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takrak

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Sometimes (often) the eye is better than the analytics. Too bad Schneider didn't stand up to the analytics and it just might cost him his job... But, you can't win a game when you can't score a run. 18 innings and 1 run.
Correct you can't win a game 0-0 but those runs coming in change the momentum of the game to the twins, being down 2 runs may as well be down 10 runs with way the jays score runs these days.
 

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I wouldn't give up on Vlady and Bo just yet. If the Larfs are willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money to Matthews, Marner and Nylander to be horrendous losers year after year - don't Vlady and Bo deserve the same consideration?
I've been a big Vlady supporter, but he did get picked off at second (with Springer at third) with Bo at bat. I hate to say it, but since they've been together for years they are Frick and Frat and should have been better together.
 

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In the post-game analysis on TV, the general consensus was that Schneider was not the one to make the call. It was pre-determined that Kikuchi would come in early. Joe Siddall said it's good to have a plan but you have to actually watch the game.

I wonder if the big-heads will man up and have Schneider's back and admit that the decision to pull Berrios should not be on Schneider.
Schneider all but admitted it wasn't his decision.

He talked about "organizational decisions" and then said it was tough pulling Berrios because "it was the best stuff he had all year". There was no way he'd repeat the mistake he admitted making with Gausman last year.

p.s. Berrios is a competitor and I'd be surprised if they didn't tell him pre-game that getting pulled early was a possibility. If he had no advanced warning he would have exploded when he got pulled. Great stuff and only 47 pitches.
 
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Couldn't agree more, Berrios was pitching a gem. He was in the zone and would of gotten out of that inning.
They just said on the post game show that Schneider said Berrios had his best stuff of the year. Head scratcher for sure. Pre game strategy be damned sometimes you have to ride the hot hand.
 

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They back into the last playoff spot - foreshadowing was Saturday game against Tampa....win and their in but couldn't score in the last 5 innings. The thing that gets me is the lack of passion and anger. Schneider is a milquetoast. Next year they will finish 4th (the Yankees will win more) unless major shake up. Fire Schneider and everyone connected with the offence. Bring in some one with passion like a Bret Boone type. And what the hell do you do with your so called superstar?

By the way, it was rather annoying to see Guerrero pitching pb and j an inning after he makes the base running blunder of the year.
 

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The Jays should have fired their hitting coach at the very least many months ago, when it was VERY apparent that they can’t hit thier way out of a wet paper bag.

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I suspect this game plan was designed by upper management, the guys with the big heads who think that they're so smart, and Schneider was following orders. It was an organizational decision. Even Buck and Dan seemed to know that this was going to happen from the very beginning.

Probably.

Philip
 

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But in the end, who are we all kidding? No one is going to beat the Braves in a 7 game series, that Atlanta team is stacked

….for real man! The Braves all day. I think even thier waterboy has 30 homeruns.

Philip
 

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I think the Jays are similar to the Leafs. They have some star players but they can't come through when everything is on the line.
 

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I think the Jays are similar to the Leafs. They have some star players but they can't come through when everything is on the line.
Really they couldn't come through all season, not just when things were on the line. So many on the team hit below their expectations, and more importantly their average. Springer, Vlady, Chapman, Espinal, Varsho, Merrifield, Kirk all hit below both the expection for them and their career averages, all season long.
 
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The way the Jays lost couldn't have been more disappointing. Once again they did not score and left a bunch of guys on base. Pulling Berrios when he was locked in and pitching great made no sense. Vladdy killed a potential rally by getting picked off at 2nd base and continues to demonstrate a lack of maturity and baseball smarts.
 
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But in the end, who are we all kidding? No one is going to beat the Braves in a 7 game series, that Atlanta team is stacked
Anything can happen in the playoffs. The Phillies eliminated Braves last year which was surprising.
I didn't think the Rays would be eliminated this early.
 

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I have said this about both the Leafs and the Jays. Corporate owned teams will stick with bad mgt. much longer than an individual old rich guy who wants to win before he dies. Shapiro is a complete disaster, Shanahan is a moron and a complete disaster.
Unfortunately we as fans get screwed.
I didn't watch either game and had no plan to. Fertilized my lawn last night. Played disc golf tonight. Hell, doing laundry would have been a better use of my time.
You cannot find more predictable losers than these 2 teams.
 

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yup. Looks like the real offence showed up again. This is what concerns me even if we make the playoffs. If a pitcher is half decent, the jays cant score, and you don't face many bad pitchers in the playoffs.

Thought I would quote myself here from Thursday.

I mean the writing was on the wall when they faced Cole and King, could barely muster a hit and were shut out two games in a row.
 
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