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shack

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Fuck analytics!!!! , Berios was cruising.
I don't think analytics can measure something like that.

Shatkins think that they're smarter than everyone else and were trying to be sneaky. Well, they fucking outsmarted themselves.
 

hammer19

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This whole coaching staff can go. Management can go. Bo and Vladdy can go.

We will finish 5th in the AL east next year. Mark my words!
 
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Jubee

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It felt like this season didn't really even exist.

On a sidenote, anyone notice the smashed tablet in the Jays' dugout during the bottom of the 8th when the camera zoomed in on them?
Pretty sure it didn't start out like that. 😂😂
 

The Oracle

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I don't think analytics can measure something like that.

Shatkins think that they're smarter than everyone else and were trying to be sneaky. Well, they fucking outsmarted themselves.
Pitching was there but as you said in a previous post you can't win if you don't score.
 

takrak

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If John Schneider does not let go we know who is really managing the games (Ross Atkins). If you are just managing the games based on analytics may as well have AI be the manager. No way you pull Berrios in that situation.

Another wasted season.
 

ramblin

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The Rays.

The Jays have come off a good series at The Trop where they went 2 for 3 (and should swept). The Rays are beat up and missing many key players. In addition it will be indoors and weather will not impact the play. I remember Gausman wasn't sharp against St. Louis in Game 2 of the season and attributed it to being cold. He prefers playing in warmer climes and will be the Game 1 Starter.
I'll stick to my post. The Rays...

I saw the Twins coming at The Jays like a deer see's a car's headlights, "standing in the middle of the road with a befuddled look..."
 
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whynot888

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If John Schneider does not let go we know who is really managing the games (Ross Atkins). If you are just managing the games based on analytics may as well have AI be the manager. No way you pull Berrios in that situation.

Another wasted season.
Couldn't agree more, Berrios was pitching a gem. He was in the zone and would of gotten out of that inning.
 

mandrill

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Couldn't agree more, Berrios was pitching a gem. He was in the zone and would of gotten out of that inning.
True. And Kikuchi sucked.

But c'mon. The other team scores 2 runs means you normally win. It's the offence here. Like always.
 

ramblin

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If John Schneider does not let go we know who is really managing the games (Ross Atkins). If you are just managing the games based on analytics may as well have AI be the manager. No way you pull Berrios in that situation.

Another wasted season.
Sometimes (often) the eye is better than the analytics. Too bad Schneider didn't stand up to the analytics and it just might cost him his job... But, you can't win a game when you can't score a run. 18 innings and 1 run.
 
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shack

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Yep. Even after John Schneider has stated that he pulled Gausman too early last year...
In the post-game analysis on TV, the general consensus was that Schneider was not the one to make the call. It was pre-determined that Kikuchi would come in early. Joe Siddall said it's good to have a plan but you have to actually watch the game.

I wonder if the big-heads will man up and have Schneider's back and admit that the decision to pull Berrios should not be on Schneider.
 

ramblin

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True. And Kikuchi sucked.

But c'mon. The other team scores 2 runs means you normally win. It's the offence here. Like always.
And only 3 runs last night.

This year The Jays had 11 batters in the clean-up position. Does anyone else think the lineup had had a glaring hole (or two, or three)?
 
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ramblin

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In the post-game analysis on TV, the general consensus was that Schneider was not the one to make the call. It was pre-determined that Kikuchi would come in early. Joe Siddall said it's good to have a plan but you have to actually watch the game.

I wonder if the big-heads will man up and have Schneider's back and admit that the decision to pull Berrios should not be on Schneider.
Agree (see my other post).

This one.

Sometimes (often) the eye is better than the analytics. Too bad Schneider didn't stand up to the analytics and it just might cost him his job... But, you can't win a game when you can't score a run. 18 innings and 1 run .
 
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glamphotographer

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This core group of the Jays is like the Leafs (until they finally won a round), they haven't won a playoff game yet.
 

Insidious Von

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I wouldn't give up on Vlady and Bo just yet. If the Larfs are willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money to Matthews, Marner and Nylander to be horrendous losers year after year - don't Vlady and Bo deserve the same consideration?
 

mandrill

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In the post-game analysis on TV, the general consensus was that Schneider was not the one to make the call. It was pre-determined that Kikuchi would come in early. Joe Siddall said it's good to have a plan but you have to actually watch the game.

I wonder if the big-heads will man up and have Schneider's back and admit that the decision to pull Berrios should not be on Schneider.
A frustrating dumb call. But again, Twins got just 2 runs off Kikuchi. It's not like they hit him for 4 or 5. We should have got those runs back ffs!

No clutch hitting. Coupled with some near dingers that got caught on the track. And some terrible base running at crucial points.
 
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