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Toronto Star poll over masks backfires spectacularly

Phil C. McNasty

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Here you go. 2 videos I just found on youtube of the Eaton Centre over the last couple of days.
I would estimate about 10 to maybe 15% of people were wearing masks.
Certainly not 53% the media is making it out to be. Not even close!!

This one was recorded 6 days ago. Ffwd to 9:00


And this video was uploaded that same day by a different person

 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Yorkdale Mall. Uploaded 3 days ago.
Again, looks like between 10 and 15% are wearing masks. Certainly no more than 20%.
That means 80% are not wearing masks, which is right in line with the polls I posted

 
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I was surprised but it is true. Granted majority of the masked were women, didn't notice too many dudes masked except for the older ones.
The cashiers all masked I believe, but the 50% part you're pulling out of your ass
When Phil doesn't like hearing something he'll either tell you that you're stupid or lying. He's all class.

Actually, I'm surprised that they allow him to call Ceiling Cat a retard.
 

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I noticed that the numbers of people wearing masks in malls is on the rise. Sooner or later there will be a larger proportion, as those with kids are realizing that the when they rush their kids to hospitals, thanks to Dougie boy the hospitals cannot cope!!
 

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They wear N95 masks when dealing with Covid patients
Did you even read what I posted?

N95 are used by people working in high infection areas to prevent reduce the chance of getting infected. Most hospital staff don't wear them because they aren't in a high-infection area and wear surgical masks to prevent the possibility of them infecting others.

And a level 3 surgical mask offers almost as much protection as an N95, especially when it's not properly fitted including being closely shaved.
 

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Did you even read what I posted?

N95 are used by people working in high infection areas to prevent reduce the chance of getting infected. Most hospital staff don't wear them because they aren't in a high-infection area and wear surgical masks to prevent the possibility of them infecting others.

And a level 3 surgical mask offers almost as much protection as an N95, especially when it's not properly fitted including being closely shaved
Right, and the reason why they wear N95 masks when dealing with Covid patients is because surgical masks dont do a damn thing when protecting yourself from Covid.

Ironically you are agreeing with what I'm saying 😂
 

Phil C. McNasty

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So no explanation from you why the Doctors and Nurses are wearing masks in Hospital if it "does not work"!!
If you paid attention to what I've been saying over the last 2 years you'll know that I have always stated N95 masks are needed to reduce Covid numbers, not those cheap surgical masks
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Square one in Mississauga. Uploaded 4 days ago.
I spotted only 6 people wearing a mask (out of 50 to 100 people)

 

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Right, and the reason why they wear N95 masks when dealing with Covid patients is because surgical masks dont do a damn thing when protecting yourself from Covid.

Ironically you are agreeing with what I'm saying 😂
Amazing how you keep stupidly parroting the same idiocy. N95 provide a few percentage points benefit over level 3 surgical masks. That small advantage is useful for people who spend all day face to face with infected people. In case you missed it, the 95 refers to 95% effectiveness. NIOSH approved surgical masks test at 80-90% filtration.

I've always been interested in how people convince themselves of this all or nothing mentality.
 
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If you paid attention to what I've been saying over the last 2 years you'll know that I have always stated N95 masks are needed to reduce Covid numbers, not those cheap surgical masks
Yes, you keep saying this despite knowing that there is no way to ensure people were clean shaven and wearing properly fitted masks that they change every couple hours. Even the crappy non-medical masks provide some benefit while even level 4 lab certification doesn't 100% guarantee protection.
 

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If you look at the Ontario and US data, masks had no impact in stopping Covid
If you paid attention to what I've been saying over the last 2 years you'll know that I have always stated N95 masks are needed to reduce Covid numbers, not those cheap surgical masks
I do not have the time to read all your posts with regards to Masks. Just the ones that you respond to me. Your above response was Masks had no impact in stopping Covid. No mention of the N95 masks. By the way there are both surgical and standard non medical N95 masks. But had mandatory masks not been implemented then the infection and death numbers would have been much higher especially when the vaccines were not available. It is clear that a combination of masks and vaccines succeeded in significantly reducing the infection and death rates from Covid-19. The only reason that these numbers took that long to be brought under control was due to those deniers who cared not a fig about this virus. After all when push came to shove only then did Dougie Boy decide to resume the restrictions!! Remember it, when he were shut down once again in the Spring of 2021 when the numbers were surging out of control and masks became mandatory again?
 
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After all when push came to shove only then did Dougie Boy decide to resume the restrictions!! Remember it, when he were shut down once again in the Spring of 2021 when the numbers were surging out of control and masks became mandatory again?
Dougie decided NOTHING. He and the top Dr just followed what everyone else was doing. Dougie is no leader
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I do not have the time to read all your posts with regards to Masks. Just the ones that you respond to me. Your above response was Masks had no impact in stopping Covid. No mention of the N95 masks. By the way there are both surgical and standard non medical N95 masks. But had mandatory masks not been implemented then the infection and death numbers would have been much higher especially when the vaccines were not available. It is clear that a combination of masks and vaccines succeeded in significantly reducing the infection and death rates from Covid-19
The vaccines did, but not the masks. Here's the data from all US States:


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The vaccines did, but not the masks. Here's the data from all US States.


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We know that a State like Florida that had no mandates, had more than twice the cases as compared to the whole of Canada!!:
This is the latest study. What you posted did not take into account the rural and urban areas where the spread is far more significant!!

Schools that kept mask mandates saw significantly fewer COVID-19 cases: study

Around 30 per cent of COVID-19 cases among students and staff in schools around Boston could possibly have been prevented if they hadn’t lifted their masking mandates, according to a new U.S. study.

Researchers looked at more than 70 school districts to compare those that had mask mandates with those that didn’t, and found that masking in schools was associated with significantly fewer COVID-19 cases.

School districts in the greater Boston area that lifted mask mandates last February saw an additional 44.9 COVID-19 cases per 1,000 students and staff across 15 weeks compared to schools that kept masking, according to the study.

This comes out to nearly 12,000 cases of COVID-19 connected to the lifting of mask mandates in this region, making up roughly 30 per cent of the cases at that time across all of the school districts.

When looking at only COVID-19 among staff, the impact of masking was even clearer: school districts with no mask requirements had an additional 81 cases per 1,000 staff members overall, with case rates nearly double that of schools that kept masking.

“Our study shows that universal masking is an important strategy to reduce transmission in schools and one that should be considered in mitigation planning to keep students and staff healthier and minimize loss of in-person school days,” Tori Cowger, corresponding author and Health and Human Rights fellow in the FXB Center for Health and Human Rights at Harvard Chan School, said in a press release.

“Our results also suggest that universal masking may be an important tool for mitigating structural inequities that have led to unequal conditions in schools and differential risk of severe COVID-19, educational disruptions, and health and economic effects of secondary transmission to household members.”

This study comes amid calls from health experts and officials for Canadians to start wearing masks again if they’d stopped. Ontario Premier Doug Ford advised the public on Sunday to "wear a mask every time possible,” and the province’s top doctor is set to recommend masking on Monday — but it’s unclear if this advice will lead to a provincial mask mandate in schools and businesses.

Mask mandates have all but vanished in many areas of Canada this year, despite COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths occurring at higher rates than in 2021.

As of Nov. 7, there were 6,083 people hospitalized with COVID-19 in Canada. Last year, the highest number of people hospitalized with COVID-19 at one time was 4,930, according to the federal government.

STUDY FINDS MASKING MEANS LESS KIDS AND TEACHERS WITH COVID-19
Numerous studies have shown that wearing a mask in public indoor spaces can provide greater protection against COVID-19 and other airborne viruses, but not many studies have been able to directly compare the results of schools having mask mandates to those that removed them.

Massachusetts rescinded their universal masking mandate for public schools in February 2022, and the vast majority of schools responded by dropping their mask mandates.

Only two school districts — Boston and Chelsea — decided to keep their masking requirements in place through June 2022, providing a perfect opportunity for researchers to compare the incidence rate between schools that mandated masks and those that didn’t.

The resulting study, published earlier this week in the New England Journal of Medicine, tracked 72 school districts in the greater Boston area for 15 weeks after the statewide mask mandate was lifted.

This covered more than 294,000 students and 46,500 staff.

Prior to the lifting of the statewide masking requirement, the trends of COVID-19 cases were relatively similar across all of the school districts.

Only after some schools stopped requiring masks and other didn’t did a new trend begin to emerge.

Graphs of the COVID-19 incidence rate in the included school districts show that cases increased across the board in all schools as case levels rose in the community. But schools that lifted mask requirements saw a much bigger increase in cases than those that didn’t.

Forty-six of the school districts lifted masking requirements during the first school week after the statewide mandate was lifted, while 17 districts lifted their mandates in the second week, followed by seven districts in the third week. Only two school districts kept their masking requirements to the end of the school year.

Schools that lifted their mask mandate in the first week had the highest COVID-19 incidence level among staff of all districts, while schools that lifted their masking mandate in the second week had the highest incidence level among students by themselves, as well as students and staff combined.

The two districts that maintained mask mandates reached around 10 weekly cases of COVID-19 per 100 students and staff during their highest peak of cases in late May.

At the same time, the other districts were experiencing 15-25 weekly cases per 100 students, around 50-150 per cent higher.

There was also a clear toll in terms of learning hours for students attending a school without masking requirements. Researchers calculated that because those who had a positive COVID-19 test were required to quarantine at home for at least five days, the additional cases associated with a lack of masking mandates translated to at least 17,500 missed days of school for children and 6,500 missed days for staff during those 15 weeks.

“This study provides clear support for the importance of universal masking to reduce transmission of COVID-19 in school settings, especially when community COVID levels are high,” Eleanor Murray, assistant professor of epidemiology at Boston University School of Public Health and study co-author, said in the release. “Masking reduces COVID-19 transmission in schools in an equitable and easy to implement way and should be part of any layered mitigation strategy.”

Researchers also noted that the school districts that chose to keep their masking requirements tended to have older school buildings that may have had poorer ventilation or fewer windows, had more students per class, and generally served lower-income communities, stating that universal masking can help make up some of the inequalities that poorer students may already face.

 
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bver_hunter

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Dougie decided NOTHING. He and the top Dr just followed what everyone else was doing. Dougie is no leader
Yes, Dougie is clueless about something as serious as the Pandemic. He acts when things get from bad to worse. He is no leader and goodness knows why he was given a second term!!
 

Phil C. McNasty

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We know that a State like Florida that had no mandates, had more than twice the cases as compared to the whole of Canada!!:
This is the latest study. What you posted did not take into account the rural and urban areas where the spread is far more significant!!
Florida has a MUCH larger population of old people, of course they were gonna have a lot more infections and deaths.
And you are cherry-picking one State, and conveniently ignoring all the other US States that didnt have higher infection rates, even though they had no mask mandate

STUDY FINDS MASKING MEANS LESS KIDS AND TEACHERS WITH COVID-19
Numerous studies have shown that wearing a mask in public indoor spaces can provide greater protection against COVID-19 and other airborne viruses, but not many studies have been able to directly compare the results of schools having mask mandates to those that removed them.

Massachusetts rescinded their universal masking mandate for public schools in February 2022, and the vast majority of schools responded by dropping their mask mandates.

Only two school districts — Boston and Chelsea — decided to keep their masking requirements in place through June 2022, providing a perfect opportunity for researchers to compare the incidence rate between schools that mandated masks and those that didn’t.

The resulting study, published earlier this week in the New England Journal of Medicine, tracked 72 school districts in the greater Boston area for 15 weeks after the statewide mask mandate was lifted.

This covered more than 294,000 students and 46,500 staff.

Prior to the lifting of the statewide masking requirement, the trends of COVID-19 cases were relatively similar across all of the school districts.

Only after some schools stopped requiring masks and other didn’t did a new trend begin to emerge.

Graphs of the COVID-19 incidence rate in the included school districts show that cases increased across the board in all schools as case levels rose in the community. But schools that lifted mask requirements saw a much bigger increase in cases than those that didn’t.

Forty-six of the school districts lifted masking requirements during the first school week after the statewide mandate was lifted, while 17 districts lifted their mandates in the second week, followed by seven districts in the third week. Only two school districts kept their masking requirements to the end of the school year.

Schools that lifted their mask mandate in the first week had the highest COVID-19 incidence level among staff of all districts, while schools that lifted their masking mandate in the second week had the highest incidence level among students by themselves, as well as students and staff combined.

The two districts that maintained mask mandates reached around 10 weekly cases of COVID-19 per 100 students and staff during their highest peak of cases in late May.

At the same time, the other districts were experiencing 15-25 weekly cases per 100 students, around 50-150 per cent higher.

There was also a clear toll in terms of learning hours for students attending a school without masking requirements. Researchers calculated that because those who had a positive COVID-19 test were required to quarantine at home for at least five days, the additional cases associated with a lack of masking mandates translated to at least 17,500 missed days of school for children and 6,500 missed days for staff during those 15 weeks.

“This study provides clear support for the importance of universal masking to reduce transmission of COVID-19 in school settings, especially when community COVID levels are high,” Eleanor Murray, assistant professor of epidemiology at Boston University School of Public Health and study co-author, said in the release. “Masking reduces COVID-19 transmission in schools in an equitable and easy to implement way and should be part of any layered mitigation strategy.”

Researchers also noted that the school districts that chose to keep their masking requirements tended to have older school buildings that may have had poorer ventilation or fewer windows, had more students per class, and generally served lower-income communities, stating that universal masking can help make up some of the inequalities that poorer students may already face.

Again, you have to look at the entire country and not 72 school districts in the greater Boston area.

You guys have lost this debate. Why cant you just admit you are wrong??
 
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