CupidsEscorts Tweets a Client's Information

[Raging Light]

In all fairness to some of the commenters, police were not involved. The lady decline to involve them. As stated by Cupid's in tweet when asked. Cant say I blame the girl, cops would just make it an "unfounded" report and move on. They don't do shit for victims of crimes. Look at the Apotex murders. The family had to hire outside of the force to get something done.

I personally don't believe that a criminal conviction is needed to call someone who rapes a woman a rapist but others disagree with me on that.

It’s very sad to hear things are that bad. Hopefully Liberals new laws will be passed to change that. They’re finally going to discuss C36 at the Libreral caucus this year in April.

Cupids did the right thing. They shouldn’t have deleted that Tweet. It was important for the ladies to have that information to protect them. We need national non-profit SP lounge for the ladies in Canada.

If he’s behind bars he can’t harm someone else. As long as he’s free, he has another opportunity to harm another sex worker. Something has to change.

I find the for-profit commercialized lounges are doing little or nothing to help sex workers when the information they have is not being shared with all of the boards across Canada.

 

[TeeJay]

Anyone defending the guy's alleged actions is indeed disgusting. But I haven't actually seen that. Mostly the response in this thread has been a reaction to Cupid's stupid decision to out the guy's personal info. And the rest has been about the fact the guy hasn't been proven guilty of anything. If proof exists, this should have immediately gone to the police. Instead, Jillian engaged in some vigilante justice.

No one is commenting on the actual act since it is a "She Said & Posted Online"
Not even she said he said

I mean for fucks sake, how does ANYONE besides the escort know what really happened? Jillian certainly does not.
For all we know the condom broke/slipped off/was agreed to BBFS but then he didn't pay etc
So many possibilities

Hence the hatred towards agency by the general Terbites

 

[Raging Light]

Actually they would, Stealthing is sexual assault and law inforcement would happily get involved. As well they would throw the book at him for purchasing sex for money.

Thanks for posting this DS1976. This is one of the smartest posts in this thread. I’d rather see this guy punished for what he did. Things like this make it difficult for legitimate clients to enjoy the hobby.

 

[TFZL1]

Wow, over 400 posts and none of it changed anything.
Yes, he should be charged, no he wasn’t, there is no evidence, it’s only he said she said, the owner stood up for her girl, which is what she’s supposed to do.
The world didn’t end.

And I bet he got the message to never try that again.

 

[Raging Light]

Wow, over 400 posts and none of it changed anything.
Yes, he should be charged, no he wasn’t, there is no evidence, it’s only he said she said, the owner stood up for her girl, which is what she’s supposed to do.
The world didn’t end.

And I bet he got the message to never try that again.

The medical tests have to be done within (3-days) 72 hours after the assault occurred. Any physical evidence will start to deteriorate afterwards making it much harder to prove.

Regardless this incident should be reported to the police to investigate. A C36 charge is unlikely since they would have to prove a transaction occurred long after the fact. Those cases are never successful.

Having the LE knock on his door to take him down to the station for questioning sends a very clear message. Even if he doesn’t get charged, his name is kept on record.

No one should be beating-up on Cupid’s. It’s a difficult and heartbreaking situation. Emotions run high. Jillian was protecting one of her ladies. It’s not like client lists were being posted online.

 

[rhuarc29]

How would you feel if your mother, sister or daughter was raped and the man who did it got away with it?

Better yet, why don't you pull up stats for how many innocent men are behind bars and how many women are raped without any type of justice. Then compare and tell me which side you fall on.

Do you think that it is ok for 100 women to raped with no justice so long as 1 man does not sit in jail? Seriously, please answer that. Are you cool with that?

Are you okay with 100 innocent men spending over a decade of their life in prison so that one woman isn't raped?
Besides, the question isn't a numbers game. The question is would you rather have a innocent person locked up or a guilty person go free. I would rather have the latter. Our justice system is based on the latter.
If there is no presumption of innocence, the whole system breaks down. I could accuse you yourself of rape, and you'd have to prove that I didn't rape you. How are you going to do that? Unless you catch me in a lie that otherwise can be dis-proven (ie I said the rape took place at 3pm, but was caught on camera elsewhere at that time), it's virtually impossible to prove something DIDN'T happen. It's like people who say God is real. You ask them to prove it. Their response is to ask you to prove He doesn't exist. It's a false equivalency.

You ask me how I would feel if my mother, sister or daughter was raped and the guy got away? I'd be livid, of course. I would want that man dead. I may even push to have the laws changed. But I'd be wrong to do so. It would be an emotional appeal with no basis in reason. Justice should be based on reason, not emotion.

 

[managee]

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2017001/article/54870-eng.htm

From From arrest to conviction: Court outcomes of police-reported sexual assaults in Canada, 2009 to 2014

Over a six‑year period between 2009 and 2014, sexual assault cases experienced attrition at all levels of the criminal justice system: an accused was identified in three in five (59%) sexual assault incidents reported by police; less than half (43%) of sexual assault incidents resulted in a charge being laid; of these, half (49%) proceeded to court; of which just over half (55%) led to a conviction; of which just over half (56%) were sentenced to custody.

About 1 in 10 (12%) sexual assaults reported by police led to a criminal conviction, and 7% resulted in a custody sentence. This is compared with 23% and 8%, respectively, for physical assaults.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2013001/article/11766-eng.pdf

From Measuring Violence Against Women: Statistical Trends

Sexual assault is one of the most underreported violent crimes…

Sexual assaults perpetrated by someone other than a spouse are least likely to come to the attention of police: 90% are not reported to police (2009).

As for women who experience sexual assault in spousal relationships, only 53% contact police (2009).

Given the stated reporting levels for sexual assault, actual rates of sexual violence are likely much higher than official estimates.

The number of sexual assaults reported to police in the stats can report was over 39,000. That represents only 10% of the actual number that took place, according to stats can data.

So by my bad math, of the approximate 350,000 reported and unreported sexual assaults that occurred in Canada during the study, a little over 1% of the perpetrators were convicted.

Glad I don’t have daughters...

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Are you okay with 100 innocent men spending over a decade of their life in prison so that one woman isn't raped?
Besides, the question isn't a numbers game. The question is would you rather have a innocent person locked up or a guilty person go free. I would rather have the latter. Our justice system is based on the latter.
If there is no presumption of innocence, the whole system breaks down. I could accuse you yourself of rape, and you'd have to prove that I didn't rape you. How are you going to do that? Unless you catch me in a lie that otherwise can be dis-proven (ie I said the rape took place at 3pm, but was caught on camera elsewhere at that time), it's virtually impossible to prove something DIDN'T happen. It's like people who say God is real. You ask them to prove it. Their response is to ask you to prove He doesn't exist. It's a false equivalency.

You ask me how I would feel if my mother, sister or daughter was raped and the guy got away? I'd be livid, of course. I would want that man dead. I may even push to have the laws changed. But I'd be wrong to do so. It would be an emotional appeal with no basis in reason. Justice should be based on reason, not emotion.

You refused to answer the question, which is the answer in itself. You are completely ok with 100 women being raped so long as 1 innocent man does not go to jail. That is sad.

and no, I would not be okay with 100 innocent men going to jail so that one woman is not rape. Nope. That is not me, but then to me, numbers play. So that is pretty much the end of an open discussion between us.

PS - It is not a justice system. It is a legal system. That is part of the problem.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2017001/article/54870-eng.htm

From From arrest to conviction: Court outcomes of police-reported sexual assaults in Canada, 2009 to 2014


http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2013001/article/11766-eng.pdf

From Measuring Violence Against Women: Statistical Trends



The number of sexual assaults reported to police in the stats can report was over 39,000. That represents only 10% of the actual number that took place, according to stats can data.

So by my bad math, of the approximate 350,000 reported and unreported sexual assaults that occurred in Canada during the study, a little over 1% of the perpetrators were convicted.

Glad I don’t have daughters...

Thankfully someone gets the numbers in this. I wish more were like you.

 

[sempel]

IMO, nobody should be jailed if innocent, no women should be raped/assaulted, and anyone's who's guilty should be jailed for a very long time. I don't think there's more to it than that. As far as I'm concerned each one is achievable, there's no give and take although there's clearly examples of all three going horribly wrong.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2017001/article/54870-eng.htm

From From arrest to conviction: Court outcomes of police-reported sexual assaults in Canada, 2009 to 2014


http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2013001/article/11766-eng.pdf

From Measuring Violence Against Women: Statistical Trends



The number of sexual assaults reported to police in the stats can report was over 39,000. That represents only 10% of the actual number that took place, according to stats can data.

So by my bad math, of the approximate 350,000 reported and unreported sexual assaults that occurred in Canada during the study, a little over 1% of the perpetrators were convicted.

Glad I don’t have daughters...

Yes the number is low. That is mostly due to a lack of evidence although some recent cases have brought to light systemic bias amongst the police and judicial community. Without much evidence, many cases are based on hearsay/credibility which is frightening as anyone can make shit up and it can be hard to disprove.

Knowing this is the case, I would argue that girls need to be educated way better. I don't know what parents tell their daughters but I remember mine telling my sister what not to do.

1) Avoid excessive drinking
2) Go with RELIABLE buddies/friends. Leave with those you came with.
3) Careful accepting drinks that you didn't see poured. Never leave your drink unattended.

There are plenty of other situations that could eventually lead to an assault (going home with a guy you just met, walking alone late at night, etc.) and if these are things your kid is going to do, again, they should be aware of the potential dangers. I don't think it's ever been unclear that sex is the endgame for most guys. Women should not be oblivious to this fact. As such, act accordingly to avoid certain situations/scenarios. I don't blame women who are victims of assault (it's always on the perp) but there are certainly actions that can be taken to reduce it.

Sorry - a little off topic.

 

[derrick76]

How would you feel if your mother, sister or daughter was raped and the man who did it got away with it?

Better yet, why don't you pull up stats for how many innocent men are behind bars and how many women are raped without any type of justice. Then compare and tell me which side you fall on.

Do you think that it is ok for 100 women to raped with no justice so long as 1 man does not sit in jail? Seriously, please answer that. Are you cool with that?

I have 4 daughters and obviously wouldn't want any of them to be raped much less their attacker walk. I also don't want to spend 20 years of my life rotting in prison for something I didn't do.

So what do you suggest?

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I have 4 daughters and obviously wouldn't want any of them to be raped much less their attacker walk. I also don't want to spend 20 years of my life rotting in prison for something I didn't do.

So what do you suggest?

Besides lots and lots and lots of open and honest discussion, proper early education and a revamp of the legal system, not much sadly.

I wish people would realize that both sides, men and women, have harmful things being done to them. We both have to be working together instead of apart.

Sadly, I am seeing more division and fighting between the sexes and I don't see us working together anytime soon. So what does that mean? More harm is going to happen to your children and mine. Fucking sucks, I know.

PS - I should add, revamp of the legal system meaning implementing at least two things. Affirmative Yes and a new specific law about false reporting of sexual assault and I will even through in about domestic violence since there is a lot of false reporting there as well.

 

[Raging Light]

Besides lots and lots and lots of open and honest discussion, proper early education and a revamp of the legal system, not much sadly.

I wish people would realize that both sides, men and women, have harmful things being done to them. We both have to be working together instead of apart.

Sadly, I am seeing more division and fighting between the sexes and I don't see us working together anytime soon. So what does that mean? More harm is going to happen to your children and mine. Fucking sucks, I know.

PS - I should add, revamp of the legal system meaning implementing at least two things. Affirmative Yes and a new specific law about false reporting of sexual assault and I will even through in about domestic violence since there is a lot of false reporting there as well.

Here’s a sad truth many review board members may not appreciate/understand since they’ve never experienced this themselves. The LE has a long way to go when it comes to addressing sex worker safety. Many don’t realize a lot of ladies need to have their lawyer present to effectively report assaults and other crimes to the LE.

The LE behaves differently when a lawyer is present. They know if they make a mistake in front of a lawyer their jobs could be on the line. I don’t think some guys truly appreciate or respect how difficult it is for a sex worker to come forward after being victimized.

If you have to pick one of the most difficult challenges any women can face in their life, it would be coming forward to report a sexual assault. We hope to God no women should ever have to experience such a horrific situation.

TERB members should realize the “act of coming forward” is difficult beyond words. We should be far more sympathetic to any sex worker who has been victimized.

All I have to say to some of the guys with unforatunate comments in this thread. “Think before you type.”

 

[Wizard Merlin]

A misunderstanding and client is outed on twitter.

Sorry, but as it ralates to BBFS, there should NEVER be a misunderstanding.

 

[managee]

IMO, nobody should be jailed if innocent, no women should be raped/assaulted, and anyone's who's guilty should be jailed for a very long time. I don't think there's more to it than that. As far as I'm concerned each one is achievable, there's no give and take although there's clearly examples of all three going horribly wrong.



Yes the number is low. That is mostly due to a lack of evidence although some recent cases have brought to light systemic bias amongst the police and judicial community. Without much evidence, many cases are based on hearsay/credibility which is frightening as anyone can make shit up and it can be hard to disprove.

Knowing this is the case, I would argue that girls need to be educated way better. I don't know what parents tell their daughters but I remember mine telling my sister what not to do.

1) Avoid excessive drinking
2) Go with RELIABLE buddies/friends. Leave with those you came with.
3) Careful accepting drinks that you didn't see poured. Never leave your drink unattended.

There are plenty of other situations that could eventually lead to an assault (going home with a guy you just met, walking alone late at night, etc.) and if these are things your kid is going to do, again, they should be aware of the potential dangers. I don't think it's ever been unclear that sex is the endgame for most guys. Women should not be oblivious to this fact. As such, act accordingly to avoid certain situations/scenarios. I don't blame women who are victims of assault (it's always on the perp) but there are certainly actions that can be taken to reduce it.

Sorry - a little off topic.

I’ll take your tangeant and rebut.


Once again, with respect, it feels like you’re victim-blaming. I understand you see it as prudent advice that women need to share with women, but until going to a bar and getting drunk, walking home alone at night or just going to work is safe for all genders, any blame for assaults that happen in these contexts should not to be laid on victims.

Perhaps men need better education on how not to sexually assault women. Or older brothers need to give better advice to younger brothers on consent...

Or maybe someone could just start a movement, maybe using popular social networks and a hashtag, which draws attention to the prevalence of these assaults, in-particular those which go unreported, in an effort to create an informal society-wide support network which gives victims the confidence in the legal system and/or protections afforded to them as victims that some victims clearly feel are absent in today’s society, in order to entice them ALL to come forward as victims in the hopes of putting an end to sexual violence. #MeAlso or #TimesPrettyMuchUp or something similar may work.

Maybe then if guys actually see consequences, legally, professionally, financially and socially, they’ll consider not sexually assaulting women in the future, and may reach out to women they’ve victimized in the past to make amends.

Regardless, the current system (legal and social) CLEARLY has led the silencing of victims, and for the sakes of our moms, wives, daughters and anyone else who could already be a victim or might become a victim one day, a change is needed.

 

[sempel]

I’ll take your tangeant and rebut.


Once again, with respect, it feels like you’re victim-blaming. I understand you see it as prudent advice that women need to share with women, but until going to a bar and getting drunk, walking home alone at night or just going to work is safe for all genders, any blame for assaults that happen in these contexts should not to be laid on victims.

Perhaps men need better education on how not to sexually assault women. Or older brothers need to give better advice to younger brothers on consent...

Or maybe someone could just start a movement, maybe using popular social networks and a hashtag, which draws attention to the prevalence of these assaults, in-particular those which go unreported, in an effort to create an informal society-wide support network which gives victims the confidence in the legal system and/or protections afforded to them as victims that some victims clearly feel are absent in today’s society, in order to entice them ALL to come forward as victims in the hopes of putting an end to sexual violence. #MeAlso or #TimesPrettyMuchUp or something similar may work.

Maybe then if guys actually see consequences, legally, professionally, financially and socially, they’ll consider not sexually assaulting women in the future, and may reach out to women they’ve victimized in the past to make amends.

Regardless, the current system (legal and social) CLEARLY has led the silencing of victims, and for the sakes of our moms, wives, daughters and anyone else who could already be a victim or might become a victim one day, a change is needed.

I don't deny the legal system needs to be completely overhauled considering the number of convictions versus reported incidents is appalling. I don't deny that the system has historically been less than supportive to victims as detailed in a variety of reports/published series. But the fact IS that the system sucks and will not be fixed anytime soon. Therefore, it becomes incumbent on everyone to adjust accordingly.

I've never supported the belief that a woman who dresses or acts provocatively deserves to be assaulted. I too would love to live in a society where people treated others with respect and so people do feel safe to do certain things without fear of being accosted. But historically that's never been the case so instead of people deluding themselves, simply put, wake up and acknowledge that the world isn't safe and isn't 100% full of safe people who are going to treat people the way they should be treated.

Let me ask this - if you go to a poor neighbourhood and wear flashy clothes, jewelry, and flash large amounts of cash, if you get robbed, is it a surprise? Do you not bear some responsibility for the robbery by putting yourself into the situation? I can't say if you do or do not but you've definitely increased the chances of it happening by your conduct.

You can call it victim blaming if you like. I don't feel any person deserves to be assaulted and think the perp is 100% guilty for the crime taking place. But I think it's fair to say that people need to do (or not do) certain things or take certain steps to try and avoid potential outcomes. I take a taxi or Uber or public transit to an event if I'm drinking heavily so I don't have to deal with the possibility of driving under the influence and getting a DUI charge (or worse). If I check my coat I don't leave valuables in it. When I travel in crowded areas, my wallet is either zipped up of my hand is in my pocket on top of it. One might think it's a little paranoid but there are pickpockets around.

WRT to this thread, there is nothing that can be done by the lady. If the guy stealthed her that's on him and she really can't do anything to prevent that and I would never say otherwise.

 

[mandrill]

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2017001/article/54870-eng.htm

From From arrest to conviction: Court outcomes of police-reported sexual assaults in Canada, 2009 to 2014


http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2013001/article/11766-eng.pdf

From Measuring Violence Against Women: Statistical Trends



The number of sexual assaults reported to police in the stats can report was over 39,000. That represents only 10% of the actual number that took place, according to stats can data.

So by my bad math, of the approximate 350,000 reported and unreported sexual assaults that occurred in Canada during the study, a little over 1% of the perpetrators were convicted.

Glad I don’t have daughters...

All your stats sound appalling until your remember that "violent sexual assault" includes a random douchebag feeling a woman's butt in a crowded club and then slipping into the crowd unseen, or a male acquaintance forcing a kiss on an unwilling woman. Neither of the above wins anyone the Good Citizen award. But by the same token, neither is worth the woman's trouble - or probably the cops - to fully investigate, charge and prosecute.

 

[managee]

I don't deny the legal system needs to be completely overhauled considering the number of convictions versus reported incidents is appalling. I don't deny that the system has historically been less than supportive to victims as detailed in a variety of reports/published series. But the fact IS that the system sucks and will not be fixed anytime soon. Therefore, it becomes incumbent on everyone to adjust accordingly.

I've never supported the belief that a woman who dresses or acts provocatively deserves to be assaulted. I too would love to live in a society where people treated others with respect and so people do feel safe to do certain things without fear of being accosted. But historically that's never been the case so instead of people deluding themselves, simply put, wake up and acknowledge that the world isn't safe and isn't 100% full of safe people who are going to treat people the way they should be treated.

Let me ask this - if you go to a poor neighbourhood and wear flashy clothes, jewelry, and flash large amounts of cash, if you get robbed, is it a surprise? Do you not bear some responsibility for the robbery by putting yourself into the situation? I can't say if you do or do not but you've definitely increased the chances of it happening by your conduct.

You can call it victim blaming if you like. I don't feel any person deserves to be assaulted and think the perp is 100% guilty for the crime taking place. But I think it's fair to say that people need to do (or not do) certain things or take certain steps to try and avoid potential outcomes. I take a taxi or Uber or public transit to an event if I'm drinking heavily so I don't have to deal with the possibility of driving under the influence and getting a DUI charge (or worse). If I check my coat I don't leave valuables in it. When I travel in crowded areas, my wallet is either zipped up of my hand is in my pocket on top of it. One might think it's a little paranoid but there are pickpockets around.

WRT to this thread, there is nothing that can be done by the lady. If the guy stealthed her that's on him and she really can't do anything to prevent that and I would never say otherwise.

I imagine the publishing of the stealther’s personal information was an attempt to discourage (read: “prevent”) any others from doing it in the future. Very clear, and easily avoided consequences for an inexcusable act.

This was something that “could” be done by the lady/agency, and given the reaction here, it would seem to have achieved the desired impact.

Personally, with time/distance, if it was truly an act of stealthing (and not a condom slipping off), I can confidently change my original position (both actions are inexcusable) and stand with Cupid’s on this one.

If I’m looking for an agency that takes the sexual safety of its SP’s VERY seriously, Cupid’s clearly fits the bill. As a client, I appreciate the efforts and believe in the case of stealthing, all bets are off in-terms of what a client should expect as a response.

 

[managee]

All your stats sound appalling until your remember that "violent sexual assault" includes a random douchebag feeling a woman's butt in a crowded club and then slipping into the crowd unseen, or a male acquaintance forcing a kiss on an unwilling woman. Neither of the above wins anyone the Good Citizen award. But by the same token, neither is worth the woman's trouble - or probably the cops - to fully investigate, charge and prosecute.

Slight correction. “Violent sexual assaults” were listed as part of the stats, and occurred in a small minority of the 39,000 reported incidents. Based on what I read in those reports, violent sexual assaults are pretty self-explanatory in-terms of definition. Probably some violent sexual assaults go unreported, but there were no statistics for that.

The situations you described might better fall under plain-old sexual assault.

I’m not sure how many of the 39,000 or 350,000 would actually be “worth the woman’s trouble” and I think that speaks to the problem.

I volunteered for a sexual assault crisis team in the late-90s. Without exaggeration 9/10 women that came to us said some version of “I’m not doing this for me, I’m doing this because I don’t want him to do it to someone else.”

Therein is the problem in the examples you provide. IMO, as isolated one-time-only incidents, they are meh.

But what if they aren’t?

If there is a pattern of ass grabbing at a club by this guy, or a pattern of kissing women who don’t want to be kissed, when does frequency warrant legal intervention?

If we don’t act, we being victim / police / society, are we not just enabling the behaviour of these creeps?

Not knowing who his next victim might be, or how many others he has victimized should compel at-least a report and investigation.

If it’s truly a one-time thing, the organization I work for wouldn’t dream of firing either of them. I imagine the police wouldn’t dream of laying charges.

But what happens when the next report crosses the desk? That’s when I’m glad the first victim who reported the behaviour found it worth the “trouble.”

 

[rhuarc29]

So that is pretty much the end of an open discussion between us.

Your call. I am curious about your perception of a justice system, if it differs from a legal system.

 

[sempel]

I imagine the publishing of the stealther’s personal information was an attempt to discourage (read: “prevent”) any others from doing it in the future. Very clear, and easily avoided consequences for an inexcusable act.

This was something that “could” be done by the lady/agency, and given the reaction here, it would seem to have achieved the desired impact.

Personally, with time/distance, if it was truly an act of stealthing (and not a condom slipping off), I can confidently change my original position (both actions are inexcusable) and stand with Cupid’s on this one.

If I’m looking for an agency that takes the sexual safety of its SP’s VERY seriously, Cupid’s clearly fits the bill. As a client, I appreciate the efforts and believe in the case of stealthing, all bets are off in-terms of what a client should expect as a response.

Given that the stealther can more or less try the same shit in the future (change phone, use a different/fake name, etc.), all this does is act as a general deterrent because I'm sure some guys might get in a little hot water if their info was publicized. To me, the only question is how anybody will ever know if a proper investigation was conducted or the SP was taken at her word? I don't feel sorry for anybody who gets outed because some investigation/evidence proves them guilty. I think everyone just gets a little antsy if there's the possibility of a client being outed solely based on an accusation that could easily be false/incorrect.