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Prominent conservatives issue 72 Page report rebutting Trump election claims

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Yes, grifting is often within law. BUT, don't tell me lefties don't grift. ROTFLMFAO!!
The stark contrast is the GOP openly grifts and misappropriates funds and I am not aware of the democrats doing this. There may be groups supported by the democrats which have grifted but the BLM is not the democratic party just like the KKK is not the GOP, they are just supported by them. Have the democrats raised millions for climate change and pocketed all the cash like dump did with his big lie ? Jared's 2 billion dollar payout by MBS is by far the biggest grift of all time yet fox is more concerned with hunters paltry few millions. Lots of shady stuff goes on both sides of the aisle but the right wingers like Bannon and Trump have no issues bilking idiots and businesses buying access under completely false pretenses.
 

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ROTFLMFAO!!

Nah, when you get a court decision it looks much different. Like the rump family who were told by the courts they aren't allowed to run charity foundations any more.
 
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You are misinformed. As an example, produce a link to a Pennsylvania government report which addresses all of the allegations raised in the myriad cases brought in that jurisdiction. It doesn't exist. Then try Michigan. The audits you refer to are recounts. Recounts are not audits. What people "can find" when full access to the evidence is denied to them is not of any persuasive value.


That's a theory, and there's no doubt that prominent public figures continue to be skeptical regarding the election, but you are overlooking the more obvious explanation that the critical states have done their best to avoid full scrutiny and/or providing full answers to the allegations made regarding the process in their states.


Reasonable theories are why investigations take place. If you had to "prove" your complaint in order to justify an investigation, there would be no need for investigations.
Interesting take. But as KDK wrote, didn't these pro-trump groups run investigations, not just simply recounts? (Eg the cyber ninjas). Moreover, when I watched some of the Jan 6 hearings the Trump DOJ lawyers/officials including Bill Barr all said - under oath - they were chasing down all sorts of allegations none of which withstood minimum scrutiny. The pillow guy did a live thing to prove his packets theory, and his own experts said nothing is there. All the "maths" blokes have been bouncing around the USA claiming their maths prove fraud have been thoroughly debunked.

And I'd add having a theory means nothing if it not based on some evidence. If my theory is someone is murderer, that I just have a feeling, that they leave their house for 9 hours a day, I'm not sure what they're doing...is not grounds to open an investigation. Ya need more. And a pol who is trailing in the polls - 8 pts right before the 2020 election, according to the Financial Times https://ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/polls/
- and loses by 4 points is not probable cause. A pol who was reviled by a majority of the country and never got above 45% approval and who lost is not probable cause.

Remember mail ins were allowed because it was a pandemic. But I think the Fox crowd makes people think any vote that comes in via mail is counted. It is not. It is compared to the registered voter list. Name must match. Signature must match. And it is cross checked to make sure they did not vote in person. Moreover, why did these same voters not vote for dems in senate or house, who outperformed those polls?

I think KDK is right and it makes sense to me that the incessant, breathless, every day a new fraud (which gets debunked, but quietly dropped in favour of the next breathless theory) has so burned in a feeling of fraud into a significant proportion of the USA population that it seems no information can change their minds. It reminds me of the mass sexual abuse cases in the 1980s in USA and Australia where no corroborating info uncovered, to the point the true believers argued that the absence of evidence for the mass abuse is in fact proof of the mass abuse but that these evil Satanists are not just guilty but so clever they perfectly covered their tracks.

Carl Sagan always said big claims require big evidence. Claiming a USA national election was "rigged" or fraudulent is a massive claim.

Moreover the biggest claimants of fraud either refuse to go under oath, or those who have gone under oath admit they don't have any evidence, or claim no reasonable person should believe their fraud claims. Full stop. About as open and shut as anything I've seen.
 

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The stark contrast is the GOP openly grifts and misappropriates funds and I am not aware of the democrats doing this. There may be groups supported by the democrats which have grifted but the BLM is not the democratic party just like the KKK is not the GOP, they are just supported by them. Have the democrats raised millions for climate change and pocketed all the cash like dump did with his big lie ? Jared's 2 billion dollar payout by MBS is by far the biggest grift of all time yet fox is more concerned with hunters paltry few millions. Lots of shady stuff goes on both sides of the aisle but the right wingers like Bannon and Trump have no issues bilking idiots and businesses buying access under completely false pretenses.
KKK was composed of Democrats.
 

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KKK was composed of Democrats.
Yes. This is true. Democrats were the racist party. In the 1930s. Then, a crazy thing started happened in the late 1940s, where the GOP and Democrats switched platforms. It was weird. It was odd. It saw Democrat's embrace civil rights and equality, while the GOP started to court the southerners who were violently opposed to that idea. They started using the Southern Strategy, while southern Democrats (even Dixie-crats) became Republicans. How do you think anti-segregationist Strom Thurmond became a GOP Senator??? Why did a former KKK Grand Wizard attempt to be a GOP Congressman??? There are literally hundreds of politicians at the state and federal level in the South that left the Democratic party to join the GOP -- expressly because they were against civil rights and wanted segregation and Jim Crow laws.

So, yes, the Democratic party has a horrible history on race relations - 60+ years ago. Today, the GOP continues to attract white supremacists and Klan members. This is such a pathetic attempt at a "gotcha" response that it is almost comical.
 
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You have it exactly wrong. That was another instance of the courts not interfering with the election result.
I'd call that interference. I mean, the State court ordered the recount, and the SCOTUS overruled them. It was such a tight race that maybe Gore might have prevailed. But he, unlike Trump and his recounts in Arizona and Wisconsin, wasn't given the opportunity.
 

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Right alright like dick Cheneys Haliburton
LOL! Or like that paragon of wokness , Justin, and WE or SNC Lavalin... fucking Canadians and feathering his own nest while still in.office. Yeah, lefties don't grift. ROTFLMFAO!!!
 

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The court cases were only decisions based on standards established by courts (not legislators) for obtaining pre-trial relief, which, frankly, are designed to make it extremely difficult for courts to overturn, or delay certification of elections.

Anything the judges said about "merit" in that context is strictly limited to that legal exercise.

Judges have no power to determine whether government officials can decide whether to audit elections (unless a law binds an official to do it) or whether they should report fully to the public concerning any election concerns raised.

You misunderstand the role of courts with respect to this issue (and probably their role in society overall).
None of that is accurate and most of it is misleading…
 
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LOL! Or like that paragon of wokness , Justin, and WE or SNC Lavalin... fucking Canadians and feathering his own nest while still in.office. Yeah, lefties don't grift. ROTFLMFAO!!!
All politicians are into for themselves…Trump brought it too another level.
 

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Yes. This is true. Democrats were the racist party. In the 1930s. Then, a crazy thing started happened in the late 1940s, where the GOP and Democrats switched platforms. It was weird. It was odd. It saw Democrat's embrace civil rights and equality, while the GOP started to court the southerners who were violently opposed to that idea. They started using the Southern Strategy, while southern Democrats (even Dixie-crats) became Republicans. How do you think anti-segregationist Strom Thurmond became a GOP Senator??? Why did a former KKK Grand Wizard attempt to be a GOP Congressman??? There are literally hundreds of politicians at the state and federal level in the South that left the Democratic party to join the GOP -- expressly because they were against civil rights and wanted segregation and Jim Crow laws.

So, yes, the Democratic party has a horrible history on race relations - 60+ years ago. Today, the GOP continues to attract white supremacists and Klan members. This is such a pathetic attempt at a "gotcha" response that it is almost comical.
For every season, spin, spin, spin.... On every subject, spin, spin, spin... To this very day , all you need is to look at the Democrat run cities and that's all you need to know about the Democrat "about face" on the race relations- murder, poverty and mayhem.
 

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For every season, spin, spin, spin.... On every subject, spin, spin, spin... To this very day , all you need is to look at the Democrat run cities and that's all you need to know about the Democrat "about face" on the race relations- murder, poverty and mayhem.
Democrat cities?

 

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