Leafs '22/'23 Thread

Jubee

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Evander Kane will always be a meathead.

It will be a shock if the Leafs win G4. What the playoffs has proved, top heavy teams don't fare well in the post season. The Oilers should have romped last night, instead they get blown out at home after Kane went psycho again. The Oilers have no two-way players and the Leafs have never solved their blue-line problems. Then there's Marner and Nylander who are excellent at eating quiche.

There will be no Canadian representation in the Final again this year.

One can get picky and ask, how many of the players are Canadian on the teams in the finals? So there's that. lol
 

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They should trade marner for a number 1 defenseman. Also matthews will end up in LA, so deal him now for 3 existing players.
 
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the best goalie in NHL in Jake Oettinger of the Dallas Stars. In the regular season, Linus Ullmark had a better save percentage (0.936 to 0.919), the Bruins also had a stronger defense in front of him.
Do the Leafs even have a goalie scout when it comes to the draft?
 

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Haven't seen Shanny around lately, no press conference, perhaps he's getting the boot, and what if MLSE makes Dubas Interm President and GM?
 

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So the mighty Oilers with their stars McDavid and Draisaitl are out.

Interesting when you look at the numbers.

Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares scored 3 goals and 9 points in 5 games against Florida.

McDavid, Draisaitl, Hyman and Ekholm scored 13 goals and 26 points in 6 games against Vegas. Yet they only won one more game than the Leafs.

I'm not going to speculate on what should be done in the offseason, other than they need some more grit. They really needed someone who could respond to all the crap Florida was getting away with. I will say, Tavares and Giordano are too slow for today's NHL.
I suppose you meant Nugent-Hopkins rather than Ekholm

Regarding numbers:

Total goals Leafs 10 Florida 14 and Oilers 19 VGK 22
Top 4 Leafs combined were -7 and for Edmonton -8 (Draisaitl was -5)

Leafs PP 2 for 11 for 18.2%
Florida PP 3 for 9 for 33.3%
Oilers PP 9 for 22 for a whopping 40.9%
VGK PP 4 for 24 for 16.7%
Interestingly Boston's PP in 7 games in round 1 was 40.7%. They went 11 for 27

Leafs other than the top 4 forwards 7 goals in 5 games
Oilers other than the top 4 forwards 6 goals in 6 games.

In the regular season Oilers PP was dominant and in playoffs performed as expected.
VGK made up for the difference in their even strength play. The only way for Edmonton to go further is to improve their even strength play which means defense and goaltending. They give up way too much there. Their PP has maxed out.

Edmonton scored 9 more goals than the Leafs but they also gave up 8 more than the Leafs.
Edmonton scored 9 on the PP to 2 for the Leafs. The PP alone was a 7 goal difference.
Considering every game was close 2 more PP goals from the Leafs would have helped.
 
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I don't think shanahan believes in this roster construction. He was tough as nails and would fight anyone. This team is the opposite of that. Dubas is his bumb boy so he stays quiet. Seemed like schen had to fight all the battles. Lucic is out there for 800k, but at his age being the team tough guy isn't fair to him.
 

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When Florida won the President's Trophy last year they scored a whopping 340 goals with a +94 goal differential.
Both tops in the league. Interestingly Leafs were the 2nd highest scoring team with 315 goals.
For comparison Oilers this year were the highest scoring tean with 325 goals. Boston was 2nd with 305.

Boston this year allowed only 177 goals. No other team was even close. Yet the Florida Bruins series was very high scoring.
The Leafs Panthers series on the other hand was very low scoring for 2 supposedly high scoring teams.
 
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Shanahan is way over his head, should never have been given the job. He relied on Dubas. Everybody tried but this team is just not going to do it.

They need to change the recipe. Cooked the same fucking dish with the same ingredients for 5 years and while smelling good in the oven, it came out tasting like shit!
 
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Take a guess at how many teams have won the Cup with a player making over $10 million/year in the cap era. You need depth to win in the playoffs. Every year there's some third line player who lights the world on fire. The Leafs have nobody like that. On a related(?) note, three of the four remaining teams come from states with no income tax - coincidence?
 

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Take a guess at how many teams have won the Cup with a player making over $10 million/year in the cap era. You need depth to win in the playoffs. Every year there's some third line player who lights the world on fire. The Leafs have nobody like that. On a related(?) note, three of the four remaining teams come from states with no income tax - coincidence?
They all pay the michael Jordan jock tax so the no tax thing is a myth. They do pay tax in each state they play in. It does add up to a few per cent. My guess it affects football players the most as they play 17 games so technically they can make millions per game. Dak Prescott isn't taxed in Texas but makes about 4 million per game.

He would have to pay tax on 4 mill whenever he plays in states with taxes.

 
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superstar_88

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Take a guess at how many teams have won the Cup with a player making over $10 million/year in the cap era. You need depth to win in the playoffs. Every year there's some third line player who lights the world on fire. The Leafs have nobody like that. On a related(?) note, three of the four remaining teams come from states with no income tax - coincidence?
None of these teams were in the final 4 playoffs last year so yes coincidence.
 

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They all pay the michael Jordan jock tax so the no tax thing is a myth. They do pay tax in each state they play in. It does add up to a few per cent. My guess it affects football players the most as they play 17 games so technically they can make millions per game. Dak Prescott isn't taxed in Texas but makes about 4 million per game.

He would have to pay tax on 4 mill whenever he plays in states with taxes.

They play more than half of their games in states with no income tax. It makes a difference.
 

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10 highest payed players for next year has 3 Leafs.
No other team has 2. I don't think 1 player on the list is still playing.
 

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Lots of rumors on upcoming changes for the Leafs, from President, GM, head coach to players.
To me, the most important change the Leafs need to make is to bring in someone who can score to replace Auston Matthews.
I think Mathew Tkachuk is that guy. He can score much better than Auston.

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I suppose you meant Nugent-Hopkins rather than Ekholm

Regarding numbers:

Total goals Leafs 10 Florida 14 and Oilers 19 VGK 22
Top 4 Leafs combined were -7 and for Edmonton -8 (Draisaitl was -5)

Leafs PP 2 for 11 for 18.2%
Florida PP 3 for 9 for 33.3%
Oilers PP 9 for 22 for a whopping 40.9%
VGK PP 4 for 24 for 16.7%
Interestingly Boston's PP in 7 games in round 1 was 40.7%. They went 11 for 27

Leafs other than the top 4 forwards 7 goals in 5 games
Oilers other than the top 4 forwards 6 goals in 6 games.

In the regular season Oilers PP was dominant and in playoffs performed as expected.
VGK made up for the difference in their even strength play. The only way for Edmonton to go further is to improve their even strength play which means defense and goaltending. They give up way too much there. Their PP has maxed out.

Edmonton scored 9 more goals than the Leafs but they also gave up 8 more than the Leafs.
Edmonton scored 9 on the PP to 2 for the Leafs. The PP alone was a 7 goal difference.
Considering every game was close 2 more PP goals from the Leafs would have helped.
Yes, Nugent-Hopkins makes more sense.

Nice breakdown. It shows how close the games vs. Florida really were. Had a couple of those shots off the post gone in for the Leafs, you're looking a completely different series.
 

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Lots of rumors on upcoming changes for the Leafs, from President, GM, head coach to players.
To me, the most important change the Leafs need to make is to bring in someone who can score to replace Auston Matthews.
I think Mathew Tkachuk is that guy. He can score much better than Auston.

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Regular Season

MT - 79 Games - 40 Goals - 69 Assists - 109 Points
AM - 74 Games - 40 Goals - 45 Assists - 85 Points

Playoffs

MT - 12 Games - 5 Goals - 11 Assists - 16 Points
AM - 11 Games - 5 Goals - 6 Assists - 11 Points

Matthews isn't the problem. Besides, how do you propose to get Tkachuck?
 

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Of note in the 5 game Florida Toronto series Matthew T scored exactly zero goals.

Matthew T playoff goals:
2017 0 in 4 games
2018 0 in 0 games
2019 2 in 5 games
2020 1 in 6 games
2021 0 in 0 games
2022 4 in 12 games
2023 5 in 12 games
Total 12 goals in 39 playoff games

A Matthews playoff goals:
2017 4 in 6 games
2018 1 in 7 games
2019 5 in 7 games
2020 2 in 5 games
2021 1 in 7 games
2022 4 in 7 games
2023 5 in 11 games
Total 22 goals in 50 playoff games

Clearly A Matthews is the much better goal scorer than Matthew T and it's not even close.
Matthew T. has never outscored A. Matthews in any playoff year from 2017 to now.
So to say that Matthew T. is the much better scorer than A. Matthews in just ludicrous.
Also Matthew T. is a winger whereas A. Matthews plays center.
 
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