It was my comment the first time this came up- an honest an open look will be the only thing that will put this issue to bed. Alas... To be perfectly honest, both sides love the subject which is sad as both sides are contributing to the degradation of the election process and the mistrust in the institutions in general.
Prominent conservatives issue 72 Page report rebutting Trump election claims
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With all due respect, the "battleground" states have audited their results multiple times. Independent auditors found nothing. Biased pro-trump auditors found nothing. 60 court cases found nothing. And now a new pro-republican group finds nothing. No one yet has found anything that withstands people speaking under oath.
Yet, the feeling for people is real. So I agree. But the question is why? The reason is this story line was pushed and pushed and then any possible problem was amplified to the rafters (and when disproven it just fell aside to be replaced by the next inflammatory allegation). Remember, DJT said his primary loss to Ted Cruz was because of fraud. He said 3 million illegal immigrants voted for Hillary in 2016. So, any election Donald Trump has ever been in he alleges fraud. Full stop. But now he has the media infrastructure to amplify it. And, viewers hearing every day about some new outrageous fraud after a while just makes them feel as if something is there, even if they can't point to specific fraud.
Remember Rudy is on record saying he has no evidence for fraud. Only theories. That is not enough.
(Also, if there is fraud, why is the fraud only R votes being changed...why not D votes? After all Biden was winning pre election polls by 7 points, and ended winning the election by 4 points).
I'm in favour of collecting Trump cult members (for their own safety) and giving them a holiday in pastoral settings for much-needed rest and relaxation.
Your suggesting that Republicans who never bought into the leader-worship is a bad thing?
We understand the issue. Some people can't understand how the majority of voters had a different opinion than them and are unwilling to accept an electoral system as legitimate unless it does what they want.
So you are saying that the 60 or so court cases including the Supreme Court were meaningless, as those judges did were "NOT SURE" that the elections were rigged, and they stated their "CONCERNS" about it?
Wonder why the Judges then called it "FRIVOLOUS" and without "ANY MERIT"? ROTFLMAO!!
Now even another lawyer who defended Trump during the Russian Investigation Scandal, has now turned against him. More and more of his defendants have realized that Trump is a very dishonest person and it is time to abandon the Trumptard Sinking Ship!!
www.msnbc.com
Another Trump lawyer publicly turns against his former client
Ty Cobb represented Donald Trump during the Russia scandal. He now sees the former president as “a disaster for the Republican Party.”
Except of course the 4% of Climate Scientists embroiled in the "Climate Hoax" Conspiracy!!
That's more like 0.1% these days.
Poor rumpsters these days.
The GOP is starting to prepare to dump rump, soon enough Fox will turn on them and everyone who thought he was their saviour will have to look for someone new.
Those investigations don't count.
Nothing counts unless it shows what they already believe.
I mean, those might just be "never Trumpers" and you can't believe people who disagree with you.
But that isn't even it.
The investigation has to be BIG and PUBLIC and provide lots of POSSIBLE SCANDALS that they can run in the news for a year or two.
That's what is needed. Then, when it doesn't find anything either, they can say it was blocked by the Deep State and have another one.
It's a PR thing. The claim is that launching a "real investigation" will soothe people who are "concerned" but the point of the "real investigation" is to constantly maintain the narrative that something happened.
That's why none of the actual investigations that happened count for anything. They were quiet and professional and competent and that doesn't help push the narrative.
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Preaching to the choir. Trumpists are gonna put beans in their ears,A substantial number of right wingers on this Board were convinced that the elections were "STOLEN" and the "TRUTH WILL BE REVEALED". Their cult leader still stands by it, but what is unprecedented are the numerous Republicans now coming out with this 72 Page Report to rebuff these huge Trump lies. ROTFLMAO!!
A group of conservatives, including prominent lawyers and retired federal judges, issued a 72-page report on Thursday categorically rebutting each of the claims made in court by former President Donald Trumpand his supporters over the 2020 election results.
The report, “LOST, NOT STOLEN: The Conservative Case that Trump Lost and Biden Won the 2020 Presidential Election,” looked at more than 60 court cases Trump and his supporters filed and lost in six key battleground states. It reached the “unequivocal” conclusion that the former Republican president’s claims were unsupportable – which Trump’s own Department of Homeland Security as well as election officials nationwide debunked days after the 2020 election.
The report was released as the House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol has been holding public hearings that have connected Trump’s involvement in efforts to overturn the 2020 election to the attack that disrupted Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s victory. Trump is considering an early 2024 presidential run announcement, CNN has previously reported.
“There is absolutely no evidence of fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election on the magnitude necessary to shift the result in any state, let alone the nation as a whole. In fact, there was no fraud that changed the outcome in even a single precinct,” the report says.
The report is signed by retired federal appeals court judges Thomas B. Griffith, J. Michael Luttig and Michael W. McConnell, former Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson, former US Sens. John Danforth and Gordon H. Smith, longtime Republican election lawyer Benjamin L. Ginsberg and veteran Republican congressional chief of staff David Hoppe. Several of them are longtime Trump critics.
“Even now, twenty months after the election, a period in which Trump’s supporters have been energetically scouring every nook and cranny for proof that the election was stolen, they come up empty. Claims are made, trumpeted in sympathetic media, and accepted as truthful by many patriotic Americans. But on objective examination they have fallen short, every time,” the report says.
The report warns that it’s “wrong, and bad for our country, for people to propagate baseless claims that President Biden’s election was not legitimate.”
It delved into a detailed examination of each case brought by Trump and his supporters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump and his backers alleged fraud, irregularities and procedural deficiencies in their challenges in court.
Trump and his allies lost nearly all the more than 60 cases they brought challenging the 2020 election results, the report noted. Twenty were dismissed before a hearing on the merits, 14 were dropped by Trump and his supporters, and 30 included a hearing on the merits, it found.
The group of conservatives argued that Trump and his supporters had “an obligation to recognize that the election debate was over.”
“Questions of election legality must be resolved dispassionately in courts of law, not through rallies and demonstrations—and most emphatically, not by applying political pressure and threats to induce Congress to ignore its constitutional duty and the electoral outcome for which the people voted, and which the legal processes of the affected states had examined and confirmed,” the report says.
The group urged “fellow conservatives to cease obsessing over the results of the 2020 election, and to focus instead on presenting candidates and ideas that offer a positive vision for overcoming our current difficulties and bringing greater peace, prosperity, and liberty to our nation.”
The January 6 committee has held seven public hearings so far, presenting witness testimony from Trump campaign and administration staffers that there was no evidence of election fraud and that Trump disregarded warnings that his plan to overturn the election was illegal. The hearings have also detailed Trump’s pressure campaign at different levels of government and his attempts to enlist the Department of Justice in his efforts.
Prominent conservatives issue report rebutting Trump election claims
A group of conservatives, including prominent lawyers and retired federal judges, issued a 72-page report on Thursday categorically rebutting each of the claims made in court by former President Donald Trump and his supporters over the 2020 election results.www.cnn.com
beans in their ears, beans in their ears ...Its called common sense, something you and the lefties here are averse to. If the tables were turned you and your brethren would be crying foul. Shit you still go on about 2016 Russian collusion garbage.
Ballot harvesting was rampant. '2000 Mules' documents it.
States violating Constitution by loosening restrictions on voting by mail. PA, WI, MI, GA
Vote dumps at 4am
Not allowing Republican election observers to properly review vote counts in several Democratic cities Philly, Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta. Many were threatened and intimidated.
Trump won 18/19 bellweather districts including some that have predicted the correct President for over 100 years
Media collusion to suppress information about Biden's corruption
Biden didn't campaign so voters could not see how visibly frail he was both mentally and physically. Paying for that now.
Zuckerberg's $400 million partisan takeover of non-profit voting organizations
Rejected ballot rates fell dramatically in certain strategic Democrat jurisdictions
Taxpayer money used to get out the Democrat vote. This has always been the case but even more so this election.
Illegal voting (out of state) was pervasive in GA and NV.
Thousands of mail in ballots in Fulton County GA had no creases and all were marked for Biden
All of this has been debunked and 2000 Mules is a laughing stock.
If ANY of this was true, then it would have been put before the courts and the courts would have considered the evidence.
If ANY of this was true, why isn't it been put before the courts now?
I could go through what you posted and refute it point by point, but the courts have already made it clear that there is no shred of reality to ANY of this nonsense.
"Bellweather districts"?? - Who cares?! Assuming any of what you write is true, then the "bellweather districts" were off this time. There's no rule saying that bellweather districts are relevant. Biden is "visibly frail"?? - Err, no. Fox and your other viewing favourites doctor and manipulate video.
There's no evidence that Republican election observers were blocked. That's an automatic court order for a recount, if that happens.
This is all silly. If the Dems fixed the vote, why didn't they give themselves a majority in the Senate?
They should be looking into how Guy Carbonneau got into the HHOF…now that had to be rigged!
How come Bill Barr said there was no evidence of fraud?
How come when Rudy and Sydney took these claims to court it lost 60 times?
How come every 'lawyer' on rump's team who pushed these claims is now disbarred or a laughing stock?
How come you don't believe Steve Bannon when he told you exactly what rump was going to do?
How come when a dog throws up we are not studying it’s vomit item per item but when brainwashed do the same you guys feel the need to do it?
