDING THE MANDATE AVAILABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF GREAT BRITAIN BECAUSE OF THE COHESIVENESS OF THE TERRORISTS AND THEIR SOPHISTICATION; AND (3) THERE IS NO TRUE CONCLUSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THESE DISSIDENT GROUPS POSED A THREAT TO THE STATE OF ISRAEL AS PERCEIVED BY THE RULER AT THAT TIME, DAVID BEN-GURION; HOWEVER MUCH THEY HAVE POSED A THREAT TO THE PERSONAL POWER OF BEN-GURION, IT IS CONCLUDED THAT THEY PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT PART IN THE CREATION OF THE JEWISH STATE. A BIBLIOGRAPHY AND REFERENCE NOTES ARE PROVIDED. (MHP)
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National Technical Information Service
Address
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Publication Type
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Note
NAVAL POSTGRADUATE SCHOOL - MASTER'S THESIS

Both sides are terrorists, rich. Irgun, Kach and lately settlers have all been called terrorists.

Currently listed entities

Introduction to the terms of reference and listing of terrorist entities according to Canada's Anti-Terrorism Act

www.publicsafety.gc.ca

US calls suspected Israeli settler attack terrorism

The sharpened language appears to reflect frustration with surging violence in the occupied West Bank.

www.reuters.com

There is a history of terrorism from both sides but one side has also gotten way more sympathy.

Why is it wrong to call for both sides to be fully investigated by the ICC, anyone accused of war crimes like terrorism or apartheid be charged and for international law to be applied to both sides equally?

Why is it wrong to call for equal rights and the end of apartheid?

 

[WyattEarp]

Israeli authorities’ cutting off electricity to Gaza and other punitive measures against Gaza’s civilian population would amount to unlawful collective punishment, which is a war crime. The laws of war apply to all parties to a conflict, irrespective of the lawfulness of their going to war or imbalances of power between the parties.

You would have to cite something more specific in international agreements for us to understand the validity of this argument.

As a side point, if there is an international agreement it is likely Israel is not a signer to such an agreement. The UN and other international bodies tend to try to limit Israel's ability to exercise their sovereign rights in defending themselves and retaliating against their enemies.

 

[WyattEarp]

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yeah like Egyptians are dumb enough to take them

Even if f there was enough money in it for them?

What is the current hourly rate for babysitting?

 

[richaceg]

Both sides are terrorists, rich. Irgun, Kach and lately settlers have all been called terrorists.

Currently listed entities

Introduction to the terms of reference and listing of terrorist entities according to Canada's Anti-Terrorism Act

www.publicsafety.gc.ca

US calls suspected Israeli settler attack terrorism

The sharpened language appears to reflect frustration with surging violence in the occupied West Bank.

www.reuters.com

There is a history of terrorism from both sides but one side has also gotten way more sympathy.

Why is it wrong to call for both sides to be fully investigated by the ICC, anyone accused of war crimes like terrorism or apartheid be charged and for international law to be applied to both sides equally?

Why is it wrong to call for equal rights and the end of apartheid?

Is Hamas actions justified? you said it yourself they are terrorists and in this event, they are the aggressor...yet you don't condemn them (not that i care if you do or do not, but I know you won't)
One side fights threats to their existence
One side fights to eliminate...
Which do you support?

 

[shack]

Hamas targeted civilians at rave, Israel is targeting civilians in apartment buildings, schools and hospitals using much more lethal weapons.

We all know that Hamas targeted civilians at rave. But I don't see you condemning it.

Can you say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."

It's also so typically funny that you have to add in that Israel uses more lethal weapons. Once again, a condemnation of Israel but nothing about Hamas.

 

[Frankfooter]

There it is buddy. You love using that line that is so totally generic that it means nothing. What I also see is that, once again, you specifically mention Israel and try to justify Hamas' action. What I don't see is you specifically condemning Hamas as well.

Can you condemn Hamas' actions without mentioning Israel?

Can you say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."


Of course it's a lie. I never said "only". Diplomacy is another option, but you prefer the violent approach. You stated that "killing never ends violence". I refuted your assertion by pointing out a case where it did with Japan. That is a historical truth. Nothing more, nothing less. Once again you are trying to put words in my mouth. You are either dumb or dishonourable. Your choice. There is no wrong answer.


Can you also post a list of terrorist groups and countries that support violence against Israel? Once again, you only condemn Israel and never the other side.


It only shuts down your ability to debate because you can't back up your claims.

To repeat, can you say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."

Your first line says you admit I did what you asked and condemned the violence but you won't accept it.
There it is.

Meanwhile you have never condemned any violence by Israelis or admitted that occupying Palestine for 75 years could have anything to do with the violence. Nor have you ever stated you think Palestinians are human beings deserving basic human rights.

Even when the US calls an act 'terrorism' you won't call acts by Jews 'terrorism'.
Why?

The only path to peace you've suggested here is the Japanese example of nuking civilians and then you call others terrorists.

 

[Frankfooter]

Is Hamas actions justified? you said it yourself they are terrorists and in this event, they are the aggressor...yet you don't condemn them (not that i care if you do or do not, but I know you won't)
One side fights threats to their existence
One side fights to eliminate...
Which do you support?

Accusing an entire people of being genocidal is hate speech.

I don't support Hamas or the Zionist movement.
I support ending the violence so Palestinians and Jews can live peacefully together through ending apartheid and decolonization.

Take them all to the Hague.
End apartheid.

 

[Frankfooter]

We all know that Hamas targeted civilians at rave. But I don't see you condemning it.

Can you say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."

It's also so typically funny that you have to add in that Israel uses more lethal weapons. Once again, a condemnation of Israel but nothing about Hamas.

I condemn Hamas targeting civilians at a rave.
I condemn Israel targeting civilians in Gaza.
I condemn an illegal occupation.
I condemn apartheid.
I condemn racists on both sides.

When will you condemn violence against Palestinian civilians?
When will you stop sounding like the settlers attacking Huwara?

 

[shack]

you said it yourself they are terrorists and in this event, they are the aggressor.

I'm not sure that he has specifically said that "Hamas is a terrorist organization". He always dances around it.

I see he posted a link to a list of organizations that Canada considers terrorists. But he neglects to say if he agrees that Hamas are terrorists, just what Canada says. But he pretends that because he listed Canada's list, it proves that he's condemned Hamas.

Can he say this: "I condemn Hamas' latest terrorist attacks against civilians. They were immoral, they should not have happened and they should not happen again."

 

[shack]

Accusing an entire people of being genocidal is hate speech.

Hamas is not a "people". They are an organization.

 

[richaceg]

Accusing an entire people of being genocidal is hate speech.

I don't support Hamas or the Zionist movement.
I support ending the violence so Palestinians and Jews can live peacefully together through ending apartheid and decolonization.

Take them all to the Hague.
End apartheid.

This group of people? this is their fucking MO...and to call them genocidal is hate speech?...you're splitting hairs...
Hamas was established soon after the first Intifada in 1987. Campaigning on using armed resistance to end the Israeli occupation, it won the 2006 Palestinian legislative election, gained a majority in the Palestinian parliament, and became the de facto governing authority of the Gaza Strip after 2007.

 

[WyattEarp]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711500356658594101

I don't really think of Pride displays and support as political. My decision to support Israel today is political in nature.