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Rogers Centre getting demolished....finally

jcpro

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Not true at all. The idea is with 81 home games and no guarantee to you can put a winning product on the field, you need other things to draw people to a stadium. The fact it's a new stadium will have people showing up in droves for the first 4 years no matter how bad the team is, but they're turning into a whole entertainment complex so people will hang out there.
And what is going to pass for "entertainment" in that complex, beside the Jays? Unlike the hockey fans, the Torontonians are pretty good judges of the quality on the field. Smaller venue means higher ticket prices that means, without a quality team, empty stadium. It must also be noted that Roger's is a broadcaster, and not very good one, and they have proven themselves to be a poor baseball owner. The new building itself will be a novelty, to be sure, but it will wear off even quicker than the Sky Dome's- and that was a fucking big deal back in the day. Btw, the attendance figures don't lie. Torontonians pay for quality ball.
 

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And what is going to pass for "entertainment" in that complex, beside the Jays? Unlike the hockey fans, the Torontonians are pretty good judges of the quality on the field. Smaller venue means higher ticket prices that means, without a quality team, empty stadium. It must also be noted that Roger's is a broadcaster, and not very good one, and they have proven themselves to be a poor baseball owner. The new building itself will be a novelty, to be sure, but it will wear off even quicker than the Sky Dome's- and that was a fucking big deal back in the day. Btw, the attendance figures don't lie. Torontonians pay for quality ball.
Mr Doom and Gloom...thanks for the cheery forecast...I'm not sure if you're in the creditable position to make those claims.
 

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Mr Doom and Gloom...thanks for the cheery forecast...I'm not sure if you're in the creditable position to make those claims.
And what credibility do I need? That I was buying tickets from scalpers in the early 90s? Or travelled to Detroit to see Alomar and the boys? Or the fact that I could get a walk up ticket in the second inning at the field level after the organisation decided to go in a "new direction"?
 

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And what credibility do I need? That I was buying tickets from scalpers in the early 90s? Or travelled to Detroit to see Alomar and the boys? Or the fact that I could get a walk up ticket in the second inning at the field level after the organisation decided to go in a "new direction"?
So you're a ticket buyer/fan...doesn't make you an expert on sports management and administration.
 

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So you're a ticket buyer/fan...doesn't make you an expert on sports management and administration.
Judging by the last 15 years, neither is Rogers.
 

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And what is going to pass for "entertainment" in that complex, beside the Jays? Unlike the hockey fans, the Torontonians are pretty good judges of the quality on the field. Smaller venue means higher ticket prices that means, without a quality team, empty stadium. It must also be noted that Roger's is a broadcaster, and not very good one, and they have proven themselves to be a poor baseball owner. The new building itself will be a novelty, to be sure, but it will wear off even quicker than the Sky Dome's- and that was a fucking big deal back in the day. Btw, the attendance figures don't lie. Torontonians pay for quality ball.
Only time will tell, but the idea is by putting other forms of entertainment near the stadium, it will draw people even if the product on the field isn't great.
 

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I think there is a lot to it...it's not easy.
I agree. Excellence and serious competition are novel experiences to Rogers. Maybe they can fill the smaller venue with tourists because they will not fill them with the real baseball fans. In in my life time, anyway.
 

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Only time will tell, but the idea is by putting other forms of entertainment near the stadium, it will draw people even if the product on the field isn't great.
Sure. They can put that new entertainment in the lobbies of the condo towers they're going to build. Or they can move the ball park to the EX and make it the year round carnival. Sure the city will be overrun by carnies, but so what?
 

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Sure. They can put that new entertainment in the lobbies of the condo towers they're going to build. Or they can move the ball park to the EX and make it the year round carnival. Sure the city will be overrun by carnies, but so what?
I don't understand your question. Are you arguing now what type of people need to fill the stadium??? Do they need your approval? lol
 

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I don't understand your question. Are you arguing now what type of people need to fill the stadium??? Do they need your approval? lol
Toronto doesn't need a new ball park. It needs a real baseball team and a competent owner. The move from the MLG to whatever they call it these days certainly didn't help the Leafs, did it? The Sky Dome was perfectly adequate for Gaston and his players, but is not good enough for these pretenders? Ah, the place is always empty. Solution? Smaller park. ROFLMFAO!
 
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I haven’t watched Baseball since the strike many years ago. The “product” is just to slow for me. Even the commentary is just full of useless stats to try and make up for the lack of action vs the time the game takes. I find there is more action watching golf of all things :) ha ha ha

Would the Jays have to play three years plus of “road games”? I would think they would have a new site - probably back at the CNE area?
Skydome was to cost 185 mil - ended up 540 mil and Rogers’s picked it up for what 25 mil?
 

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Toronto doesn't need a new ball park. It needs a real baseball team and a competent owner. The move from the MLG to whatever they call it these days certainly didn't help the Leafs, did it? The Sky Dome was perfectly adequate for Gaston and his players, but is not good enough for these pretenders? Ah, the place is always empty. Solution? Smaller park. ROFLMFAO!

Dude...they need a new stadium. I'm not sure what parallel your trying to make. You seem to be equating the fact that they're getting a new stadium so they can win games or fill seats. The Rogers Centre needs a new roof which cost 200 million alone. It's one of the oldest and outdated stadiums in league. Some players don't want to play hear because of it.
 

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It was - until Camden Yards opened in 1992.
Hit the nail on head right here. The moment I saw Camden Yards, I hated the Skydome. It was horrible timing. It was built right before the realization that fans loved the old classic ball parks with a bit of modern twist to them.
Ding, ding, ding ..... GAGNANT/WINNERS!

Camden Yards birth was the death knell of these plastic, antiseptic multipurpose arena stadiums of which the Skydome was the last to be built that were unsuited for football and especially unsuited for baseball. Think of all those 'toilet bowl stadiums that were built in 60's, 70's, 80's: Shea, Fulton County, Three Rivers, Riverfront, Anaheim, Oakland Coliseum, Astrodome, Veterans Stadium, Busch, Jack Murphy, the one in SF and the temporary bubble top stadiums in Detroit, Minneapolis, Seattle, Indianapolis.

I remember that Saturday in 1992 in when I saw a 2 - 3 page photo spread and article on Camden Yards in the Toronto Star. I went over to my brother-in-law's house, plopped that paper on his kitchen table and said, "the Skydome is dead".

It was that architectural firm out in Kansas I believe, not far from the 'Field of Dreams' corn fields of Iowa that came up with that blend of nostalgia, that longing for "a past no longer with us" and modernity that created Camden Yards and other similar type baseball stadiums.
 
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Toronto doesn't need a new ball park. It needs a real baseball team
How does moving to a new ballpark interfere with that objective?
 

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If we could build a stadium like PNC Stadium in Pittsburgh, I'd be overjoyed.

The best part of Pittsburgh is they built their own craft brewery between PNC and Heinz Field. To the person who said the vista should be looking out into Lake Ontario, that could work if Rogers wanted to build a pitcher's stadium.

 

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The approximate cost of construction was C$ 570 million ($1.02 billion in 2018 dollars) which was paid for by the federal government, Ontario provincial government, the City of Toronto, and a large consortium of corporations.

We paid for this turkey. Something that expensive should last hundreds of years !

Acoustics are pathetic and it is expensive to run. It was a horrible idea most games the roof is closed
 
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How does moving to a new ballpark interfere with that objective?
Think! Who will finance the new stadium? Not the taxpayers in the post Covid debt nightmare. So, Rogers? Does anyone truly believe that the construction will not come at the expense of the baseball operations? That's all Rogers and their sports "journalists"(Rogers employees) will be talking about for the years it will take to complete the project while the Jays will continue to be treated like a small market team. They're probably hoping that the baseball fans will not notice...forgetting that Jays fans are not dumb like the Leaf fans.
 
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