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The Deception of Palestinian Nationalism




When speaking about the Middle East, it is common to hear about the “need” and “desire” for Palestinian statehood. But exactly what kind of state do the Palestinians want and what are the roots of Palestinian nationalism?

Historically, the Palestinian “desire for statehood” and “need for liberation” was invented in large part by the Soviet Union. It is no coincidence that the blueprint for the PLO Charter was drafted in Moscow in 1964 and was approved by 422 Palestinian representative hand selected by the KGB. At that time, the USSR was in the business of creating people’s liberation fronts. The KGB founded the PLO as well as the National Liberation Army of Bolivia (1964) with Ernesto “Che” Guevara at its head and the National Liberation Army of Colombia (1965).

These “liberation fronts” were seen by the USSR as centers of Marxist indoctrination and opposition to democratic and capitalist movements. In the Middle East, the only foothold of the democratic west is Israel; nurturing the PLO to undermine Israel was therefore quite natural for the Soviets, who not only helped fund and establish the PLO but also trained and supplied its terrorist operations.

To understand the PLO’s conception of a Palestinian state, it is instructive to examine Article 24 of the original PLO Charter. It reads: “this Organization [the PLO] does not exercise any regional sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, in the Gaza Strip or the Himmah area.” If not the West Bank and Gaza, then what exactly what did, the PLO claim? The Palestine that the PLO wanted was in fact the State of Israel.

Consider that it was not until 1968 that Article 24 was amended to include a claim on the West Bank and Gaza. At the time of the original drafting, Jordan and Egypt controlled the West Bank and Gaza after unilaterally and illegally annexing them following the War of Israeli Independence in 1948. It was only after Israel had gained these territories in the War of 1967 that the Palestinian Arabs declared an interest in controlling them.

The evidence that simple autonomy in the West Bank and Gaza was never the PLO’s true goal is everywhere. In 1970, US Secretary of State William Rogers suggested that the West Bank and Gaza be given up by Israel in return for peace and recognition. This plan was accepted by Israel, Jordan, and Egypt. Only Yasser Arafat, leader of the PLO, rejected it, opting instead to attempt an overthrow of Jordan’s King Hussein.

The evidence runs deeper. Yassir Arafat, who was head of the PLO until 2004, was under the direct tutelage and control of the KGB. Ion Mihai Pacepa, KGB officer and onetime chief of Romanian Intelligence, was assigned to handling Arafat. Pacepa recorded several of his conversations with Arafat when they met in Romania at the palace of brutal dictators Nicolai and Elena Ceausescu. In these conversations, Arafat unequivocally states that his sole aim is to destroy Israel.

Pacepa and the KGB were delighted. They consulted General Giap, a close associate of Ho Chi Minh, who was involved with the North Vietnamese propaganda effort during the Vietnam War. Giap recommended to Arafat that he “stop talking about annihilating Israel and instead turn your [Arafat’s] terror war into a struggle for human rights.” It had worked in Vietnam, he claimed, because transforming the conflict from one of ideologies (Socialism vs. Capitalism) to one of an “indigenous” people’s struggle for liberty had turned the tide of popular support in the West against the war.

Similar advice was provided to Arafat by Muhammed Yazid, minister of information in two Algerian wartime governments. He wrote “wipe out the argument that Israel is a small state whose existence is threatened by the Arab States, or the reduction of the Palestinian problem to a question of refugees; instead present the Palestinian struggle as one for liberation like the others. Wipe out the impression that in the struggle between the Palestinians and Zionists, the Zionist is the underdog. Now it is the Arab who is oppressed and victimized in his existence because he is not only facing the Zionists but also world imperialism.”

Yasser Arafat heeded this advice, and with the help of bi-weekly plane-loads of Soviet supplies brought in through Damascus as well as the Soviet propaganda machine, he began to portray the Palestinian Arabs as a supposedly indigenous population whose human rights were being tarnished by Israel.

The fact is that after the War of 1967, Israel inherited Arab refugees living in the West Bank and Gaza that were forced to live there in the period of Egyptian and Jordanian control from 1948 to 1967. Israel immediately offered to return the lands it won in 1967 (West Bank, Gaza, Sinai, and the Golan Heights) in return for a peace treaty. This offer was rejected by the Arab countries in the Khartoum Conference (Aug. 29- Sep. 1, 1967). In Arafat’s authorized biography, Arafat: Terrorist or Peace Maker, Arafat claims this moment as one of his greatest diplomatic victories.

It is telling that Zahir Muhse’in, member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) Executive Committee, said the following in a 1977 interview with the Amsterdam-based newspaper Trouw. “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism.”

Palestinian nationalism is therefore a historical fabrication born out of a communist thirst for expansion and an Arab resentment of the existence of Israel. The “need” and “desire” for Palestinian is a veiled expression of the “need” and “desire” to end Israel’s existence.

The Deception of Palestinian Nationalism (stanfordreview.org)
 

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Informing Science, THE KGB AND ANTI-ISRAELI PROPAGANDA OPERATIONS, is a well-cited piece that includes numerous details about the KGB, including information provided by former Romanian Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest-ranking Soviet defector, who would have been in a position to deal directly with Yasser Arafat.

“According to Ion Mihai Pacepa (as cited in J. Bergman, 2016), the “Palestinian Liberation Army” was contrived by the KGB, much like the KGB devised the Bolivian National Liberation Army. It created this Arab army in the early 1960s following the failure of the troops of various Arab states to destroy Israel. Pacepa (2006) stated that the KGB drafted the Palestinian National Charter and handpicked the 422 members of the PLO council that approved it. Andropov told Pacepa, “We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel” (Pacepa, 2006). Likewise, both the Palestine National Covenant and Palestinian Constitution were drafted in Moscow (Pacepa, as cited in J. Bergman, 2016).”

The KGB and Anti-Israel Propaganda Operations (inform.nu)
 

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Informing Science, THE KGB AND ANTI-ISRAELI PROPAGANDA OPERATIONS, is a well-cited piece that includes numerous details about the KGB, including information provided by former Romanian Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest-ranking Soviet defector, who would have been in a position to deal directly with Yasser Arafat.

“According to Ion Mihai Pacepa (as cited in J. Bergman, 2016), the “Palestinian Liberation Army” was contrived by the KGB, much like the KGB devised the Bolivian National Liberation Army. It created this Arab army in the early 1960s following the failure of the troops of various Arab states to destroy Israel. Pacepa (2006) stated that the KGB drafted the Palestinian National Charter and handpicked the 422 members of the PLO council that approved it. Andropov told Pacepa, “We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel” (Pacepa, 2006). Likewise, both the Palestine National Covenant and Palestinian Constitution were drafted in Moscow (Pacepa, as cited in J. Bergman, 2016).”

The KGB and Anti-Israel Propaganda Operations (inform.nu)
Wow, an entire new way of justifying Islamaphobic posts about Palestinians!
This one is totally wacky, you gonna say that Putin was involved in partition and the big 1948 battles now?

Israel is apartheid.
Putin and the KGB have nothing to do with Israeli apartheid.
 
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Wow, an entire new way of justifying Islamaphobic posts about Palestinians!
This one is totally wacky, you gonna say that Putin was involved in partition and the big 1948 battles now?

Israel is apartheid.
Putin and the KGB have nothing to do with Israeli apartheid.

why do you hate Israel and the jews so much?
 

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why do you hate Israel and the jews so much?
I hate racism and apartheid is way up there.
It was working with a left leaning Jewish couple who introduced me to the issues years ago.
Most Jews I really quite like, just as I like most people.

Why do you hate Palestinians so much?
 
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I hate racism and apartheid is way up there.
It was working with a left leaning Jewish couple who introduced me to the issues years ago.
Most Jews I really quite like, just as I like most people.

Why do you hate Palestinians so much?



franky cannot find posts where i hate palestinians but i can find posts of his where he defends and make excuses for anti-semitic hate crimes, support for terrorists and refuse to condemn hamas





quoting the Palestinian Centre for Human Right who are linked to the PLPF terrorist organization







quoting btselem an anti-semitic website who was caught hiring holocaust deniers



racist towards me saying blacks cannot defend israel ignoeing the fact that over 180,000 black people reside in israel which includes 25,000
black americans. quoting jewish voice for peace that supports terrorism and was busted citing neo nazi and white supremacists websites





claiming that black persons cannot support Israel that have over 180,000 black people living there







justifying terrorists attacks against israeli and jewish civilians














supports the anti-jewish vandalizing of a business owned by a Jewish man and making excuses for it







promoting the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region.







apologist for hamas the terror group






defending the PLFP terror group




refuses to condemn anti-jewish hate crimes commited by anti-jewish gangs







refuses to condemn the anti-semitic attacks on jewish shoppers at a supermaket in Thornhill, Ontario Canada.




franky continues to sink deeper and deeper into anti-jewish terrorism. franky defends a mapping project in Massacheusets
anti-jewish activists create a list of jewish organzations for anti-semitic purposes



more anti-black racism





supports and defend anti-semitic actions at the University of Wisconsin




franky butturt at the definition of anti-semitism because he is one





franky defends a terrorist that was killed in a shootout with the IDF





defends hamas claiming that it is islamophobic to call hamas terrrorists



defending an anti-semitic terror supporting rally




defending a terrorist attack against a security guard(security guards are civilians)



still refuses to condemn hamas





post anti-black racism to deflect rom his support for terrorists and anti-jewish hate crimes



justified the murder of a security guard



franky resorts to slander defending the Fatah organization who admitted that they are a terrorist organization




continue to lie and slander



still lying and slander





still defending hamas

 

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So now they are arresting Jews for meeting with Palestinians?
Along with making the Palestinian flag illegal this is really something.
I know you like ignoring reality but Hamas arrested and tortured a peace activist for chatting on zoom with Israeli peace activists (which you defended) and the PA repeatedly arrests people for making jokes on social media about Abbas.

But you try and pretend that meeting with actual leaders of what Canada thinks is a terrorist entity is the same as meeting peace activists.

Meanwhile Israel has mass protests against the current government actions (actual protests, not throwing firebombs or trying to breach a border) and numerous public figures such as the head of the IDF and school systems saying they will refuse to accept illegal orders.


Just more of your Jew-hating double standard.
 

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In the 66 pages of this thread you have only brought up accusations against Hamas while defending Ben Gvir's storming of Al Aqsa.
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Wow, that is more of your stupidity. 66 pages filled with me calling Ben Gvir a racist and identifying violence from settler militants as terrorists but all you do is post bullshit to cover for the fact that you refuse to admit there is such a thing as violent Palestinians who are racists against human rights and against peace.


Instead you keep pretending Hamas has given up on terrorism despite endless news stories where they take credit for attacks on civilians. Like Ben Gvir, Hamas doesn't hide their racism and their don't hide their violent goals yet in your racist elitism, you can't even hold Hamas accountable for their actions.

Although considering how many times you've said attacks on random Jewish civilians in the West Bank isn't terrorism and Gaza rockets aren't war crimes, I guess in your mind it somehow makes sense.
 

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Now you're also calling some Jews 'terrorists'?
Doesn't that mean there is no moral superiority any more?

Just apartheid?
Sorry but small scale Jewish terrorist groups that represent a tiny percentage of the country are not comparable with the Palestinian terrorist groups that represent a huge part of Palestinian government.
 

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You and basketcase called Defence for Children International 'terrorists'.
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Keep spewing your idiotic lies.

I stated the FACT that several high profile PFLP members were either on the board of DCIP or in higher roles in the organization and PFLP is a designated terrorist entity.
 

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franky cannot find posts where i hate palestinians but i can find posts of his where he defends and make excuses for anti-semitic hate crimes, support for terrorists and refuse to condemn hamas
Every post where you try to label Palestinians 'terrorist', your new 'n' word, is you expressing your hatred of Palestinians.
Like your posts trying to link Palestinians to Russians, that's just veiled hate.
Every post of you defending apartheid.....

Keep it up, Lance.

Its also pretty impressive how many of my posts you keep records, really shows they hit the mark.
Even if you get them wrong every time and have to lie about what they say.
 

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I know you like ignoring reality but Hamas arrested and tortured a peace activist for chatting on zoom with Israeli peace activists (which you defended) and the PA repeatedly arrests people for making jokes on social media about Abbas.

But you try and pretend that meeting with actual leaders of what Canada thinks is a terrorist entity is the same as meeting peace activists.

Meanwhile Israel has mass protests against the current government actions (actual protests, not throwing firebombs or trying to breach a border) and numerous public figures such as the head of the IDF and school systems saying they will refuse to accept illegal orders.


Just more of your Jew-hating double standard.
Why would you try to equivocate the treatment of one activist with the apartheid occupation of over 2 million people?
Israel is protesting the government and actions you keep defending, now you say the protests against your views are a sign of success?

By terrorist, he means
You mean the party of the minister of the interior?
Kahane Chai (Kach)
Also known as
Meir's Youth, No'ar Meir Repression of Traitors, State of Yehuda, Sword of David, Dikuy Bogdim, DOV, Judea Police, Kahane Lives, Kfar Tapuah Fund, State of Judea, Judean Legion, Judean Voice, Qomemiyut Movement, Way of the Torah and Yeshiva of the Jewish Idea.

Description
Kahane Chai (Kach) is a marginal, extremist Jewish entity whose goal is the restoration of the biblical state of Israel, replacing democracy with theocracy. Kahane Chai (Kach) advocates expelling Arabs from Israel, expanding Israel's boundaries to include the occupied territories and parts of Jordan, and the strict implementation of Jewish law in Israel. Kahane Chai (Kach) has openly espoused violence against Arabs and the Israeli government as a viable method for establishing a religiously homogenous state. Its activities have included threats to government officials and infrastructure, grenade attacks, armed violence, and bombings.


Just like you believe Hamas attacks are really self defence.

p.s. Funny to hear them yelling about stolen land while marching on land stolen from the Fox and Kickapoo.
Ah, back to your claims that the native people of Palestine have no right to self defence against an illegal occupation.
That's just another form of apartheid, where you deny Palestinians basic human rights.
 

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Every post where you try to label Palestinians 'terrorist', your new 'n' word, is you expressing your hatred of Palestinians.
Like your posts trying to link Palestinians to Russians, that's just veiled hate.
Every post of you defending apartheid.....

Keep it up, Lance.

Its also pretty impressive how many of my posts you keep records, really shows they hit the mark.
Even if you get them wrong every time and have to lie about what they say.

everytime fanky slander me claiming i called all Palestinians terrorists i will display his anti-semitic posts and his posts openly support hamas and other terrorist groups and his defense of anti-jewish hate crimes



quoting the Palestinian Centre for Human Right who are linked to the PLPF terrorist organization







quoting btselem an anti-semitic website who was caught hiring holocaust deniers



racist towards me saying blacks cannot defend israel ignoeing the fact that over 180,000 black people reside in israel which includes 25,000
black americans. quoting jewish voice for peace that supports terrorism and was busted citing neo nazi and white supremacists websites





claiming that black persons cannot support Israel that have over 180,000 black people living there







justifying terrorists attacks against israeli and jewish civilians














supports the anti-jewish vandalizing of a business owned by a Jewish man and making excuses for it







promoting the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region.







apologist for hamas the terror group






defending the PLFP terror group




refuses to condemn anti-jewish hate crimes commited by anti-jewish gangs







refuses to condemn the anti-semitic attacks on jewish shoppers at a supermaket in Thornhill, Ontario Canada.




franky continues to sink deeper and deeper into anti-jewish terrorism. franky defends a mapping project in Massacheusets
anti-jewish activists create a list of jewish organzations for anti-semitic purposes



more anti-black racism





supports and defend anti-semitic actions at the University of Wisconsin




franky butturt at the definition of anti-semitism because he is one





franky defends a terrorist that was killed in a shootout with the IDF





defends hamas claiming that it is islamophobic to call hamas terrrorists



defending an anti-semitic terror supporting rally




defending a terrorist attack against a security guard(security guards are civilians)



still refuses to condemn hamas





post anti-black racism to deflect rom his support for terrorists and anti-jewish hate crimes



justified the murder of a security guard



franky resorts to slander defending the Fatah organization who admitted that they are a terrorist organization




continue to lie and slander



still lying and slander





still defending hamas



saying "intifada means resistance" openly support terrorism against Jews and Israel

 

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everytime fanky slander me claiming i called all Palestinians terrorists i will display his anti-semitic posts and his posts openly support hamas and other terrorist groups and his defense of anti-jewish hate crimes
Hey Lance, have you ever once posted anything that confirms:
1) You don't hate all Palestinians
2) You think Palestinians should have basic human rights
3) Palestinians have the right to stay in their homes and homeland
4) The occupation is illegal
5) Palestinians have the right to self defence
5) Palestinians deserver the same basic human rights as Jewish Israelis?
6) There are civilian Palestinians who are not terrorists.

Go ahead and confirm or deny those statements.
Then we can confirm whether or not you hate all Palestinians and think they are all terrorists.
 

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Hey Lance, have you ever once posted anything that confirms:
1) You don't hate all Palestinians
2) You think Palestinians should have basic human rights
3) Palestinians have the right to stay in their homes and homeland
4) The occupation is illegal
5) Palestinians have the right to self defence
5) Palestinians deserver the same basic human rights as Jewish Israelis?
6) There are civilian Palestinians who are not terrorists.

Go ahead and confirm or deny those statements.
Then we can confirm whether or not you hate all Palestinians and think they are all terrorists.

franky continues is lies and slander towards me. when he accuse other terb members and lying about his posts he runs to and complain to the moderators


here is franky saying the intafada(terrorism and against israelis and jews) is resistance





the rest of his terrorism apologism and anti-jewish postings



quoting the Palestinian Centre for Human Right who are linked to the PLPF terrorist organization







quoting btselem an anti-semitic website who was caught hiring holocaust deniers



racist towards me saying blacks cannot defend israel ignoeing the fact that over 180,000 black people reside in israel which includes 25,000
black americans. quoting jewish voice for peace that supports terrorism and was busted citing neo nazi and white supremacists websites





claiming that black persons cannot support Israel that have over 180,000 black people living there







justifying terrorists attacks against israeli and jewish civilians














supports the anti-jewish vandalizing of a business owned by a Jewish man and making excuses for it







promoting the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region.







apologist for hamas the terror group






defending the PLFP terror group




refuses to condemn anti-jewish hate crimes commited by anti-jewish gangs







refuses to condemn the anti-semitic attacks on jewish shoppers at a supermaket in Thornhill, Ontario Canada.




franky continues to sink deeper and deeper into anti-jewish terrorism. franky defends a mapping project in Massacheusets
anti-jewish activists create a list of jewish organzations for anti-semitic purposes



more anti-black racism





supports and defend anti-semitic actions at the University of Wisconsin




franky butturt at the definition of anti-semitism because he is one





franky defends a terrorist that was killed in a shootout with the IDF





defends hamas claiming that it is islamophobic to call hamas terrrorists



defending an anti-semitic terror supporting rally




defending a terrorist attack against a security guard(security guards are civilians)



still refuses to condemn hamas





post anti-black racism to deflect rom his support for terrorists and anti-jewish hate crimes



justified the murder of a security guard



franky resorts to slander defending the Fatah organization who admitted that they are a terrorist organization




continue to lie and slander



still lying and slander





still defending hamas

 

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franky continues is lies and slander towards me. when he accuse other terb members and lying about his posts he runs to and complain to the moderators


here is franky saying the intafada(terrorism and against israelis and jews) is resistance
Hey Lance,
You couldn't answer any of those questions honestly, could you?
Not surprising.

By the way:
Intifada
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
An intifada (Arabic: انتفاضة intifāḍah) is a rebellion or uprising, or a resistance movement. It is a key concept in contemporary Arabic usage referring to a legitimate uprising against oppression.[1]

By calling Intifada 'terrorism' you are refusing to admit Palestinians have a right to resist an occupation the UN says is illegal.
That's defending apartheid, the taking away of human rights based on race.
 
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Hey Lance,
You couldn't answer any of those questions honestly, could you?
Not surprising.

By the way:
Intifada
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
An intifada (Arabic: انتفاضة intifāḍah) is a rebellion or uprising, or a resistance movement. It is a key concept in contemporary Arabic usage referring to a legitimate uprising against oppression.[1]

By calling Intifada 'terrorism' you are refusing to admit Palestinians have a right to resist an occupation the UN says is illegal.
That's defending apartheid, the taking away of human rights based on race.

there was NO INTIFADA for 19 years when the Gaza Strip was occupied and annexed by Egypt before 1967 and none when the West Bank was occupied and annexed by Jordan before 1967. don't give more regurgitated propaganda
 
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