Kyrsten Sinema

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Sinema won Arizona because she is a Left of Center Democrat. Much of this talk of primarying on the left or the right (with Republicans) often leads to a primary winner that can't win the General. You have had a minority in both parties trying to dictate legislation whenever they take over the Senate or House.
She is NOT a Left of Centre Democrat. She campaigned as one but her voting and donors clearly show otherwise. She is a liar. And as corrupt as it gets.
 
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She like Manchin is a moderate. No thinking person would support a 3.5 TRILLION porkulous advanced by the ideological idiots. Is the inflation not bad enough, yet?
Really? You do realize its over a ten year period tight?

Funny how they they don't refer to the military budgets as 8 Trillion over a long period the way they do sicial programs.

It is in fact about about 350 billion per year. That palettable to you?
 
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Really? You do realize its over a ten year period tight?

Funny how they they don't refer to the military budgets as 8 Trillion over a long period the way they do sicial programs.

It is in fact about about 350 billion per year. That palettable to you?
This is a picture perfect why ideologists make poor parliamentarians. There is a bill on the table for 1.5 trillion that will pass with bipartisan support. OR they can ram through the 3.5 trillion bill on a partisan ticket, only to be gutted in the next Congress by the Republican majority. Pelosi has no.mandate for this having lost 12 seats and needing a tie breaker in the Senate. Least of all she has no mandate nor the political capital to ram the 2500 page bill through the Congress, even with the support of her president. Instead, the Democrats are tearing themselves apart and galvanizing the Republicans for the next year's vote. Stupid.
 

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She like Manchin is a moderate. No thinking person would support a 3.5 TRILLION porkulous advanced by the ideological idiots. Is the inflation not bad enough, yet?
LOL. They are not moderate. They are conservative. That is not up for debate. They may try to frame what they're doing as being moderate, but it really isn't. Also, it's not like it's $3.5T every year. It's over a decade. And it's still a fraction of what they're spending on the military, even without two wars. Plus, there is so much crumbling infrastructure in the US that it will become a greater problem as time goes forward. They really can't afford to let it get much worse. I mean, Flint, MI, is a great example where lead is in the drinking water due to shitty pipes. And the reality is, there are other cities and towns that are probably worse off.

Inflation isn't necessarily a bad thing. You need it for economic growth. And I've wondered where the inflation has been for the past decade. I mean, we've had historically low interest rates since 2008, plus a record amount of quantitative easing. As this point it just feels like spin to try and hobble this legislation that the wealthy do not want (since they'll be taxed more), or the drug companies (who will be forced to lower prices), or environmentally unfriendly energy companies (who will face carbon pricing and a push to alternative, cleaner energies).
 
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Plus, there is so much crumbling infrastructure in the US that it will become a greater problem as time goes forward.
What does "crumbling babysitting" and "crumbling state college admissions" like like, exactly?
 

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This is a picture perfect why ideologists make poor parliamentarians. There is a bill on the table for 1.5 trillion that will pass with bipartisan support. OR they can ram through the 3.5 trillion bill on a partisan ticket, only to be gutted in the next Congress by the Republican majority. Pelosi has no.mandate for this having lost 12 seats and needing a tie breaker in the Senate. Least of all she has no mandate nor the political capital to ram the 2500 page bill through the Congress, even with the support of her president. Instead, the Democrats are tearing themselves apart and galvanizing the Republicans for the next year's vote. Stupid.
So it was alright when the GOP rammed through Trump's damaging tax cuts that did nearly nothing for the middle class? The right LOVES to obstruct any democratic president's agenda. They've done it since Clinton. They are the biggest hypocrites on the planet. They don't care about spending or deficits when Bush or Trump were running the show. So, why should democrats be bi-partisan? They won the presidency, gained seats in the senate and control the house. If they were smart, they would kill the filibuster, pass this bill and the voting rights bill to protect POC from being disenfranchised.
 
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What does "crumbling babysitting" and "crumbling state college admissions" like like, exactly?
Oh, I thought right-wingers were all about the family?

Studies show that when there is affordable childcare, it gets women back into the workforces. That is very good for the economy. Putting money into the education system is also sort of a no-brainer. Think about how many people graduate with ridiculous debt because of the for-profit school system. I sometime feel that you think there should be a stricter class structure. Like, the poor only get subsistence wages where they pump out kid after kid to toil in Walmart, while the rich should never have to see them...
 

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Oh, I thought right-wingers were all about the family?

Studies show that when there is affordable childcare, it gets women back into the workforces. That is very good for the economy. Putting money into the education system is also sort of a no-brainer. Think about how many people graduate with ridiculous debt because of the for-profit school system. I sometime feel that you think there should be a stricter class structure. Like, the poor only get subsistence wages where they pump out kid after kid to toil in Walmart, while the rich should never have to see them...
How does babysitting crumble? Do the babysitters (so called Early Childhood Educators) begin to disintegrate? Or, Lord have mercy, is it the children themselves!
 

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LOL. They are not moderate. They are conservative. That is not up for debate. They may try to frame what they're doing as being moderate, but it really isn't. Also, it's not like it's $3.5T every year. It's over a decade. And it's still a fraction of what they're spending on the military, even without two wars. Plus, there is so much crumbling infrastructure in the US that it will become a greater problem as time goes forward. They really can't afford to let it get much worse. I mean, Flint, MI, is a great example where lead is in the drinking water due to shitty pipes. And the reality is, there are other cities and towns that are probably worse off.
You can argue by more or less the same reasoning over a CDN $350 billion
spending plan here in Canada for building our infrastructure which I think
is badly needed too. The reality is after expenses on other items our government simply won't have that much money left. The U.S. can at
least print their currencies which we can't but for them to cut nation's
military budget is sacrilege.

Biden and his administration is going to be hit big time
by inflation even without the $3.5T spending bill passed.
You have to be rich to think inflation is good for the economy.
I now have to budget my monthly expense on food and may
have to worry about running a deficit by next year.
 

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You can argue by more or less the same reasoning over a CDN $350 billion
spending plan here in Canada for building our infrastructure which I think
is badly needed too. The reality is after expenses on other items our government simply won't have that much money left. The U.S. can at
least print their currencies which we can't but for them to cut nation's
military budget is sacrilege.

Biden and his administration is going to be hit big time
by inflation even without the $3.5T spending bill passed.
You have to be rich to think inflation is good for the economy.
I now have to budget my monthly expense on food and may
have to worry about running a deficit by next year.
Uh, the Bank of Canada as has the FED in the US, has been purchasing government debts issues for years in a process called Quantative Easing, which is more commonly known as PRINTING MONEY.

The B of C has been buying $4billion of Canadian gov't bonds for a year and change and currently holds $250billion of newly issued gov't debt related to covid economic/societal stability.

Facts is many govt's worldwide have and continue to engage in this type of PRINTING MONEY.
 

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So it was alright when the GOP rammed through Trump's damaging tax cuts that did nearly nothing for the middle class? The right LOVES to obstruct any democratic president's agenda. They've done it since Clinton.

At least as far back as Woodrow Wilson, and probably all the way back to when they were called Anti Federalists...
 

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Her "job obligation " is to represent her district. But, it's nice to see you lean toward the mob rule. Welcome to the dark side.
Senators don't have districts. She represents the interests of her state and the U.S. in general. She's one of the few reasonable Democrats in Congress.
Following her into a bathroom to harass her is nothing more than bully behavior. That's what the radical left does.
 

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I now have to budget my monthly expense on food and may
have to worry about running a deficit by next year.
I can't help but wonder how many hobbyists have to budget their monthly food expense
 

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Never forget...taxes are for losers.

Sinema and Manchin don't mind putting up with they are being handsomely rewarded by plutocrats. Tricky Dick Cheney profited to Bourbon level through murder, nobody complained that food stamps and education were cut for him to achieve his goals.

Philanthropy is the biggest hoax in modern finance, created by Andrew Carnegie to avoid paying taxes. At least Conrad Black and Ted Cruz are honest about defending the rights of plutocrats, working stiffs don't deserve pensions.

He's so cute!

 

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Now we have the Pandora Papers, when will the boredom ends? Here's what they amount to:

 

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Goya is W's favorite artist, like Otto in A Fish Called Wanda, he doesn't understand him. He spent most of his life on a nude beach.

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Senators don't have districts. She represents the interests of her state and the U.S. in general. She's one of the few reasonable Democrats in Congress.
Following her into a bathroom to harass her is nothing more than bully behavior. That's what the radical left does.
You're right, of course. My bad. And I agree. Senators have an unique role and it's nice to see a Senator to rise above the herd and mere partisanship. When McCain was doing the same thing(also from Arizona) he was the toast of the town, even celebrated as "maverick ". Seems like the shoe's on the other foot, now.
 
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