The Pandemic That Wasn't

[TeeJay]

90% of Covid victims in Quebec are Nursing Homes
79% of Covid victims cross Canada are Nursing Homes

What happened to all the nonsense about community transmission and young people die too

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...-to-79-per-cent-of-covid-19-deaths-in-canada/

 

[TeeJay]

The other thing to note from model

Check out difference between lower and upper model limits

Essentially we have shut down the entire country to statistically save 600ish people
That is absurd
3883 vs 3277

 

[shack]

Hoax posts.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

"What happened to all the nonsense about community transmission and young people die too". Just hazarding a guess but perhaps the national lockdown had something to do with it?

 

[jcpro]

"What happened to all the nonsense about community transmission and young people die too". Just hazarding a guess but perhaps the national lockdown had something to do with it?

Of course the actual available data clearly shows that the Chinese virus is not a threat to the young people, lockdown or not.

 

[Smallcock]

"What happened to all the nonsense about community transmission and young people die too". Just hazarding a guess but perhaps the national lockdown had something to do with it?

No, especially since millions of people have been infected already but recovered without even knowing they got the virus. The lock downs have been utter failures and unnecessary from the get go.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

Of course the actual available data clearly shows that the Chinese virus is not a threat to the young people, lockdown or not.

It is a threat but less of a threat to children than to adults and the elderly, who children will be transmitting the virus to.

 

[Smallcock]

Irrational fear has crippled the world economy.

 

[doggystyle99]

The other thing to note from model

Check out difference between lower and upper model limits

Essentially we have shut down the entire country to statistically save 600ish people
That is absurd
3883 vs 3277

That number you quote is a range of what the numbers of deaths will be by May 5th. Here is the full quote:
"By May 5, the models show that the total number of coronavirus-related deaths in Canada could rise to between 3,277 and 3,883, with a 95-per-cent probability."

Assuming that it's saving 600 people and using that number as proof to your assertion explains what the level of irrationality and ignorance we are dealing with. Again the number is a range for the number of deaths by May 5th and not the numbers of lives of people we will save for shutting down the economy as per your ridiculous and made up assertion.

 

[Ssuper]

90% of Covid victims in Quebec are Nursing Homes
79% of Covid victims cross Canada are Nursing Homes

What happened to all the nonsense about community transmission and young people die too

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...-to-79-per-cent-of-covid-19-deaths-in-canada/

The numbers coming out of Wuhan, Italy and Spain where alarming and justified the lockdown. It’s a new virus and we are learning as we go. Let be thankful that it turned out not to be as deadly as it was first expected.

The USA, France, England, Spain and Italy all got hammered with over 20,000 deaths in each country. New York the state closest to the GTA got hammered with over 17000 dead.

There are a lot of theories like air pollution and superspreader events like soccer games, were factors that made it worse in those places. It will take years of research to figure out why it played out the way it did.

The fact we canceled air travel and sporting events And closed the boarder probably saved a lot of lives here.

Lockdown was Justified IMO.

 

[superstar_88]

No, especially since millions of people have been infected already but recovered without even knowing they got the virus. The lock downs have been utter failures and unnecessary from the get go.

Did you daddy give you these stats?

 

[bebe]

"By May 5, the models show that the total number of coronavirus-related deaths in Canada could rise to between 3,277 and 3,883, with a 95-per-cent probability."

That is such a tiny number of people. Keep in mind 80% of those live in LTCH's and they were on the last breath anyways.

Since this pandemic started 2 months ago, in Canada 42,000 others have died due to other causes (60 days times average of 700 deaths daily -- Stats Canada, think the number is closer to 800 actually).

 

[doggystyle99]

That is such a tiny number of people. Keep in mind 80% of those live in LTCH's and they were on the last breath anyways.

Since this pandemic started 2 months ago, in Canada 42,000 others have died due to other causes (60 days times average of 700 deaths daily -- Stats Canada, think the number is closer to 800 actually).

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China.
Many people die from car accidents but countries put systems in place to make driving more safer every year
Many people die from obesity and bad eating habits yet countries put systems in place to make eating habits better every year as to avoid unnecessary deaths attributed to this
Many people die from different health conditions every day yet countries research and make the healthcare system more sufficient every year.

First it was "we will have more people die from the flu this year than the Coronavirus" now that ship has sailed people are bringing other irrelevant arguments as an excuse to downplay the effects of the Coronavirus.

We are near 250 000 people dead from the Coronavirus so far in less than 4 months. Let that just sink in for a minute.

 

[bebe]

https://www.worldometers.info

Check out the link above, see how many people die each second world wide. 250,000 in 4 months is nothing.

 

[doggystyle99]

https://www.worldometers.info

Check out the link above, see how many people die each second world wide. 250,000 in 4 months is nothing.

It really doesn't matter if 100Mln people die every year because the majority if not all the causes of death are being curbed every year. The Coronavirus is no different and the fact that it can kill 1Mln+ every year and it's highly contagious is extremely to be concerned about.

 

[bebe]

...because the majority if not all the causes of death are being curbed every year. .

That makes no sense at all. There is one thing we all have in common, we ALL die at some point in time.

Yes, you might have a life saving surgery that added 4 years to your life today, 4 years earlier someone else had live saving surgery that added 4 years to their life but they died today, the death still occurred, it is always going to occur.

The rate at which people die world wide hardly ever changes, it cannot be curbed.

 

[Fradi]

The rate at which people die world wide hardly ever changes, it cannot be curbed.

Well it did change for this year didn’t it 226,000 additional world wide so far and we are only in April.
This in addition to all the other deaths that happen every year.

 

[VERYBADBOY]

Well it did change for this year didn’t it 226,000 additional world wide so far and we are only in April.
This in addition to all the other deaths that happen every year.

The death rate is 100% we all die sooner or later. More people are going to die a lot more.

But let's just say Covid had your name on it but you didn't contract it now would you change your opinion, if you were older and had a few years left?

The economy may have suffered but we all just went through an exercise, if the mortality rate was 2x or 3x we all would have been fucked. No doubt it is still severe and we aren't through this we are just starting. It's a lesson to learn from or else we fail as humanity.

Btw, deaths by human to human contact severely declined ex. Car crashes, shootings, crime etc. so your going to factor that in as well.

NYT article deaths compared
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

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[redshank]

It's hard to have perspective when we are trying to thrive and survive during the pandemic. I think when people look back at this historically it will be seen as an overreaction. Maybe during some regular health check blood tests they should test for Covid antibodies as well. It will give us a better sense of how many were actually infected. The mortality rate of people infected is going to be much lower than what the numbers are showing right now

 

[kherg007]

It's hard to have perspective when we are trying to thrive and survive during the pandemic. I think when people look back at this historically it will be seen as an overreaction. Maybe during some regular health check blood tests they should test for Covid antibodies as well. It will give us a better sense of how many were actually infected. The mortality rate of people infected is going to be much lower than what the numbers are showing right now

It might, and your right it's hard to know for sure unless we test everybody or do a valid statistical sampling to get a better estimate of who has or had it.

But considering in the USA a year that had 60k deaths from flu would be considered a severe flu year (with no major mitigation measures taken). The USA in the past 2 months has already seen 60k deaths from COVID-19, with extreme mitigation measures taken (masks, sanitizer, social distancing, lock downs, etc). Thus on the surface it seems clear it is more deadly than the typical flu.

We'll likely only know for sure in hindsight. But the undisputed facts above suggest we treat this very seriously.