OK, let's try something here. Assume a room filled with 300 people equally split between men and women are asked the following questions. Gentlemen, by a show of hands, how many have to some degree did something to a woman that could be construed as sexual assault or harassment. Hmmm, one, two ,three , four ....... Ok 7 honest gentlemen. Ok, ladies and gentlemen, by a show of hands, who knows a woman who has experienced to some degree sexual harassment or assault. Whoa, too many to count but seeing that the room is filled to capacity, it looks like almost everyone knows a woman who has experienced some form of sexual harassment or assault. Hypothetical or not, in realty, therein lies the problem.
CupidsEscorts Tweets a Client's Information
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I can't have a open discussion when someone has closed their mind. Sorry.
But I will answer you with a question - how many victims get justice through this system? Justice and law are two different things. Hence it is a legal system. Like you said, no emotion involved right. Which is emotional. Justice or legality.
There is your answer.
I'd point out these stats back up just how many fake rape cries the police get
59% of reports had a suspect ID
43% of that resulted in a charge
49% of those actually went to court
& 55% of those resulted in a conviction
A very small number despite claims the world is coming to an end
Less than 6% of the claims
1%???
I don't have a closed mind; that's why I'm inquiring into your own viewpoints. Disagreement is not close-mindedness.
Let's say we take your idea of a legal system as being a set of reasoned laws. Those laws were laid down at some point in the past based on the moral principles of people at that time. Our moral sense changes with time, and our laws are slowly updated to accommodate.
When you talk about justice as an emotional concept, I disagree. I think we can have a moral objection to the state of our laws, and have that be based on principle rather than emotional justifications. After all, that's why you, me and and rest of us are here.
But emotional justice and the power to wield it sounds like vigilantism to me. The problem is two-fold: first that everyone will have their own sense of justice, and second that it won't be constrained by reason. That's a volatile mix.
You ask how many victims gets justice through our legal system? I say more than otherwise would. In thousands of years, this is the best system we've come up with. It's flawed, and there may be a better system out there. But I don't think vigilantism is it.
You don't think numbers play a role. I do. I also believe that is a closed minded opinion and I can't debate further with that.
You have said your piece and that is all. I am not debating with you on what you think is justice vs legality. In my opinion, there are much more important things to be talking about besides your curiosity on my opinion on the difference. I am not into comparing words and how they pretain to the system. Which is strange in itself because you do kind of agree with my opinion on the difference anyway.
So moving on... I am not able to continue the debate you are trying to have. You can feel you won if that makes it easier for you. I would rather discuss other things of importance pertaining to sexual assault/harassment, even false accusations etc. Not playing word games. Sorry. Thanks but no thanks.
What makes you think people here support guy who likes stealthing when most suggest this should be police matter as sexual assault is involved?
We may not want to but I know I would if I felt I had to and someone robbing, beating or raping me is when I would do so, even knowing the statistics.
While outing him may have deterred him and others from engaging in this kind of behaviour there are always going to be some who think they can outsmart the system and will continue to do so, especially if they have serious mental problems.
I agree but there are also clients that aren't that smart or responsible as will be illustrated below.
I wholeheartedly agree but this goes both ways. What I'm about to post is not meant to detract from the topic at hand but to enlighten some of you as to what really goes on behind the scenes and why vetting clients is so important to us all.
When I first started in the industry someone kept flagging my craigslist ads and then posted a bogus warning about me claiming that a big black man answered my door, relieved them of their money and escorted them out. Then a member on the blue board, back when Paul owned it, brought this fake accusation to everyone's attention, without knowing if it was true or not. Luckily a member there with credibility had seen me and cleared the matter up. Imagine if that wasn't the case. That could and most likely would have decimated my new business. I used to make people go to an address literally on the way first and when there text me for the exact address as a precaution. Again, luckily I did this because another member on that same board outed what they thought was my real address. Clearly they had pulled a no show on me.
Flash forward a few years back when I started working in Vaughan. I would book new clients via a phone call from their real cell, which was groused about by a member here who singled me out, devoting a thread to criticizing my ads and booking process. Another member here was contacting clients of mine via PM claiming that I told him my real name, asking them to refresh his memory because he couldn't recall it. He was banned for doing so. Yet another member here PMd me asking me what building I worked from claiming he thought I might be working in his building. Of course I didn't respond to his query. Then some coward anonymously called the condo corp on me and had me evicted. I never said anything at the time and carried on like business as usual, even though it cost me much both financially and health wise. I simply started working from another condo in Woodbridge and continued to book new clients via a phone call from their real cell. Some time after that incident the crazy owner of the Jerry Springer board outed my real first name there.
Batman57 has texted me using an app, threatening to not stop harassing me until I leave the industry. I went to the police to see what if anything can be done about it and they explained that unfortunately there's nothing other than blocking that number.
If we had a better system to weed out bad clients these incidents wouldn't happen, including Jilian's response.
Food for Thought Folks!
Thanks for that revealing insight into the business.
Do you have any ideas or suggestions for how a proper vetting system should / could work?
I wish I did but as I've pointed out here before, when I post in the Public Service Announcements section few ladies inquire as to who the culprits are and now that I ask for references, it is not uncommon to get no response at all, leaving me in the dark and forcing me to ask for more info. from potential clients. I just learned about verifyhim.com and safeoffice.com from another provider. As a non advertiser I don't have access to the private section here. Trust me when I say a one stop international data base, much like that used by LE for sex offenders, would save us all a lot of time and energy instead of having to go to several different sources/lengths in order to allay our fears.
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I’m planing on building a national SP lounge for all the ladies across Canada in the future. I don’t feel anyone should be trying to commercialize or profit from the safety of sex workers. It’s a right of every legitimate sex worker to have access to the information they need to operate safely. You shouldn’t have to pay an advertising fee to access safety information.
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Its very sad to see this kind of thing happen and it should not have happened to you. But the bait and steal con has been long running and it still is at some places listed on back page.
Stats Canada's 'Voodoo' Statistical Data Obscuring Main Issue
Stephen Harper had the right idea when he cut funding to the pencil pushers at Stats Canada. Strange that the left leaning StatsCan never seem to take notice of the genuine stats often produced by the Fraser Institute.
But the point of this thread was whether or not Cupids should have outed a client for what their escort claimed was sexual assault or intentional removal of a condom during or before the act.
The bottom line on that question is no, they shouldn't have.
In a lot of cases, the Crown charges someone with sexual assault having decent evidence behind them. The Defence then agree to a plea deal on a lesser charge to spare everyone the hassle and expense of a trial. So the 'stats' are very misleading in that respect. Justice is served in many of the cases, its not just a matter of the perpetrator walking off completely free.
Stephen Harper had the right idea when he cut funding to the pencil pushers at Stats Canada. Strange that the left leaning StatsCan never seem to take notice of the genuine stats often produced by the Fraser Institute.
But the point of this thread was whether or not Cupids should have outed a client for what their escort claimed was sexual assault or intentional removal of a condom during or before the act.
The bottom line on that question is no, they shouldn't have.
“Leftist Stats Canada” - What a load of crap. Stats Canada (data which the Fraser Institute uses) had a great reputation for the quality and timeliness of data - used all over the world by anybody who traded Canadian financial instruments or company who had a presence or plans to build in Canada. As far as National Statistical Agencies went (and EVERY developed country has them) Canada had a far better reputation for data quality and timeliness than Eg: the BLS or any European agency. Harper tried to cripple a well respected institution by cutting funding AND by forcing “shared services” which has been an outright CPC fuckup from day one. But then, facts and good data were always Harper’s enemy because they made it harder for him to pretend like he knew what he was doing. After all, this is the dope who ignored the signs and worsening stats and campaigned in 2008 on Canada missing the recession and Canada having NO deficit.
Edit to add: Attached is a Fraser Report on alternative paths to balance for the Alberta Govt. Note the references on page 25 of the .pdf : CANSIM is Stats Canada data. Ironically, some of the population and demographic data which the Fraser Institute used in this one recent example is obtained from Census data. Yeah - that's right the same Census which Harper tried to water down - then later (after Harper was gone), his former colleagues admitted that it was a mistake. Facts are your friend. Or at least, should be.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/alternative-paths-for-albertas-budget-balance-by-2023-24-is-not-enough.pdf
You misunderstand what was posted.
Those stats are gathered:
1. When someone reports a sexual assault to the police, even if a suspect is never caught or charged.
2. When someone is charged with sexual assault, even if the perp is never convicted.
3. When someone is convicted of sexual assault.
All of these are based on “reports to police,” and generally only about 10% of sexual assaults are reported to police.
The “even if” scenario you mention falls within #2... When someone is reported but never convicted.
This DOES not mean “justice is served” in many cases, it just means the Crown lacks evidence to convict a person based on our laws as they relate to sexual assault. Assuming in all of those cases, or even most that the lack of evidence is a sign that no sexual assault took place is pretty dismissive of what we’re seeing on social media, hearing from the women in our lives, and reading within credible journalism.
If this doesn’t explain it, I’m still not sure how the stats you mention could be misleading. Neither link had findings based on the StatsCan long-form survey you refer to. See the “Survey Descriptions” found towards the end of each report.
Also, both of these reports were generated by and presented to a Conservative government.
Yea, I worked for the Fraser Institute during and after I finished grad school and can tell you, with the exception of the ‘back to OP suggestion” you’ve got it considerably wrong. Wishful thinking perhaps?
Keeping the masses ignorant is a tried and true technique for despotic regimes around the world and the right wing in North America, although not as extreme. It allows them to control the message (as Harper did above) and then not have to worry about as much pushback from the masses.
I agree, but this board member had contacted me prior to the warning, telling me of his foot fetish, to which I had very nicely taken the time to not only chat with him but send him a gratuitous photo of my tootsies.
He later texted me out of the blue saying what a horrible person I was. I replied that I had no idea what he was going on about . It was then that he told me about the warning. I assured him it wasn't true and that I'd look into the matter, which I did with craigslist. Still he went ahead and posted about it on the blue board, trying to be the hero to his fellow hobbyists.
I saw his post and one member pointed out the fact that I was working in a nice area, the ad was well written and that I even mentioned escort etiquette in it, saying that he for one thought the warning didn't make any sense and would chance a meeting with me anyway. Everyone else thought differently. Then, thankfully, a gent who had seen me dispelled the situation.
The individual who started that thread contacted me again wanting to see me. I told him no because of what he did and he thought I was being unfair to him. He really didn't grasp the gravity of his actions.
The ad had none of the qualities of a 'bait n switch', including no 'too good to be true' photos to lure someone in. Some time ago a client made me aware that my photos were being fraudulently used and I warned everyone about it https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?594126-Fraudulent-Use-of-my-Photos-and-Excellent-Reputation. Look at Aardvark154's (post #2) comment. That BP ad http://ottawa.backpage.ca/FemaleEsc...a-in-ottawa-tonight-and-this-weekend/59212937 is very different from my prior craigslist one. People really need to exercise common sense before posting!
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So someone WHO HAD NEVER SEEN YOU caught wind of a false report and decided his job was to spread the lie? Pathetic on his part...
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