CupidsEscorts Tweets a Client's Information

[apoptygma]

just because you have a burner phone/app doesn't mean it's untraceable by police. did you pay for the app via credit card? did you log into your email on the phone? did you take the phone around with you to your home or your workplace? did you learn nothing from edward snowden?

What does that have anything to do with my comment?
This situation has said to the stealthers and other scum bags:
Buy a burner phone at 7-11 for cash and use it... cuz guess what... the worst that is going to happen to me is my burner phone will get outed, and police will never get contacted.
Got it?

 

[frankcastle]

What does that have anything to do with my comment?
This situation has said to the stealthers and other scum bags:
Buy a burner phone at 7-11 for cash and use it... cuz guess what... the worst that is going to happen to me is my burner phone will get outed, and police will never get contacted.
Got it?

You can't use ONE single case to predict all other outcomes. Did the SP go to a hotel room (Cupids is an outcall)? How was the room booked? Are there cameras? Was there a agency driver? Did he note a car or plate? Fingerprints from cash exchange. DNA left inside the SP (happens even if you don't cum).

It would also be foolish to think there aren't agencies who are not beyond the idea of sending a goon to pay you a visit.

 

[dbiz2]

Cupids was totally wrong. By all means client scumbag was wrong if he did what was alleged. But the alleged client scumbag will find a way back into SP world much sooner that Cupids that stands to lose considerable client credibility.

While this was wrong on the client's part, if occurred, it reinforces why I don't use agencies. Yes, an independent could do the same thing. But likewise, I'm sure they would suffer the same financial peril that Cupids will most certainly face. What is even more concerning is that the confidentiality of client information was breached. Thus that act alone should let any prospective clientele that considers booking with Cupids, or for that matter any agency, should not be trusted when they say, "we never keep client information and value privacy."

That was certainly violated in this instance.

 

[Never Compromised]

I don't think LE would "happily get involved". And as far as throwing the book at him, they would throw it real hard at the owner of Cupids. You can count on that.

As someone that in the past sat in on meetings between the Special Victims Unit of the TPS and various agencies, the police would definitely get involved if information was brought to them. Suggesting otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding of the reality surrounding this issue.

The “client” has been fully identified, name, address phone number. He is “known to law enforcement” and has been accused of sexual assault in the past. He has apparently given a very well known and popular SP a STI years ago when she was young and naive. A restraining order is in effect against him

There are a number of women that think that he has gotten off very lightly by simply being outed and they hope he will face more serious consequences.

Was Cupid’s justified in plublically outing a client? IMHO no. Both Cupid’s and the SP in question did not wish to launch a complaint with TPS for a their own reasons. Letting other agencies and indies know via PM or a phone call would have been a much better solution. Jillian has outed both clients and girls in the past, if rumours are to be believed. This shows a continued lack of discretion in an industry that can only exist on discretion.

The reality for ALL CLIENTS under the current legislation is “don’t do the crime, if you can’t do the time”. The Nordic model has made this a very dangerous hobby for all involved. A new legislative approach is required, one that protects sex worked that have willingly entered the industry, and is much harsher on those that engage in human trafficking and slavery.

 

[peepingtom]

just because you have a burner phone/app doesn't mean it's untraceable by police. did you pay for the app via credit card? did you log into your email on the phone? did you take the phone around with you to your home or your workplace? did you learn nothing from edward snowden?

edward snowden did crazy shit! i'm just banging escorts with condom on of course, so no worries about technology tracing

At the end of the day I can be certain of a few things..... Cupids won't change and you'll still get laid (somewhere)

Finally! I agree with you.

As someone that in the past sat in on meetings between the Special Victims Unit of the TPS and various agencies, the police would definitely get involved if information was brought to them. Suggesting otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding of the reality surrounding this issue.

The “client” has been fully identified, name, address phone number. He is “known to law enforcement” and has been accused of sexual assault in the past. He has apparently given a very well known and popular SP a STI years ago when she was young and naive. A restraining order is in effect against him

There are a number of women that think that he has gotten off very lightly by simply being outed and they hope he will face more serious consequences.

Was Cupid’s justified in plublically outing a client? IMHO no. Both Cupid’s and the SP in question did not wish to launch a complaint with TPS for a their own reasons. Letting other agencies and indies know via PM or a phone call would have been a much better solution. Jillian has outed both clients and girls in the past, if rumours are to be believed. This shows a continued lack of discretion in an industry that can only exist on discretion.

The reality for ALL CLIENTS under the current legislation is “don’t do the crime, if you can’t do the time”. The Nordic model has made this a very dangerous hobby for all involved. A new legislative approach is required, one that protects sex worked that have willingly entered the industry, and is much harsher on those that engage in human trafficking and slavery.

Interesting. If the guy that Jillian outed has a bad rep, makes you wonder why he was still a long time client of cupids and she continued to put girls in danger by sending them to him. So not only does Jillian put client privacy in danger by exposing info, it seems like she puts girls in potential danger by knowingly sending them to a guy with a bad rep.

 

[Smallcock]

You can't use ONE single case to predict all other outcomes. Did the SP go to a hotel room (Cupids is an outcall)? How was the room booked? Are there cameras? Was there a agency driver? Did he note a car or plate? Fingerprints from cash exchange. DNA left inside the SP (happens even if you don't cum).

But none of that matters since SPs are not going to the police. The agency owner was treated and happily accepted being the first and only line of recourse.

It would also be foolish to think there aren't agencies who are not beyond the idea of sending a goon to pay you a visit.

I think you're way out of line and into some pretty strange territory.

 

[Smallcock]

Interesting. If the guy that Jillian outed has a bad rep, makes you wonder why he was still a long time client of cupids and she continued to put girls in danger by sending them to him. So not only does Jillian put client privacy in danger by exposing info, it seems like she puts girls in potential danger by knowingly sending them to a guy with a bad rep.

Yeah this is a really interesting question I hope someone can shed more light on.

It's all about the money knowingly dealing with a guy with a bad rep, then when he owns up to his rep, all of a sudden it's #metoo girl power sisterhood protection over privacy!

 

[frankcastle]

I think you're way out of line and into some pretty strange territory.

You may think a goon showing up at your door is strange territory.

But I'm pretty sure there are agencies with criminal ties. For example, biker gangs have long been reputed to be associated with prostitution. Is that to say ALL agencies are run by bikers? Absolutely not. Is violence the only way it would be dealt with? Absolutely not. But it is a possibility, so a potential stealthier should consider that before they run around booking girls thinking nothing will happen to them.

I'm not limiting this to bikers..... it could be other organizations and or smaller pimp type scenarios as well. When you book you technically don't know a whole lot about who you are really dealing with.

Another scenario could be.... agency has proof of guy booking/going to see a SP and they threaten to send it to his wife if he doesn't pay a certain amount of money for the sexual assault.

So as I originally stated, if a stealther is reading this thread and thinking it is a perfect crime with no consequences..... they would be misguided as a burner phone is not the only evidence they would leave AND you can't be certain of what types of actions an agency would be willing to do to you just because of this case. Furthermore, just because you haven't heard of the scenarios I suggested doesn't mean they don't occur. How many would be willing to admit they got the shit kicked out of them/extorted or some other consequence for assaulting a SP?

Anyways, it's a risk that people would have to calculate/assess for themselves.

 

[essguy_]

You may think a goon showing up at your door is strange territory.

But I'm pretty sure there are agencies with criminal ties. For example, biker gangs have long been reputed to be associated with prostitution. Is that to say ALL agencies are run by bikers? Absolutely not. Is violence the only way it would be dealt with? Absolutely not. But it is a possibility, so a potential stealthier should consider that before they run around booking girls thinking nothing will happen to them.

Another scenario could be.... agency has proof of guy booking/going to see a SP and they threaten to send it to his wife if he doesn't pay a certain amount of money for the sexual assault.

So as I originally stated, if a stealther is reading this thread and thinking it is a perfect crime with no consequences..... they would be misguided as a burner phone is not the only evidence they would leave AND you can't be certain of what types of actions an agency would be willing to do to you just because of this case. Furthermore, just because you haven't heard of the scenarios I suggested doesn't mean they don't occur. How many would be willing to admit they got the shit kicked out of them for assaulting a SP?

So what, now you’re saying that an agency provider will rifle through your wallet to get an address while you’re in the shower? Have you done a “risk analysis” on that? Lol!

Jillian should have called police, end of story. The more info that comes out about this guy the more it looks like a big mistake to let him go. Maybe Jillian felt guilty for exposing her staff to a guy with such a reputation, but outing accomplished nothing except letting the creep off, and raising questions about privacy.

 

[essguy_]

As someone that in the past sat in on meetings between the Special Victims Unit of the TPS and various agencies, the police would definitely get involved if information was brought to them. Suggesting otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding of the reality surrounding this issue.

The “client” has been fully identified, name, address phone number. He is “known to law enforcement” and has been accused of sexual assault in the past. He has apparently given a very well known and popular SP a STI years ago when she was young and naive. A restraining order is in effect against him

There are a number of women that think that he has gotten off very lightly by simply being outed and they hope he will face more serious consequences.

Was Cupid’s justified in plublically outing a client? IMHO no. Both Cupid’s and the SP in question did not wish to launch a complaint with TPS for a their own reasons. Letting other agencies and indies know via PM or a phone call would have been a much better solution. Jillian has outed both clients and girls in the past, if rumours are to be believed. This shows a continued lack of discretion in an industry that can only exist on discretion.

The reality for ALL CLIENTS under the current legislation is “don’t do the crime, if you can’t do the time”. The Nordic model has made this a very dangerous hobby for all involved. A new legislative approach is required, one that protects sex worked that have willingly entered the industry, and is much harsher on those that engage in human trafficking and slavery.

Absolutely agree with this. The situation was handled very, very poorly.

 

[frankcastle]

So what, now you’re saying that an agency provider will rifle through your wallet to get an address while you’re in the shower? Have you done a “risk analysis” on that? Lol!

I said nothing of the sort. Somebody said all you need is a burner phone to get away with it. I pointed out that there are other potential clues you could leave behind.... like how you booked/paid for your hotel room, security cameras, your DNA, your fingerprints etc.

 

[frankcastle]

Have you done a “risk analysis” on that? Lol!

Well I'd say if a stealther bases their risk analysis using just this one event they are idiots.

 

[essguy_]

I said nothing of the sort. Somebody said all you need is a burner phone to get away with it. I pointed out that there are other potential clues you could leave behind.... like how you booked/paid for your hotel room, security cameras, your DNA, your fingerprints etc.

Ahhh... OF COURSE! The agency won’t get LE involved, they will simply get their forensics division to gather evidence, then send a goon to beat the crap out of you. It all makes so much sense now! Fortunately the risk is so small that it fits my narrative, right Frank?

 

[chrischris1980]

While this was wrong on the client's part, if occurred, it reinforces why I don't use agencies. Yes, an independent could do the same thing. But likewise, I'm sure they would suffer the same financial peril that Cupids will most certainly face. What is even more concerning is that the confidentiality of client information was breached. Thus that act alone should let any prospective clientele that considers booking with Cupids, or for that matter any agency, should not be trusted when they say, "we never keep client information and value privacy."

That was certainly violated in this instance.

I really disagree. I think theres a MUCH higher chance of an indy screwing you over. All it takes is you making one person angry if theyre an indy, and if theyre unstable, youre screwed. Cupids was wrong here but in general at least the agencies know how to conduct themselves and generally do appropriately. If its an indy youre dealing with literally one person.

 

[frankcastle]

Ahhh... OF COURSE! The agency won’t get LE involved, they will simply get their forensics division to gather evidence, then send a goon to beat the crap out of you. It all makes so much sense now! Fortunately the risk is so small that it fits my narrative, right Frank?

At what point did I say it was a high probability?

All I was saying is that if you think it is a perfect crime. You're wrong.

 

[frankcastle]

You can't use ONE single case to predict all other outcomes. Did the SP go to a hotel room (Cupids is an outcall)? How was the room booked? Are there cameras? Was there a agency driver? Did he note a car or plate? Fingerprints from cash exchange. DNA left inside the SP (happens even if you don't cum).

It would also be foolish to think there aren't agencies who are not beyond the idea of sending a goon to pay you a visit.

Essguy.... this was my original post.... where does it say police won't be called

Also, where does it say high probability or likely?

 

[essguy_]

Essguy.... this was my original post.... where does it say police won't be called

Also, where does it say high probability or likely?

Frank - you've been bending over backwards to convince people that the "risk" (using a very faulty risk analysis) at Cupids is no higher than other agencies. Then you went off on a tangent about burner phones and how there are other ways to get info. No dispute there. But in your string of posts, you've gone from attempting to convince people that the risk of being outed at Cupids is "ZERO" (it isn't) to warning about the risks of discovery. You're all over the map.

Bottom line: Cupids handled this poorly, IMO. They should have called LE and put this guy on their watchlist or charged, IMO. The risk of being outed at Cupids is NOT zero, FACT. People will make their own decisions on whether to use this agency or not, so you can stop trying to lecture people over their own decisions.

 

[frankcastle]

Frank - you've been bending over backwards to convince people that the "risk" (using a very faulty risk analysis) at Cupids is no higher than other agencies. Then you went off on a tangent about burner phones and how there are other ways to get info. No dispute there. But in your string of posts, you've gone from attempting to convince people that the risk of being outed at Cupids is "ZERO" (it isn't) to warning about the risks of discovery. You're all over the map.

Bottom line: Cupids handled this poorly, IMO. They should have called LE and put this guy on their watchlist or charged, IMO. The risk of being outed at Cupids is NOT zero, FACT. People will make their own decisions on whether to use this agency or not, so you can stop trying to lecture people over their own decisions.

Essguy.... that discovery tangent was in response to apoptygma saying that a stealther with a burner could get away with it.

I am not going to bother arguing your other points because i said my piece.

It is however worth noting you didnt respond to my questions about the words you were putting in my mouth. Instead you gave me this response.

Look at my whole message rather than parts because i did say outing was wrong many times and that it was up to each person to make their own decision to avoid or boycott

At no point did i tell anyone what they should do.

Youve got lots of choices..... one of them includes ignoring me.

Plenty of people have responded to my posts so readers can certainly make up their mind having heard multiple perspectives

 

[Toronto Passions]

Guys, many assumptions are being made. Unless the parties involved actually speak, we really don’t know the full scope of the situation.

Philip

 

[peepingtom]

Guys, many assumptions are being made. Unless the parties involved actually speak, we really don’t know the full scope of the situation.

Philip

What we do know for a fact without any assumptions is Jillian tweeted her long time clients name, number and address because...well the reason for the outing doesn’t matter as a lot of people in this thread are giving a thumbs down for the outing.