Im hopeful, it doesn’t spread. Either drag others into it, or others seeing opportunity for more chaos.
Time will tell.
Israel at war
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Time will tell.
This war is depressing me to no end, it could have been avoided....I need a moment of levity.
Part II.
Part II.
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I don't support violence by either side.
We need to force both sides to abide by international law but to do so also requires dealing with Israel's illegal occupation and use of apartheid rule.
Take Hamas leaders and Israeli leaders to the Hague and charge them for everything. All the attacks on civilians, all the war crimes, everything.
Then use BDS to end apartheid.
That is the only non violent path forward left.
“I grieve the Palestinian and Israeli lives lost yesterday, today, and every day,” Tlaib said. “I am determined as ever to fight for a just future where everyone can live in peace, without fear and with true freedom, equal rights, and human dignity. The path to that future must include lifting the blockade, ending the occupation and dismantling the apartheid system that creates the suffocating, dehumanizing conditions that can lead to resistance.
“The failure to recognize the violent reality of living under siege, occupation, and apartheid makes no one safer,” she said. “No person, no child anywhere should have to suffer or live in fear of violence. We cannot ignore the humanity in each other. As long as our country provides billions in unconditional funding to support the apartheid government, this heartbreaking cycle of violence will continue.”
That is already happening. Rocket launchers are placed in apartment buildings. Death is the currency of Hamas. When Israelis are killed people like frankie and his friends will celebrate as a step towards victory. When a Palestinian is killed it will be a war crime. There is no symmetry. The ultimate losers here after all the death and destruction will be the Palestinian people and the Palestinian cause. If the 2 state solution was not already dead it is at lease deferred for many years. frankie and his friends should be very proud. By the way I have had him on ignore for a long time so i will not hear nor do i care about his attempts to justify or rationalize the barabarism of Hamas.
Israeli supporters are just like Hamas.
For someone like toguy, death is also his currency.
The only thing I agree with in this post is that the two state solution is dead.
Which leaves only a campaign to deescalate both sides and end apartheid through international sanctions.
Hamas targeted civilians at rave, Israel is targeting civilians in apartment buildings, schools and hospitals using much more lethal weapons.
Israeli air raids hit residences, schools across Gaza: UN rights chief
Israeli air attacks on Gaza have struck residential buildings, including large tower blocks, as well as schools and UN buildings resulting in civilian casualties, the UN’s human rights chief has said, citing information gathered by his office.
“International humanitarian law is clear: the obligation to take constant care to spare the civilian population and civilian objects remains applicable throughout the attacks,” Volker Turk said in a statement.
How can anyone support this?
End the violence and then end apartheid.
You got it. Amongst many other things, he is not an honourable debater.That is Frank's tactic. He will just conclude that you said something which you did not, and then proceed to quote you, which will show you that you actually did not say what Frank alleges you are saying and then he will conclude that his original conclusion about what you said was still right. He did that to me in another thread.
I said no such thing. I said that killing can lead to peace refuting your statement that killing never leads to peace. I just happened to cite an example where a nuke was used. As always you project your own thoughts onto other people.
Did Japan surrender after the U.S. dropped those 2 bombs? Yes or no?
Clearly you are. You've already said you support the killing of refugees and children in Gaza as long as Hamas gets to kill some Jews.
Still waiting for you, the peace lover who wants the Mideast situation resolved peacefully, to produce your quote where you condemned this attack on Israel.
All you've done is justify it by saying it happened because of 75 years of occupation. You approve the violence.
Backhanded, unsupported claims about lying are hardly honourable themselves, shack.
I said killing never leads to peace. You said Japan dropping nukes lead to peace. Now you're trying to backtrack.
Should I be more specific for you? How about saying that violence has never ended an occupation or lead to a peaceful occupation.
Is that a more reasonable question for you?
That is a disgustingly dishonourable lie.
I have never said any such thing.
That is one of the most disgusting lies I've read on this board. Ever.
Hamas and zionists are both the same and leaders from both should be taken to the Hague, tried and locked away for a long time.
I condemn violence towards civilians by both sides.
Hamas has a right to self defence from an illegal blockade, illegal occupation and apartheid rule but they have no right to target civilians.
Israel has no right to an illegal occupation and apartheid rule and no right to target civilians to defend crimes against humanity.
Both sides should cease all violence immediately and the world should start a campaign to end apartheid through sanctions.
Israelis are blaming this attack on Netanyahu. He is responsible for running the apartheid occupation and 10 years of no peace talks.
From Haaretz
Editorial | Netanyahu Bears Responsibility for This Israel-Gaza War
That's why I don't lie. Unlike you.
Not in the slightest. I explained/defended my comment. Just because you couldn't twist it around to your hateful narrative is not my fault.
Once again, did the war with Japan end after the bombs and has there been peace with Japan since? Of course it did. That, in and of itself, was my point.
I'm glad that I upset you by telling the truth.
And there you go, once again, trying to justify the Hamas attack instead of condemning it. You are so transparently hateful of Jews.
You have yet to produce your post where you condemned this attack, even though you are against violence from either side. Somewhere on the first page or two. Surely it must have been part of your first post on this topic because you feel so strongly on this topic. Show us frank.
Where in this thread did you make that post?
Here's a couple of your 1st posts in this thread. Where is the condemnation of Hamas attacking civilians, that you say you are against? All you do is attempt to justify it. Never a condemnation.
And this is why everyone knows that you are a liar.
Yes, you called me a liar. That is a lie and I challenge you to prove it.
Yes, I know what your point was in saying that using nukes lead to peace.
No, you lied.
I challenge you to defend your lie or retract it.
Do the honourable thing for once.
No, I hate racial supremacists like the zionists on this board. There are so many good Jews, like the good people of IJVCanada, IfNotNow, B'tselem, Breaking the Silence and others. Its an antisemitic trope to claim being critical of a settler colonial, racist movement is antisemitic.
You do this regularly. And when I show you that post you ignore it and make the same claim over and over again.
Its another dishonourable lie to defend your racial supremacy.
I back Canadian values of racial equality, not racist settler colonialism.
You can't defend apartheid and accuse others of racism.
This was the first line of the post which you deliberately ignored.
You are lying about my posts again.
Stop it, its dishonourable.
The Iranians have not received 5 cents so far. The funds have been sitting in a Korean bank and each administration has agreed to release funds for medical supplies etc.
on the other hand the stable genius agreed to release 5,000 Taliban fighters.
I just did. You said that you condemn violence against civilians, yet there is no post in this thread (that I could see) where you explicitly condemn Hamas for this latest attack on civilians, grandmothers, festival goers.
So clearly you lied. You are against violence against civilians, unless those civilians are Jews.[/QUOTE]
No you don't. You're trying to say that I'm recommending using nukes on Gaza. I never said that. You claimed I did, so there's another lie.
Honourable is a very strange word to hear coming out of your mouth. I have nothing to apologize for, the least of which is calling you out on your hollow words.
Ahh, the old "I have friends that are black" defense. You're getting desperate.
Because you lie over and over and over again. I regularly ask for posts of yours to back up your claims and you regularly are unable to do so. You posted something lame only after I said that you had never condemned Palestinian violence. The fact you waited to post something slightly to that effect until after I challenged you proves that I was correct.
As in this thread, why can you not produce a post of yours immediately condemning the violence used by Hamas on Israeli citizens.
BTW, have you had a chance to call basketcase a liar yet today?
My first post in th is thread....just want to ask @Frankfooter ... did Hamas fought for freedom here?
Yet that video doesn't mention that Palestine has been illegally occupied since 1967, Israel rules through apartheid and Israel is still actively taking Palestinian land and homes. He tries to justify violence against Palestinians by labelling them as 'terrorists' while ignoring acts that are also clearly terrorism.
Much of Israeli policy fits the definition of terrorism, from shooting protesters, to mass arrests, to targeting journalists and attacks by terrorist settlers that are backed by the state.
This happened in Feb this year and was the start of a massive increase in terrorist attacks on Palestinians.
Why does Ari refuse to mention this or the occupation?
Israel’s military called the settler attack on this Palestinian town a ‘pogrom.’ Videos show soldiers did little to stop it
I saw that line. What I don't see is you specificall mentioning Hamas and condemning their latest actions. More dishonesty from you. You're never afraid to talk specifically about Israeli occupation or apartheid. You never mention Hamas' attacks against civilians. Saying that war is a tragedy, is such a generic statement, it means nothing and is not a condemnation of Hamas' terrorist actions. So basically, you just lied again about saying that you've condemned their actions.
So I proved that you never condemned this latest round of Hamas violence and that makes me a liar? Where do you come up with this doublespeak? 1984?
The aggressor was Hamas, killing innocent people and taking hostages so in my book they deserve to burn, just as I believe Putin deserves a bullet in the head so do the Hamas leaders who started it.
Bullshit, you are lying.
There is one at the top of this page.
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Bullshit, see the post at the top of this page
You brought up nukes as the only way to end violence with violence.
That's not a lie.
Bullshit, I listed multiple international Jewish peace groups who are against the racial supremacy and violence you support.
Totally different.
Bullshit, you pull this tactic repeatedly to try to shut down debate, as you did here in February where I called you out and proved you lie.
