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USSC strikes down Roe v Wade

mandrill

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In watching all of this unfold, I can't help but wonder if all this is the lead up to the next American civil war.
In 1860, the issue was slavery. Pretty clear cut. Either you believed in slavery or you did not believe in slavery. Conveniently, there was a nice easy geographical line that separated those in favour of slavery (in the south) and those who did not believe in slavery (the north). Now it's not so simple from a geographical point of view. However, America is truly polarizing along political lines. When I see this regressive Supreme Court of the United States taking America back essentially more than 50 years and I see Clarence Thomas (there's a guy who has to go, from what I've read, he's totally unfit for the job) talking about rescinding gay marriage and even birth control and you wonder if this could even be happening, you can't help but wonder what the fuck is going on in the United States. Was it always there? Just simmering under the surface?
In the last couple of days, the issue of a civil war has been discussed quite a lot in the media. The idea that there is actually "two United States". When I first read about the notion that America was heading for another civil war I thought it was the dumbest thing I'd ever read in my life. Now I'm not so sure. Texas talking about seceding, Florida's current whackadoodle Governor. Everyone is a racist, Roe v. Wade. Fuck me, it actually might happen. I really wish the Americans would take a step back and just calm the fuck down.
And don't just think that the stupid is the sole property of those on the right. The left has more than its fair share of the stupid. Stupid is an equal opportunity thing.
It's always been two nations. When the South abandoned open segregation and the Democratic Party in the 70's, they found they had a lot in common with the traditionally hardcore GOP Midwest farm belt. Both were ostentatiously patriotic. Both were obsessively religious. Both hated change. And both hated the Democrats and the big cities. And the rest - as they say - is history. You just needed enough pricks and grifters to manipulate things and a few decades to let it all simmer and boil.

It's the same in Canada. Out there in small towns no one's ever heard of, there's crazy ass folks who hate abortion and gays, who go to church each Sunday and who think Trudeau talks to the devil every night to get his marching orders. There's just simply not enough small towns in Canada for those assholes to work up any momentum, or be worth the effort of anyone mobilizing and manipulating them. Canada's an urban, educated country and there's a whole lot more of dumb and rural in the States.
 

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So how can the left get back in power(because they are going to get creamed in the mid-terms). Reject the disgusting woke mind virus frauds and return the the reasonably respectable kind of people you used to be, just a bit left of center. Instead, you moved over toward the malevolent socialists bent on societal destruction and embraced complete idiocy like defund the police, BLM policies, going soft on criminals, structural racism lies while implementing structural racism policies, trying to direct kindergarten kids into homosexuality/gender change, mass illegal immigration welcoming, foolish man-made global warming policies, etc. If you want to embrace the pink haired freaks and 16 year old scolding girls for policy, get ready for more conservative judges.
Leftism to-day and for the past decade or two is a cult. Here is an example.

Me: Homeless people who can't even take care of themselves should not have children.
Lefty: Homeless people have the right to procreate as many children as they want. It's a human right.
Me: But don't all lefties support abortion?
 
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Leftism to-day and for the past decade or two is a cult. Here is an example.

Me: Homeless people who can't even take care of themselves should not have children.
Lefty: Homeless people have the right to procreate as many children as they want. It's a human right.
Me: But don't all lefties support abortion?
BS nonsense.
 

mandrill

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Leftism to-day and for the past decade or two is a cult. Here is an example.

Me: Homeless people who can't even take care of themselves should not have children.
Lefty: Homeless people have the right to procreate as many children as they want. It's a human right.
Me: But don't all lefties support abortion?
You got a little confused on the difference between permissive pro choice and forced sterilization there, bud.
🐸 🐵 😸 :rolleyes: 😺 :D 🥴 🐶
 

danmand

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You got a little confused on the difference between permissive pro choice and forced sterilization there, bud.
🐸 🐵 😸 :rolleyes: 😺 :D 🥴 🐶
One would have to conclude that he talks in tongues. Maybe religious practice?
 

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Nope. No confusion. No forced sterilization, although I know some people who underwent voluntary sterilization.

Here below are reasons why people choose abortion(s). So, what is your reason(s) for supporting abortions?
Common Abortion Reasons
In a study asking the reasons behind abortion, some people listed multiple reasons. This survey used open-ended questions, not a checklist of researcher-generated reasons.


REASONS%NOTES
Not financially prepared40%
Bad timing, not ready, or unplanned36%
Partner-related reasons New or bad relationship
Would be a single parent
Partner isn't supportive
Partner doesn't want the baby
Partner is abusive
Partner is the "wrong guy"
Need to focus on other children29%
Interferes with educational or job plans20%
Not emotionally or mentally prepared19%
Health-related reasons12%Concern for their own health
Concern for the fetus' health
Use of medications, other drugs, alcohol, or tobacco
Want a better life for a baby than they could provide12%
Not independent or mature enough7%
Influence from family or friends5%
Doesn't want a baby or to place the baby up for adoption4%

Previous surveys have had a list of answers to choose from. Common responses were:


  • Having a baby would dramatically change my life.
  • I have completed my childbearing.
  • I don't want people to know I had sex or got pregnant.

Most people cite two to four reasons for abortion, not just one.


Younger people often say they're not ready for parenthood. Older people frequently say they're already responsible for children or are past the childbearing stage.


Abortion Bans: Effect on Low-Income Families

Recap
Abortion is stigmatized and hard to talk about. Many reasons are given for having an abortion. Most people cite a few reasons. Sometimes they're too young or unprepared, don't have a supportive partner, or want to be done having children.
 

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Maybe I missed it. All I hear is "her body, her choice", but what is the reason(s) behind making that choice? Here below are reasons from a survey.

Common Abortion Reasons
In a study asking the reasons behind abortion, some people listed multiple reasons. This survey used open-ended questions, not a checklist of researcher-generated reasons.


REASONS%NOTES
Not financially prepared40%
Bad timing, not ready, or unplanned36%
Partner-related reasonsNew or bad relationship
Would be a single parent
Partner isn't supportive
Partner doesn't want the baby
Partner is abusive
Partner is the "wrong guy"
Need to focus on other children29%
Interferes with educational or job plans20%
Not emotionally or mentally prepared19%
Health-related reasons12%Concern for their own health
Concern for the fetus' health
Use of medications, other drugs, alcohol, or tobacco
Want a better life for a baby than they could provide12%
Not independent or mature enough7%
Influence from family or friends5%
Doesn't want a baby or to place the baby up for adoption4%
Previous surveys have had a list of answers to choose from. Common responses were:


  • Having a baby would dramatically change my life.
  • I have completed my childbearing.
  • I don't want people to know I had sex or got pregnant.
Most people cite two to four reasons for abortion, not just one.


Younger people often say they're not ready for parenthood. Older people frequently say they're already responsible for children or are past the childbearing stage.


Abortion Bans: Effect on Low-Income Families

Recap
Abortion is stigmatized and hard to talk about. Many reasons are given for having an abortion. Most people cite a few reasons. Sometimes they're too young or unprepared, don't have a supportive partner, or want to be done having children.
 

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No, we don't agree but your reasoning is gobsmackingly stupid.
Electing Democrats is necessary but not sufficient.
So they can't put in legislation? Continue to allow the Overton Window to push right? Lets face it. They are useless. And there is nothing they will do about this. Except fundraise.

And voters know it.

We need a third party to create a "minority" voting block to force them back to the left. Thats the only sution. They wont do it voluntarily. They proved that with primary interference against progressive candidates.
 

Butler1000

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What a load of BS. Blaming Ruth Ginsberg instead of the 3 Trump Judge who all lied through their teeth when asked about abortion law.
There is some fault in her hubris for staying in. She could have stepped down for a younger healthy successor and enjoyed a long career in a prestigous chair shaping a new generation of young minds. Instead she stayed beyond her best before date.

And it was hubris.
 
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Darts

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I bet dollars to donuts it is strictly due the cost of setting up a clinic and the security of themselves and employees and clients.
It's not up to the Federal or Provincial governments to set up these clinics.
So bust your family doctor over lack of access.
"I bet dollars to donuts it is strictly due the cost of setting up a clinic and the security "

I bet there are more than enough wealthy lefties who would happily finance the building of clinics and related security. They could even get their name on the building.
 

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Question: To get an abortion in Canada, does the woman and/or man have to give a reason why they want/need an abortion?
 

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In fact, the Dems did reasonably well in the actual vote numbers.
But those numbers was against Trump. Biden at least should have done much much better.
I mean I could beat a 5 year in a boxing match but anything but a crushing win is a loss.
 

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Question: To get an abortion in Canada, does the woman and/or man have to give a reason why they want/need an abortion?
The doctor will ask the women, but they won't refuse her request. The man's opinion is not relevant nor do they need his permission. The sole decision about the abortion falls to the pregnant women.


“In a case of unwanted or accidental pregnancy, a woman should have the right to choose an abortion, under excellent medical conditions—to protect her life, health and future fertility.” Henry Morgentaler

Do I need my parent’s or my partner’s permission?
No, you do not need parental and partner permission to book an appointment or to have an abortion.

Is there a waiting period before I can have my procedure?
No, in Canada abortion is available upon request. There are no regulatory waiting times in place to prevent or restrict access to abortion services.
 
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He is not advocating forced sterilization he is arguing for forced abortions for the homeless.
 

Darts

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The complicated life of Norma McCorvey (she was the Jane Roe).

After the famous court case, she became a born again Christian and turned pro-life only to recant on her deathbed.
 

Darts

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He is not advocating forced sterilization he is arguing for forced abortions for the homeless.
No no not "forced" abortion. The question is really a choice of what is a better life for the mother and the baby.

I know a couple of affluent families that decided on an abortion because they felt they could not financially afford a 3rd baby. So, would it make sense for a homeless person to bring a baby into the world? Yes? No?
 
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Darts

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But those numbers was against Trump. Biden at least should have done much much better.
I mean I could beat a 5 year in a boxing match but anything but a crushing win is a loss.
The Dems get huge vote numbers in hardcore liberal states like New York and California, that skews the popular vote number.
 
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