Jordan Peterson says Ontario psychologist licence may be suspended over public statements

[mandrill]

You know... I don't like him. I didn't really know his larger media presence and what I've seen, I don't like. It doesn't disqualify everything he says...

I'll take a look at the video that you posted.

Honestly, I'd rather return to my original purpose for being on Terb and that has nothing to do with culture wars, I had enough of that when I was in university and teaching... it's a big waste of time speaking to people who have their mind made up... tiresome.

I think he's annoying. I think he selects his statements and opinions with an eye to making as much money as he can.

I think his opinions are 50 years out of date and well behind the times, especially for a professional. And apparently, they are also against NUMEROUS ethical and professional rules. And I'm sure he knew that and set himself up to be disbarred - or whatever you call it as a shrink - so he can posture and grift around the conflict.

Do I personally dislike him?.... No. He's annoying in the same way Musk is annoying or other people of the same type are annoying.

 

[WyattEarp]

You mean the kind that all the right wingers enjoyed when Elon fired all those poor employees from Twitter and proceeded to mistreat and troll them online?

Twitter was losing money. It was a dysfunctional for profit business that seemed to be run as some kind of community service and social utility.

Will it be successful under.Musk to justify what he paid for Twitter? Who knows? I wouldn't bet on it. I would not want to be holding Twitter debt.

So perhaps there will be plenty of schadenfreude for right wingers and left wingers.

 

[WyattEarp]

I think he's annoying. I think he selects his statements and opinions with an eye to making as much money as he can.

It's too bad Peterson's re-education couldn't take place in a camp in Nunavut.

 

[krealtarron]

Twitter was losing money. It was a dysfunctional for profit business that seemed to be run as some kind of community service and social utility.

Losing money, yes. Dysfunctional, no.

 

[krealtarron]

I think he's annoying. I think he selects his statements and opinions with an eye to making as much money as he can.

I think his opinions are 50 years out of date and well behind the times, especially for a professional. And apparently, they are also against NUMEROUS ethical and professional rules. And I'm sure he knew that and set himself up to be disbarred - or whatever you call it as a shrink - so he can posture and grift around the conflict.

Do I personally dislike him?.... No. He's annoying in the same way Musk is annoying or other people of the same type are annoying.

Exactly. He is an opportunist who has simply leveraged right wing outrage to make money.

 

[mandrill]

It's too bad Peterson's re-education couldn't take place in a camp in Nunavut.

He's been given some courses to attend - probably virtually. Levitt will appeal to Divisional Court, which will back up the CPO. Doc Pee will grift for "financing" for the judicial review.

Peterson will refuse to take the courses and publish a book about how his free speech is being infringed and join the rightie talk show / conference circuit and appear on Fox as a commentator.

Maybe he can co-host some events with Kyle Rittenhouse.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Exactly. He is an opportunist who has simply leveraged right wing outrage to make money.

What you call "right wing outrage" isn't right wing at all. Most ordinary people understand that trans is an unfortunate mental illness, that being able to invent pronouns at a whim is silly, that men and women are fundamentally different, and that decorum is important. This is why the teacher in Oakville caught so much flack and action is being taken.

The outrage is coming primarily from people that want to cancel JP and have failed to do so for 7 years.

Exposing facts like the wage gap myth is not right wing either, though it causes outrage among those that have been conditioned to believe it's true.

Incels are not a political group with any particular affiliation either, and telling them to become more desirable and productive is not right-wing advocacy.

 

[krealtarron]

What you call "right wing outrage" isn't right wing at all. Most ordinary people understand that trans is an unfortunate mental illness, that being able to invent pronouns at a whim is silly, that men and women are fundamentally different, and that decorum is important. This is why the teacher in Oakville caught so much flack.

The outrage is coming primarily from people that want to cancel JP and have failed to do so for 7 years.

Exposing facts like the wage gap myth is not right wing either, though it causes outrage among those that have been conditioned to believe it's true.

Incels are not a political group with any particular affiliation either, and telling them to become more desirable and productive is not right-wing advocacy.

Translation: Tell me you are an angry outraged right winger, without telling me you are an angry outraged right winger.

 

[squeezer]

You've obviously never had to deal with something like this... Hopefully, you never will.

No, I haven't because within my industry I follow the rules and guidelines.

 

[alwilm]

No, I haven't because within my industry I follow the rules and guidelines.

Good for you!!

The human sciences may be a little looser than what you do! You might be surprised what people get accused of and how loose things are when professionalism and being offended come together...

Knock yourself out with your superiority!

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Translation: Tell me you are an angry outraged right winger, without telling me you are an angry outraged right winger.

I agree. There comes a point where there is no longer any purpose in continuing to argue with some of these guys. It is no longer a good faith debate/discussion.

Are we seriously arguing whether women are capable of holding positions of power? Is it actually ok for a licensed clinical psychologist to engage in online fat shaming? It’s beyond ridiculous to argue over this; it just allows oneself to get dragged into their filth.

It’s always the same people, too. They’re the same ones who refer to Justin Trudeau as, “blackface” and “groper”. As soon as I see that kinda talk I automatically know that this is not a serious person.

 

[Valcazar]

Seriously?!.... Because some polygamous neolithic village has horny, angry dudes and they raid the other village over the hill which has available ladies?!

How is that even remotely related to 21st Century North America?!?!?!?!

It isn't particularly relevant to 21st Century North America.
I'm just saying that when he says "you can see this in the anthropological literature" it is a more accurate statement than many he makes.

 

[Valcazar]

The proceedings between CPO and DocPee, linked.

CPOntario vs J B Peterson.pdf

drive.google.com

It's good form from Peterson here to put up all the correspondence. (I am going to work from the assumption he isn't leaving things out.)
What's interesting about that is it really does make it look like the OCP is acting above board here.
Given what was submitted, the complaints they got, and their own matrix of action (Which he included) then it looks like the decision to give him a chance to remedy this before they take any drastic step like taking his license seems right in line with their standards and procedures.

 

[squeezer]

Knock yourself out with your superiority!

It's more like common sense and self awareness.

 

[The Oracle]

It continues to astound me how people feel unsafe at how they interpret what Dr. Peterson is saying.

As a clinical psychologist he is just declaring what the clinical data is stating without any political bias.

 

[mandrill]

It's good form from Peterson here to put up all the correspondence. (I am going to work from the assumption he isn't leaving things out.)
What's interesting about that is it really does make it look like the OCP is acting above board here.
Given what was submitted, the complaints they got, and their own matrix of action (Which he included) then it looks like the decision to give him a chance to remedy this before they take any drastic step like taking his license seems right in line with their standards and procedures.

I think Doc Pee basks in the self-assurance that his fan base will adopt his viewpoint that ANY attempt to censor his professional public speech is unacceptable and the only acceptable outcome is to allow him to say whatever tf he wants on any occasion he chooses.

So what appears to most as a genuine attempt by the CPO to enforce professional standards in an even-handed way will appear to Doc Pee's adherents as "tyranny", regardless of the objective facts.

 

[dirtyharry555]

An interesting facet of human behavior is when people who claim to love science ignore scientific data when it doesn't align with their personal beliefs or offends their sensibilities

 

[mandrill]

An interesting facet of human behavior is when people who claim to love science ignore scientific data when it doesn't align with their personal beliefs or offends their sensibilities

It continues to astound me how people feel unsafe at how they interpret what Dr. Peterson is saying.

As a clinical psychologist he is just declaring what the clinical data is stating without any political bias.

Well, give a specific example?

The audio of the psychologist discussing the charges / complaints said that one of the problems w Doc Pee's social media presence is that he pretends to be an expert in shit he knows little or nothing about.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

I think Doc Pee basks in the self-assurance that his fan base will adopt his viewpoint that ANY attempt to censor his professional public speech is unacceptable and the only acceptable outcome is to allow him to say whatever tf he wants on any occasion he chooses.

So what appears to most as a genuine attempt by the CPO to enforce professional standards in an even-handed way will appear to Doc Pee's adherents as "tyranny", regardless of the objective facts.

Jordan Peterson could shoot someone on Fifth Ave and his followers would still support him.

 

[krealtarron]

Well, give a specific example?

The audio of the psychologist discussing the charges / complaints said that one of the problems w Doc Pee's social media presence is that he pretends to be an expert in shit he knows little or nothing about.

Exactly, he is a clinical psychologist who engages in social/political commentary that he has no expertise on, cherry picks and uses statistics in a reductive fashion to make conclusions. He goes "Data shows....", well, what data? How was it collected? When was it collected? What was the demographic of the respondents? There are so many questions, that no one supporting JP knows answers to. Yet, because his position is ideologically agreeable to them, they will believe any statistic he quotes. Its one giant mess of confirmation biases being passed off as "science".