The Pandemic That Wasn't

[Fradi]

Yes, you might have a life saving surgery that added 4 years to your life today, 4 years earlier someone else had live saving surgery that added 4 years to their life but they died today, the death still occurred, it is always going to occur.

So why are you worried about the economy then, you are going to die anyway. Why not jump off a cliff today and get it over with.
How long do you think you have left 10–20-30 years, do you think that is more valuable than someone having life saving surgery and extending his life by 4 years.

Or is only someone else’s life so invaluable to you.

 

[fall]

Well it did change for this year didn’t it 226,000 additional world wide so far and we are only in April.
This in addition to all the other deaths that happen every year.

Given 7.8 billion world population, it represents 0.0029% of world population. Assuming average life expectancy from birth of 70 years, it is just 0.2% of average annual # of death. Even if you want to go quarterly data (Feb-Apr), it will be only 0.8% of average quarterly # of death. I do not know the standard deviation of annual number of deaths, but I am pretty sure 0.8% will not be statistically significant even at 10% significance level. Saying it differently, there is no evidence that COVID affects the average number of deaths. Saying it medically: statistically insignificant fraction of people who died while having COVID would have survived (and not died for any other reason) if they did not have COVID.

 

[fall]

W

We are near 250 000 people dead from the Coronavirus so far in less than 4 months. Let that just sink in for a minute.

Yes, let's do it and understand how small this number is, especially since it is not the number of people who died from COVID, but people who died while having COVID and that people who died while having COVID had a much higher chance of dying (relative to the average deaths rate) in the absence of COVID.

It is like saying that people should avoid hospitals since there is much higher chance to die in the hospital than in the restaurant

 

[Fradi]

I think the point is to enjoy the most of while before you die life is risky no matter what....would hate if my last years of life is stuck at home and financially insolvent when it could have been spent in a lot more gripping ways...

I agree with you.
However, if you are financially insolvent after 3 months of a lockdown or being out of work it doesn’t say much for what you did throughout your life as far as ambition planning and having enough sense to save for harder times.

As far as being at home, we can all thank China for that and the inadequate planning of most politicians throughout the world and the constant cutbacks in health care.
It is still better being at home than taking the chance of infecting family friends and others.
Life is precious to everyone no matter their age and it is not up to anyone individual to decide that if they are elderly or have existing conditions then they should be sacrificed for the good of the young and healthy.

 

[Fradi]

^^^^
It wasn’t meant to judge anyone, we all have our own stories and most of us have faced hardships throughout our life where we were in a bad situation me included.

 

[shack]

Given 7.8 billion world population, it represents 0.0029% of world population.

statistically significant

I love stats.

And your 1 opinion is only .0000000128% of the world population. Talk about statistically insignificant.

 

[kherg007]

I love stats. be statistically significant

And your 1 opinion is only .0000000128% of the world population. Talk about statistically insignificant.

Ya know, between Wayne Gretzky and I, we averaged 447 lifetime NHL goals.

Sure, Gretzky had 894 and I had 0 (avg= 447). But still....

 

[shack]

Ya know, between Wayne Gretzky and I, we averaged 447 lifetime NHL goals.

Sure, Gretzky had 894 and I had 0 (avg= 447). But still....

The numbers don't lie.

 

[Perry Mason]

The numbers don't lie.

Maybe not... but they mislead!

Perry

 

[shack]

Maybe not... but they mislead!

Perry

That's why I was taking fall's lead in his attempt to minimize the 250,000 deaths and counting.

 

[Smallcock]

That's why I was taking fall's lead in his attempt to minimize the 250,000 deaths and counting.

It's not misleading to say that the number of worldwide death due to covid-19 is statistically insignificant.

 

[canada-man]

NEW YORK — Gleaming new tent hospitals sit empty on two suburban New York college campuses, never having treated a single coronavirus patient. Convention centres that were turned into temporary hospitals in other cities went mostly unused. And a Navy hospital ship that offered help in Manhattan is soon to depart.

When virus infections slowed down or fell short of worst-case predictions, the globe was left dotted with dozens of barely used or unused field hospitals. Some public officials say that’s a good problem to have — despite spending potentially billions of dollars to erect the care centres — because it’s a sign the deadly disease was not nearly as cataclysmic as it might have been.

https://www.570news.com/2020/04/29/many-field-hospitals-went-largely-unused-will-be-shut-down/

 

[J.A. Prufrock]

Ya know, between Wayne Gretzky and I, we averaged 447 lifetime NHL goals.

Sure, Gretzky had 894 and I had 0 (avg= 447). But still....

Between me and Wilt Chamberlain, we averaged 10,000 women.

 

[J.A. Prufrock]

Did you daddy give you these stats?

I don't think so. His dad won't even tell him how big his dick is.

 

[shack]

It's not misleading to say that the number of worldwide death due to covid-19 is statistically insignificant.

Which is still more statistically significant than your opinion.

So we could wipe out the population of Oshawa and it would be insignificant? And this is not close to being finished.

 

[kherg007]

Which is still more statistically significant than your opinion.

So we could wipe out the population of Oshawa and it would be insignificant? And this is not close to being finished.

True.
I think if we just step back and look at the agreed upon facts, its clear this must be taken seriously. Here's why.
If the USA had 60,000 flu deaths in a 12 month calendar year, that would be considered a severe flu year. And a typical flu year has minimal mitigation efforts.
The fact from covid is the USA had 60,000 flu deaths in 2 months. And that is with extreme mitigation efforts (masks, sanitizers, social distancing, lockdowns). And NY Times reporting evidence suggesting an undercount of death rates due to covid. And young people dying of strokes. And people who study epidemics and biologists in panic.
But you can ignore that and just take the agreed upon death info. That should be enough to be concerned.

 

[mandrill]

Just don't get it. Of all the irrational things that righties believe, why is there this mass rush to denounce COVId-19 as a hoax or hysteria. Every friggin' internet rightie pundit and Fox News is ranting about how the pandemic is overblown.

Are any of those ranters real doctors?.... No.

Are any of those ranters persons actually involve in front line care?.... No.

They're the usual overpaid hacks drumming up something controversial. "anti authority" and sensational to say to sell soap flakes and garner clicks. And every rightie in the world tunes in and believes them.

No actual doctor has come right out and said "Hey, let's get back to work!" No nurse has said that either.

Do actual persons in authority do what these rightie hacks say?..... No. Why is that? If what Doctor Phil or Ben Shapiro or Tucker Carlson was saying was all that logical or smart, then surely every world leader would be saying "Hmm, Tucker is brilliant. He sure has a point there." But no one takes those assweasels seriously except the dupes who buy into them. Like you rightie guys.

People ask you to put your lives on hold for a month or two for the greater good and you whine and bluster about how unfair it is. Honest to fuck, if this were 1941 and the Japanese had just bombed Pearl Harbour, you guys would be refusing to go fight for your country and claiming "Pearl Harbour is a hoax funded by George Soros!" "Hillary is more dangerous than Hitler!" and crap like that. Pathetic!

 

[squeezer]

Do actual persons in authority do what these rightie hacks say?..... No. Why is that? If what Doctor Phil or Ben Shapiro or Tucker Carlson was saying was all that logical or smart, then surely every world leader would be saying "Hmm, Tucker is brilliant. He sure has a point there." But no one takes those assweasels seriously except the dupes who buy into them. Like you rightie guys.

Tucker, the super-rich heir to be to the Swanson fortune. A joke of a pundit along with Hannity who probably is banging Melania while Trump is watching! Although Malania is fantasizing about Justin with every Hannity thrust. LMAO

 

[Malibuk]

People ask you to put your lives on hold for a month or two for the greater good and you whine and bluster about how unfair it is.

The shutdown was the prudent call as it is better to err on the side of caution.
I am not one to downplay the virus or the lives lost but this is already a depression for a lot of people.

A lot of companies and people couldn`t even pay their rent last month.
What are they going to do tomorrow, May 1?
What are they going to do June 1, and so on.
Eviction halting orders are not permanent and this will be a hole that many will never be able to pay off.

Lifting the lockdown will be a long process.
A lot of jobs are not coming back any time soon, and many are gone forever.
What is going to happen when these 3 or 4 month government life-lines expiry soon.

We are just seeing the tip of the iceberg of this disaster.
The devastation will be felt for a very long time, not "a month or two".

 

[squeezer]

The shutdown was the prudent call as it is better to err on the side of caution.
I am not one to downplay the virus or the lives lost but this is already a depression for a lot of people.

A lot of companies and people couldn`t even pay their rent last month.
What are they going to do tomorrow, May 1?
What are they going to do June 1, and so on.
Eviction halting orders are not permanent and this will be a hole that many will never be able to pay off.

Lifting the lockdown will be a long process.
A lot of jobs are not coming back any time soon, and many are gone forever.
What is going to happen when these 3 or 4 month government life-lines expiry soon.

We are just seeing the tip of the iceberg of this disaster.
The devastation will be felt for a very long time, not "a month or two".

This is true! It comes down to saving lives or taking a toll on the economy.

I'm wondering what the Insurance companies are doing to help Ontario drivers with the over-inflated auto premiums.

Less traffic, fewer accidents yet I haven't heard of any refunds being given.