CupidsEscorts Tweets a Client's Information

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frankcastle

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What we do know for a fact without any assumptions is Jillian tweeted her long time clients name, number and address because...well the reason for the outing doesn’t matter as a lot of people in this thread are giving a thumbs down for the outing.
Has anyone shared details in the other alledged outings? I am not aware of them and they are assumed to be true. I am not saying that those didnt happen i would just like to know more.

There is also the assumption that a client who conducts themselves in a normal manner could be outed.
 

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Good god this isn't about risk, it is about right and wrong.

I'm not against throwing acid in girl's faces because I'm worried it will happen to my niece. I'm against it because it's wrong.

Outing a client is wrong. Stealthing is wrong.

I will not go to Cupids again because they demonstrated, without doubt, that they keep the personal information of clients and that they will make that information publicly available if the owner sees fit.

The end.


KK
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Good god this isn't about risk, it is about right and wrong.

I'm not against throwing acid in girl's faces because I'm worried it will happen to my niece. I'm against it because it's wrong.

Outing a client is wrong. Stealthing is wrong.

I will not go to Cupids again because they demonstrated, without doubt, that they keep the personal information of clients and that they will make that information publicly available if the owner sees fit.

The end.


KK
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Paradise by the dashboard light.
Confidentiality is one of the key aspects of this sport – you compromise it, then all have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

 

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Has anyone shared details in the other alledged outings? I am not aware of them and they are assumed to be true. I am not saying that those didnt happen i would just like to know more.

There is also the assumption that a client who conducts themselves in a normal manner could be outed.
This is very sad but he seems to be a long time client at this particular agency so would like to know his side of the story before jumping to conclusions. Either way he should not be outed. So whats next Cupids? are you gonna record every client too?
 

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As someone that in the past sat in on meetings between the Special Victims Unit of the TPS and various agencies, the police would definitely get involved if information was brought to them. Suggesting otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding of the reality surrounding this issue.

The “client” has been fully identified, name, address phone number. He is “known to law enforcement” and has been accused of sexual assault in the past. He has apparently given a very well known and popular SP a STI years ago when she was young and naive. A restraining order is in effect against him

There are a number of women that think that he has gotten off very lightly by simply being outed and they hope he will face more serious consequences.

Was Cupid’s justified in plublically outing a client? IMHO no. Both Cupid’s and the SP in question did not wish to launch a complaint with TPS for a their own reasons. Letting other agencies and indies know via PM or a phone call would have been a much better solution. Jillian has outed both clients and girls in the past, if rumours are to be believed. This shows a continued lack of discretion in an industry that can only exist on discretion.

The reality for ALL CLIENTS under the current legislation is “don’t do the crime, if you can’t do the time”. The Nordic model has made this a very dangerous hobby for all involved. A new legislative approach is required, one that protects sex worked that have willingly entered the industry, and is much harsher on those that engage in human trafficking and slavery.
Ok, so if you know this much about him, and his MO is so "well known", then why the fuck is Cupids repeatedly dealing with this guy.

Blackball him.
 

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I really disagree. I think theres a MUCH higher chance of an indy screwing you over. All it takes is you making one person angry if theyre an indy, and if theyre unstable, youre screwed. Cupids was wrong here but in general at least the agencies know how to conduct themselves and generally do appropriately. If its an indy youre dealing with literally one person.
We can AGREE to DISAGREE. The main fact is that discretion is the linchpin of the activity that all parties, i.e., clients and SPs, partake in. At the end of the day, if confidentiality is violated, then from neither party is safe.
 

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This is very sad but he seems to be a long time client at this particular agency so would like to know his side of the story before jumping to conclusions. Either way he should not be outed. So whats next Cupids? are you gonna record every client too?
Who says they aren't?
 

The "Bone" Ranger

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Sounds like it is better to be independent and control one's own destiny!?

I don't even know ehat percent of the donation goes to the SP.

I will just say hearing from ladies working at a variety of agencies (not just Cupids) in general guys who are shitty to one girl aren't always reported, and when they are sometimes the booker ignores it, sometimes the booker just makes a note he can't see that girl again and he's free to see everyone else until he gets blacklisted again. There is A LOT of pressure to not be a "problem" or "sensitive" girl and have wide open menus, not be picky and always give super reviewers a good time no matter what they do in session. The agency owners hold a lot of power and some of these ladies are young, naive and not very business savvy to go out on their own so out of fear they tow the line and often put up with bad behaviour so they still get shifts. Some of my colleagues have been forced to see blacklisted guys known for demanding BBFS because they were big spenders to the Agency and felt they deserved it. As long as they were paying and apparently not roughing up the girl it was ok for the guy to be repeatedly booked by different girls. I am not saying this is the case with the Cupids client though - just about experiences many have had working at other agencies when they were new.

I'm just sharing that numerous ex agency ladies have told me that they were forced to see blacklisted guys because the agency wanted to make money and didn't think they guy was that bad just for pushing boundaries or expecting bbfs if he was paying often. Don't think your favourite agency you frequent is in the clear and "never" does this kind of thing. It's pretty pervasive that money talks here.

Also not many providers are going to want to out themselves to their assaulter just to get the police to deal with it. A colleague of mine was attacked and has to testify against the guy and it's a very scary and stressful situation. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, and it's pretty dismissive to just say "go to the police" instead of trying to warn other SPs. I do think abuse, robbery and rape trump privacy if someone is very dangerous and a repeat offender. I know a lot of guys in this thread don't really know the story very well and are assuming it was an accident or he's innocent. I don't know him but he has been reported to have pushed for BBFS many times.
 

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I don't even know ehat percent of the donation goes to the SP.
I've chatted with SPs about the money part and when it comes to an outcall that's let's say $300, all the SPs quote a similar range.

If I had to avg it out, it probably goes something like this:

Driver: $30
SP: $180
Agency: The rest
 

The "Bone" Ranger

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Even assuming the agency girl does not pay a portion of the condo or hotel room cost then numberswise independent is the way to go. The agencies don't screen at all (as far as I know).

There are pros and cons to both. There's no perfect solution of course. If you screen it can be a bit safer independent, if you don't screen it can be even more dangerous though working alone seeing anonymous guys. For Toronto the girls usually get 60% of the fee for incall agencies, if they're VIP they may get a little more... Cupids mentioned they raised it to $200 the SPs get for $300/h total I believe.
 

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I will just say hearing from ladies working at a variety of agencies (not just Cupids) in general guys who are shitty to one girl aren't always reported, and when they are sometimes the booker ignores it, sometimes the booker just makes a note he can't see that girl again and he's free to see everyone else until he gets blacklisted again. There is A LOT of pressure to not be a "problem" or "sensitive" girl and have wide open menus, not be picky and always give super reviewers a good time no matter what they do in session. The agency owners hold a lot of power and some of these ladies are young, naive and not very business savvy to go out on their own so out of fear they tow the line and often put up with bad behaviour so they still get shifts. Some of my colleagues have been forced to see blacklisted guys known for demanding BBFS because they were big spenders to the Agency and felt they deserved it. As long as they were paying and apparently not roughing up the girl it was ok for the guy to be repeatedly- - blacklisted??? - did you mean to say?? - - by different girls. I am not saying this is the case with the Cupids client though - just about experiences many have had working at other agencies when they were new.

I'm just sharing that numerous ex agency ladies have told me that they were forced to see blacklisted guys because the agency wanted to make money and didn't think the guy was that bad just for pushing boundaries or expecting bbfs if he was paying often. Don't think your favourite agency you frequent is in the clear and "never" does this kind of thing. It's pretty pervasive that money talks here.

Also not many providers are going to want to out themselves to their assaulter just to get the police to deal with it. A colleague of mine was attacked and has to testify against the guy and it's a very scary and stressful situation. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, and it's pretty dismissive to just say "go to the police" instead of trying to warn other SPs. I do think abuse, robbery and rape trump privacy if someone is very dangerous and a repeat offender. I know a lot of guys in this thread don't really know the story very well and are assuming it was an accident or he's innocent. I don't know him but he has been reported to have pushed for BBFS many times.
Thank you for the insights.
 

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Even assuming the agency girl does not pay a portion of the condo or hotel room cost then numberswise independent is the way to go. The agencies don't screen at all (as far as I know).
There is no doubt that all women would rather keep every dollar that that a client pays her, who wouldn't. But there are many women who have tried and have gone back to agencies. On the other hand many others have not. It is definitely not easy to be an independent. Agencies do screen by the way, maybe not all of them but I know many that do. I have known women who will not work for a certain agency or locations due to clients they know frequent the agency. Their biggest fear is having to see a big spending client of the agency against their wishes.

In regards to the original question of the thread, don't think for a second that the owner of Cupids didn't know what she was doing. Was she wrong? I cannot say yes or no for sure as I know (like everyone other guy who has commented here, unless of course you were the offending party) very little of what actually happened. You know it had to start with a very upset woman who was the victim of her client. Yes she was a VICTIM. Cupids has had thousands of clients over the years and what their client did has probably happened many times previously with him and others. Eventually there is a breaking point, and rightfully so, IMO, the offending client was outed. He severely broke the rules of the women he was seeing. Did he regret it at the time? Probably not since he most likely did this previously with no real consequences. Does he regret it now? I am sure that he does especially if it affects him personally or professionally. For everything that Terb and Twitter are, I can't see what has been discussed here or in Twitter having a huge impact on Cupids business. They did what they think is right and they will have many supporters from their clients and more importantly, the women who work with them. If what they did loses them some business, that is a small price to pay for supporting the women who are with them. Now if this hits the mainstream media (newspapers, cable, radio), then that is a different story. If it ever does it would be interesting to see what others think of the situation.

The rights of the guy in question were forfeited once he sexually assaulted the women. Sure call the Police and bring attention to all those involved (client, SP, agency etc....). If this was an outcall situation, can you imagine if it was reported to the Police and they arrive at his house to question and arrest him, possibly in front of his wife and children? Even if at a hotel the Police would still visit the client at his home since Cupids knows where he lives. Cupids made the conscious decision to deal with this client in the way they did. If I were him, I would think twice about ever doing it again. And just hope to God it doesn't make it to the mainstream news outlets, especially if it turns out that he is guilty. On the other hand, maybe that would be the best thing for women in the industry. Illegal actions have consequences and it doesn't matter if the offence is with a civilian or sex worker. Sexual assault is a crime.
 

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I do outcalls only, so maybe it's different, but out of all the agencies I've used (most of the the well known ones at some point), I've never been screened in any special way.

I just tell them when I'd like to see them and my address. That's it.

I've never told any of them my TERB handle, and none of them have even asked if I did use forums.
 

The "Bone" Ranger

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curious too...

@Samranchoi would you clarify what you mean by you know some agencies screen? In what way? I know Cupid’s now requires to confirm the gent is in their hotel or has a real phone number as they were getting a lot of fake bookings throwing a wrench into things and guys videotaping ladies without their consent.

For other agencies the booker generally books any known client, guys who give their handle and anyone who seems to be able to communicate enough to confirm a booking. Sometimes they have an internal bad client list, sometimes they have a look at other blacklists and add guys but most of the time that’s too much work to do. Almost anyone can book with an agency with a fake name and a Text App or email. To my knowledge it was only Cupid’s saying no Text apps now. So I don’t really believe there’s any screening being done at other mainstream agencies. (I know some of the Asian agencies insist on only seeing Asian terb members for instance but that’s not the norm)

Screening is not just asking for a random terb handle anyone can make. Generally it’s reference checking, checking the blacklists, checking if it’s a real phone number and getting their name if they don’t have a reference and some insist on verifying it.
 

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Nope, I meant booked. I really think that not a lot of people in general blacklist, whether indy or agency most just see money and still book undesirables as long as they pay and don't actually assault. I imagine agencies are more concerned on blacklisting guys who fake book appointments, no show, steal, or are verbally abusive to the phone girls. Remember the agency and the phone girl get paid for every appointment that is booked, so some choose money over appeasing the escorts and think they should just suck it up if someone is awful in person but paid up.
Garbage. Dont paint all agencies with the same brush my dear. Over the last ten years, no agency in the country has produced more legends and superstars than this one has done. No agency has more guys agency blacklisted than we do. We have NEVER forced any girl to see anybody that sh has blacklisted. Its her time and its her body. As far as agency blacklisting goes, just because one gil doesnt hit it off with somebody, it doesnt men all girls will not. We have guys that are blacklisted by certain girls, that are absolutely loved by others. As long as its not a safety, or aggression issue. An agency takes security to different levels than an Indy does, Most indies will book you with a couple of references. Our team will dangle you off of the fucking balcony head first. Cupids handles things one way, and Mirage another. Has been done. True story

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Garbage. Dont paint all agencies with the same brush my dear. Over the last ten years, no agency in the country has produced more legends and superstars than this one has done. No agency has more guys agency blacklisted than we do. We have NEVER forced any girl to see anybody that sh has blacklisted. Its her time and its her body. As far as agency blacklisting goes, just because one gil doesnt hit it off with somebody, it doesnt men all girls will not. We have guys that are blacklisted by certain girls, that are absolutely loved by others. As long as its not a safety, or aggression issue. An agency takes security to different levels than an Indy does, Most indies will book you with a couple of references. Our team will dangle you off of the fucking balcony head first. Cupids handles things one way, and Mirage another. Has been done. True story

Andy
Did Suge Knight ever work for you guys? He did the balcony thing a few times or so I've read.
 

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I am not here to fight. I should have clarified blanket blacklisting and not just individual sp blacklisting at the agency. I do some know indies who have left many of the main agencies including yours because they either wanted to try Indy and run their own business or they didn’t like being booked with a guy they had blacklisted being rebooked to see them. It could have been an error with a new booking agent not knowing but I know of one instance where that happened to an ex superstar of yours and another was told to be good to a well known hobbyist no matter what he wanted (boundary pushing for bbfs was on his mind). It’s impossible to run any business perfectly I know that but a lot of Agency ladies go Indy after having too many bad experiences with hobbyiests with special privileges at the agency or too many random undesireable clients wearing them down. I did also mention that some are blacklisted by individual ladies and free to see others which you did confirm. My point was that a guy getting blacklisted by an agency lady doesn’t necessarily mean he’s blacklisted across the entire agency or industry. Some of the gents in this thread were asking why on earth someone known to do these things supposedly was being booked again and I was sharing the insight I was told by ex agency SPs. Thank you for sharing and adding your perspective too.
And the guy you are referring to has long long been dealt with, and has never seen one of girls ever again since. That can be easily proven. Hes also a long time member of this board, which if it was up to me should be banned for life. Girls have the right to work were they wish. Its their life, their time and their bodies, whether they are agency or indy as long as they are safe, and happy, thats all that matters in the end.
 
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