Toronto Star poll over masks backfires spectacularly

[bver_hunter]

Florida has a MUCH larger population of old people, of course they were gonna have a lot more infections and deaths.
And you are cherry-picking one State, and conveniently ignoring all the other US States that didnt have higher infection rates, even though they had no mask mandate


Again, you have to look at the entire country and not 72 school districts in the greater Boston area.

You guys have lost this debate. Why cant you just admit you are wrong??

See once again you cannot even accept the study that compares LIKE with LIKE and proved that masking mandates were effective against the spread of the virus.
This is the most recent study and of course instead you are cherry picking with States that have a rural population that would definitely have less of an infection rate as compared to the more congested states. You have definitely lost the debate like in the previous debates you will just go on and on!!

Tell us why Ontario and Quebec have higher infection numbers than the more rural provinces? We know that cities like Toronto and Montreal that are heavily populated will of course have higher infection rates, than Manitoba and Saskatchewan. But when Ontario and Quebec imposed the restrictions provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan were the ones to start shipping their ICU needing patients to other provinces, as they did not impose the restrictions until very late in the game!!

By the way 19% of Canadians are over 65 whereas in Florida it is just around 22%. So not that huge a difference to justify having more than double the infection and death numbers as compared to the whole of Canada. Once again you have lost the debate!!

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

See once again you cannot even accept the study that compares LIKE with LIKE and proved that masking mandates were effective against the spread of the virus.
This is the most recent study and of course instead you are cherry picking with States that have a rural population that would definitely have less of an infection rate as compared to the more congested states

I did not cherry pick anything.
Cities that had no mask mandate compared to those that did still showed about the same infection rates.

And another thing, you cannot look at death rates. You can only look at infection rates.
Deaths from Covid is most often caused by comorbidities.
You have to look at whether masks reduced initial infection rates (not death rates), and if all States had about the same infection rate then masks didnt stop the spread.

Ditch the masks and breathe easier already — it’s time to ‘face’ the facts

Covering up may give the maskaholics a false sense of security — but they could breathe more easily if they’d just face the facts.

nypost.com

As you can see from the lines’ similar trajectories, the mask mandates hardly controlled the virus, and if you add up all the numbers on those two lines, you find that the mask mandates made zero difference. The cumulative rate of infection over the course of the pandemic was about 24% in the mandate states as well as in the non-mandate states

 

[bver_hunter]

I did not cherry pick anything.
Cities that had no mask mandate compared to those that did still showed about the same infection rates.

And another thing, you cannot look at death rates. You can only look at infection rates.
Deaths from Covid is most often caused by comorbidities.
You have to look at whether masks reduced initial infection rates (not death rates), and if all States had about the same infection rate then masks didnt stop the spread.

Ditch the masks and breathe easier already — it’s time to ‘face’ the facts

Covering up may give the maskaholics a false sense of security — but they could breathe more easily if they’d just face the facts.

nypost.com

Again I showed you a true LIKE for LIKE with the schools in Boston where it clearly indicated that schools that implemented the masks mandate had a significantly lower infection rate than those that did not have any restrictions. Clearly both the death rates and the infection rates in Florida were more than twice that of the whole of Canada!!

Schools that kept mask mandates saw significantly fewer COVID-19 cases: study

Masking in schools can lead to significantly fewer COVID-19 cases among students and staff, according to a new U.S. study that looked at more than 70 school districts to compare those that had mask mandates with those that didn’t.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Again I showed you a true LIKE for LIKE with the schools in Boston where it clearly indicated that schools that implemented the masks mandate had a significantly lower infection rate than those that did not have any restrictions

That is a tiny sample size compared to the entire country in the link that I posted.
You dont seem to understand how statistics work

 

[bver_hunter]

That is a tiny sample size compared to the entire country in the link that I posted.
You dont seem to understand how statistics work

Try comparing apples with apples and not with monkey nuts!!

Obviously, you do not appreciate the real statistics and study from apples with apples.

Then still no explanation about why Florida has more than twice the infections and deaths as compared to the whole of Canada, especially as their population does not match that of Canada!!

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

BTW its nice to see you Lefties have abandoned that 53% of Toronto wants masks mandated.
Clearly the vast majority of people in the shopping malls videos I posted were NOT wearing masks

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Then still no explanation about why Florida has more than twice the infections and deaths as compared to the whole of Canada, especially as their population does not match that of Canada!!

Have you ever been to Florida?? I see more fat people in 5 minutes in Orlando than I see in Toronto all day
Since being overweight is one of the biggest Covid comorbidities, thats probably the reason

Read: https://www.science.org/content/article/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young

 

[basketcase]

Not true.
...

Wow. That's quite the convincing argument (for a 4 year old).

But I'll make a feeble attempt to provide contrary evidence.

Effectiveness of Face Mask or Respirator Use in Indoor ...

This report describes face mask or respirator effectiveness in helping protect against COVID-19 infection.

www.cdc.gov

Efficacy of masks and face coverings in controlling outward aerosol particle emission from expiratory activities - Scientific Reports

The COVID-19 pandemic triggered a surge in demand for facemasks to protect against disease transmission. In response to shortages, many public health authorities have recommended homemade masks as acceptable alternatives to surgical masks and N95 respirators. Although mask wearing is intended...

www.nature.com

(and in case you can't read data, the metastudy shows a slight advantage for surgical masks)

 

[basketcase]

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Do you care to share what data the NEW YORK POST used to make that graph?

 

[basketcase]

Florida has a MUCH larger population of old people,...

I love when you post uncontextualized data when you think it supports your view but try to pick apart anything that refutes it.

No one doubts that N95 (when properly fitted and worn) have an advantage over surgical masks in preventing the wearer from getting infected. We just all think it's stupid to claim that other masks are useless (especially when hospitals required surgical masks all pandemic).


p.s. You saying we're wrong doesn't win any discussions and doesn''t alter what actual science says.

 

[Valcazar]

Do you care to share what data the NEW YORK POST used to make that graph?

It's a guy from the Brownstone institute I think.
He has a book.

And I am sure if we look at how "had a mask mandate" and "didn't have a mask mandate" are defined we would see some interesting things.

 

[bver_hunter]

Have you ever been to Florida?? I see more fat people in 5 minutes in Orlando than I see in Toronto all day
Since being overweight is one of the biggest Covid comorbidities, thats probably the reason

Read: https://www.science.org/content/article/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young

You keep on moving the goal posts on a constant basis. Previously you came up with the debunked notion that Florida had a "MUCH larger population of old people" as compared to Canada. Obviously, that was false. Now you are trying to justify these high deaths and infection rates due to "obesity". I have been several times to Florida, but have not taken my measuring tape to obtain the waist measurements of these "obese" residents!! Even if they were in danger due to obesity any medical expert will tell you then that it is every reason to mask up, as well as to be in a safe environment where masks are worn by all!!

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Wow. That's quite the convincing argument (for a 4 year old).

But I'll make a feeble attempt to provide contrary evidence.
View attachment 188940

Effectiveness of Face Mask or Respirator Use in Indoor ...

This report describes face mask or respirator effectiveness in helping protect against COVID-19 infection.

www.cdc.gov

View attachment 188942

Efficacy of masks and face coverings in controlling outward aerosol particle emission from expiratory activities - Scientific Reports

The COVID-19 pandemic triggered a surge in demand for facemasks to protect against disease transmission. In response to shortages, many public health authorities have recommended homemade masks as acceptable alternatives to surgical masks and N95 respirators. Although mask wearing is intended...

www.nature.com

(and in case you can't read data, the metastudy shows a slight advantage for surgical masks)

The CDC has consistently been posting wrong information from the start of the pandemic

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I love when you post uncontextualized data when you think it supports your view but try to pick apart anything that refutes it.

No one doubts that N95 (when properly fitted and worn) have an advantage over surgical masks in preventing the wearer from getting infected. We just all think it's stupid to claim that other masks are useless (especially when hospitals required surgical masks all pandemic).


p.s. You saying we're wrong doesn't win any discussions and doesn''t alter what actual science says.

Here comes the final nail in your coffin, honeybun.

Sweden, no mask mandate. 2.6 million total infections: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Denmark, strict mask mandate. 3.1 million total infections: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/

Granted, Sweden had many more deaths, but that has nothing to do with the thread topic, which is do masks reduce spread of the virus.
Also keep in mind that Sweden has almost TWICE the population of Denmark.

Check, and checkmate

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You keep on moving the goal posts on a constant basis. Previously you came up with the debunked notion that Florida had a "MUCH larger population of old people" as compared to Canada. Obviously, that was false. Now you are trying to justify these high deaths and infection rates due to "obesity". I have been several times to Florida, but have not taken my measuring tape to obtain the waist measurements of these "obese" residents!! Even if they were in danger due to obesity any medical expert will tell you then that it is every reason to mask up, as well as to be in a safe environment where masks are worn by all!!

Tell you what, sweetheart. Explain to me in your own words why Sweden had a much lower infection rate than Denmark did, even though they had no mask mandate.
Heck, they didnt even have lockdowns. Read my post below and click on the links:

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/toronto-star-poll-over-masks-backfires-spectacularly.800012/post-7713607

 

[squeezer]

Tell you what, sweetheart. Explain to me in your own words why Sweden had a much lower infection rate than Denmark did, even though they had no mask mandate.
Heck, they didnt even have lockdowns. Read my post below and click on the links:

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/toronto-star-poll-over-masks-backfires-spectacularly.800012/post-7713607

Just a question and it is not about masks because I don't want you spinning faster and faster chasing that tail. My question is why do you call grown men sweetheart and Honeybun?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Just a question and it is not about masks because I don't want you spinning faster and faster chasing that tail. My question is why do you call grown men sweetheart and Honeybun?

Because after I've dealt a crucial blow by winning my argument I like to soften it up a little to help make you feel better

 

[squeezer]

Because after I've dealt a crucial blow by winning my argument I like to soften it up a little to help make you feel better

I must have missed that crucial blow part

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I must have missed that crucial blow part

I know you did

 

[bver_hunter]

Tell you what, sweetheart. Explain to me in your own words why Sweden had a much lower infection rate than Denmark did, even though they had no mask mandate.
Heck, they didnt even have lockdowns. Read my post below and click on the links:

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/toronto-star-poll-over-masks-backfires-spectacularly.800012/post-7713607

Hey Honeybuns, the fact is that Sweden had 3 times the death rate of Denmark. Maybe that is okay with you!!

But why go across the pond when we can take Canada and USA as prime examples. Canada had longer closures and restrictions than the USA. Well oh well, the USA had per capita over. 2.0 times the infection and death rates as compared to Canada. Does that say something, that in spite of Canada being behind in the vaccines as compared to the USA, we still fared a lot better than them. Of course we eventually surpassed them in vaccine administrations to Canadians!!