Some masks better than others

[basketcase]

Actually whats dumb is saying Bar/Restaurants are to blame for most for Covid transmissions, which you have repeatedly done

Did anyone actually say bars and restaurants were to blame for most transmission? Of course not; you just made another stupid statement. Even you post on the 1% of cases where the source is knows shows LTC homes and schools are higher transmission sources in known cases.

Just keep on blathering senselessly like you did claiming Sweden had herd immunity.

 

[basketcase]

Yes it does show an upward trend plus a 2nd wave.
Starts on August 31st actually. So 2 weeks before schools opened

Love the cherry picked trendline.
Also, why is it you chose not to go with the covid-meter graph like you normally post? Could it be because that graph doesn't show a significant increase until Sept. 15? The actual noticeable spike on the google graph starts around Sept 8. Someone not trying to falsely portray a trend would acknowledge that the Aug 31 jump is just part of the weekly reporting trend.

 

[basketcase]

Regardless of your opinion there, the fact remains your claim that a rise in infections proves masks don't work is a baseless argument that has no merit:
...

Sadly Trump..Oh sorry, Phil..doesn't care about reality. He decided on an agenda to push and either he is too stubborn to back down, isn't capable of understanding that the only way to prove his claim would be studying alternate realities where masks weren't worn, or he's just a troll. I'm betting on the second.

In the real world, we clearly see a relationship between areas where mask wearing is common and areas where it isn't. Mask-wearing areas are increasing but non-mask wearing areas are soaring.

 

[basketcase]

Why most masks won't work
xref the new thread

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/canada-doctors-flipflop-on-masks-again.729084/

Some people are just too stupid to understand science. Single layer cotton masks are inferior to multi-layer polypro masks. Is that too hard to understand?

If you want the science behind it, woven masks have a weave pattern which means it's possible for the gaps in one layer's weave can line up with gaps in the next layer. They are better than nothing though. Polypro surgical masks have layers in what I've seen descriptively described as a rats nest. It means it is far less likely that the gaps between fibres will line up with other gaps.

Numbers I've seen say a single layer typical bandanna provides about a 15% reduction. A tight woven, single layer cotton mask around 40% reduction, a double layer cotton mask around 60% reduction and a polypro surgical mas around 80% reduction.

 

[basketcase]

It doesnt matter what exact timeframe it was, the fact remains masks clearly didnt reduce the daily new infection rate the day they were made mandatory. ...

Sorry but another fail by you. Mask mandates in Ontario for example generally happened in at the start of July. Do you care to describe what the daily case trend was through July?

 

[lenny2]

It doesnt matter what exact timeframe it was, the fact remains masks clearly didnt reduce the daily new infection rate the day they were made mandatory.

Masks keep the daily infections from being more than they are. Masks work & save lives. Science & common sense say so.

BTW I'll be waiting for you to respond to all the points & questions in my post that addressed your alleged "proof" that masks don't work:

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/why-most-masks-dont-work.726027/page-20#post-6857110

Today we had another 900+ cases, new cases keep going up but not down

See the url above. It totally destroyed your nonsense.

That's what happens when people behave more dangerously or irresponsibly, such as covidiots often do.

 

[doggystyle99]

You still havent answered my question.

You said something along the lines of Swedes tend to listen to their government better.
Do you have any stats or other evidence to back this up??

You keep proving my point that you lack comprehension skills, since you can't read and understand posts, yet you repeat the same question. It's quite comical.

 

[doggystyle99]

It doesnt matter what exact timeframe it was, the fact remains masks clearly didnt reduce the daily new infection rate the day they were made mandatory. Today we had another 900+ cases, new cases keep going up but not down

Timeframe absolutely does matter because:
1. It shows your inability to read a chart properly as you have now proven multiple times with other non factual theories as well, and

2. It shows that your non factual theory of trying to make a direct corelation between the increase in number of cases as a result of mask wearing is just nonsense or as Spaniards say Kaka

There are other factors in play in regards to the increase in number of cases that you either do not understand or are ignoring purposely.
The re opening of Ontario and easing of restrictions started happening in May well before and months earlier than the current (Late October-Early November) spike in cases which started going up in September, and the use of masks was widely seen just then as they are now, phase 3 was started sometime in July with it being province wide.
So what corelation does "Stable Genius" Phil see between reopenings, use of masks all along and 3 months later spike in cases?

Notice there is a stark difference between your non factual theories VS The reality and the facts
Almost exact same week mask laws came into effect or 4-6 weeks later VS The reality 3 months later

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Love the cherry picked trendline.
Also, why is it you chose not to go with the covid-meter graph like you normally post? Could it be because that graph doesn't show a significant increase until Sept. 15? The actual noticeable spike on the google graph starts around Sept 8. Someone not trying to falsely portray a trend would acknowledge that the Aug 31 jump is just part of the weekly reporting trend.

You're forgetting about the 12-day incubation period this virus has

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Timeframe absolutely does matter because:
1. It shows your inability to read a chart properly as you have now proven multiple times with other non factual theories as well, and

2. It shows that your non factual theory of trying to make a direct corelation between the increase in number of cases as a result of mask wearing is just nonsense or as Spaniards say Kaka

There are other factors in play in regards to the increase in number of cases that you either do not understand or are ignoring purposely.
The re opening of Ontario and easing of restrictions started happening in May well before and months earlier than the current (Late October-Early November) spike in cases which started going up in September, and the use of masks was widely seen just then as they are now, phase 3 was started sometime in July with it being province wide.
So what corelation does "Stable Genius" Phil see between reopenings, use of masks all along and 3 months later spike in cases?

Notice there is a stark difference between your non factual theories VS The reality and the facts
Almost exact same week mask laws came into effect or 4-6 weeks later VS The reality 3 months later

FACT: masks havent done a damn thing in Ontario. They've actually might have made things worse

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You keep proving my point that you lack comprehension skills, since you can't read and understand posts, yet you repeat the same question. It's quite comical.

You still havent answered my question.

You said something along the lines of Swedes tend to listen to their government better.
Do you have any stats or other evidence to back this up??

 

[lenny2]

FACT: masks havent done a damn thing in Ontario. They've actually might have made things worse

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/why-most-masks-dont-work.726027/page-20#post-6857110

LOL.

 

[lenny2]

You said something along the lines of Swedes tend to listen to their government better.
Do you have any stats or other evidence to back this up??

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/sweden-says-its-coronavirus-approach-has-worked-the-numbers-show-a-different-story.710402/page-9#post-6858965

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/why-most-masks-dont-work.726027/page-20#post-6857110

LOL.

FACT: masks havent done a damn thing in Ontario. They've actually might have made things worse

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Over 1,100 new cases today. But yeah, masks are working great

Ontario reports new record high of 1,132 COVID-19 cases as new system takes effect

Ontario is reporting a new daily record of COVID-19 cases with 1,132 infections reported today.

torontosun.com

 

[shack]

FACT: masks havent done a damn thing in Ontario. They've actually might have made things worse

I'll buy you a drink if you stop.

 

[TeeJay]

Timeframe absolutely does matter because:
1. It shows your inability to read a chart properly as you have now proven multiple times with other non factual theories as well, and

2. It shows that your non factual theory of trying to make a direct corelation between the increase in number of cases as a result of mask wearing is just nonsense or as Spaniards say Kaka

There are other factors in play in regards to the increase in number of cases that you either do not understand or are ignoring purposely.
The re opening of Ontario and easing of restrictions started happening in May well before and months earlier than the current (Late October-Early November) spike in cases which started going up in September, and the use of masks was widely seen just then as they are now, phase 3 was started sometime in July with it being province wide.
So what corelation does "Stable Genius" Phil see between reopenings, use of masks all along and 3 months later spike in cases?

Notice there is a stark difference between your non factual theories VS The reality and the facts
Almost exact same week mask laws came into effect or 4-6 weeks later VS The reality 3 months later

Your "factors" really are a red herring to distract from what is actually happening
There is no "random" community transmission
Majority of cases are being spread between friends and family
Which means lockdown or no lockdown is irrelevant on curtailing spread (as are masks since vast majority do not wear around people they know)

Whether said social circle happens at grandmas home or whether they all eat out at a restaurant the results are same
Only diff is how it is being reported

Masks are a pointless distraction and even Tam herself has now revised criteria for a "safe" mask to a 3 layer with filter

Fact is majority of people have had Covid
You can see from how few people are dying (compared to initial outbreak) as those who would have died anyways have already died off and most healthy people recover from Covid quickly

 

[TeeJay]

Masks keep the daily infections from being more than they are. Masks work & save lives. Science & common sense say so.

Science says masks don't work
Even Tam has finally come around

Fuck I been posting for MONTHs on this very board that wearing a cheap cloth map is utterly pointless
Still waiting for my Nobel Prize though


Common sense is probably the stupidest thing you have said yet in these threads
There is no such thing as common sense when it comes to things like Covid
Even majority of scientists and medical doctors have been wrong more times than right (see comments from Tam back in March; Covid does not come from China, Covid passes animal to human and not human to human, Covid is not a crisis and we should not close our borders etc etc etc)

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I'll buy you a drink if you stop

FACT: masks havent done a damn thing in Ontario. They've actually might have made things worse

 

[shack]

FACT: masks havent done a damn thing in Ontario. They've actually might have made things worse

I'm going to have your drink right now.