You may not know if I have but I know you have.
And yes - I will certainly see my side as a win. As I have said, please, by all means - you enjoy your agencies.
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And yes - I will certainly see my side as a win. As I have said, please, by all means - you enjoy your agencies.
So, an AGENCY revealed a guy's number, right? Not an indie, and agency. I've read somewhere above that your thought process is to CONTINUE with agencies (obviously not using Cupids) and your logic is it is still safer to use agencies than Indies - based on what? Hope and the position of the sun and stars at a particular hour? There's no logic.It does matter! Maybe you're willing to take that chance, I'm not. The next time it maybe a miscommunication or accident and the agency owner decides another outing is necessary. I do not look for bbfs as I value my health but I have been offered and have refused so yes a miscommunication can easily happen.
I'm not saying that a misunderstanding cannot occur. I'm sure it'll happen once in a while to the best of us. But here's the difference - I don't give out personal details so the worst thing that will happen is I'll get a ban from a particular agency for conduct unbecoming (it'll be false since I don't go in thinking about ways to hurt/abuse women or stealth them). But either way, I'm protected on my end. Most guys are that do incalls. So it's not the biggest deal for the good guys. Face it, some of this is fear-mongering, and some of it is perhaps a few boundary pushers who probably fear they are going to get outed.
I don't condone what Cupids did - I originally did because it was a knee jerk reaction that an asshole got what he deserved. Upon further reflection, I have changed my stance (for those who think this isn't allowed, please look up the definition of debate and how one works). What was done served little purpose in the long run and sets a dangerous precedent in case there is a misunderstanding. I don't think a guy who is an asshole and does things that would be considered assault has a legit complaint about a privacy breach if that's all he incurs - he should be jailed.
As far as I know I've never had to give my real name to any agency have you? I've never accepted any screening that involves giving my real name and yes I have seen indies albeit not as many because I will not tolerate giving info I'm not comfortable with, do you?So, an AGENCY revealed a guy's number, right? Not an indie, and agency. I've read somewhere above that your thought process is to CONTINUE with agencies (obviously not using Cupids) and your logic is it is still safer to use agencies than Indies - based on what? Hope and the position of the sun and stars at a particular hour? There's no logic.
If you read the second paragraph, I've already answered your questions. The problem with OUTCALLS is you have to give some info and some of it is traceable. I have never gone to an upscale hotel and tried booking it under a different name so I don't know if that's possible as they usually want a CC. So, if you are at a hotel, you have to tell the agency the name the room is booked under which is usually real. If you ask her to come to your home/condo, it's possible to find out who lives there (unless you are borrowing someone else's). So in the cases of outcall, some real info is made available. So, as I've stated, by sticking to incall, no personal info is required. I'm fine with ladies/agencies knowing my Terb handle - I've got nothing to hide (although some don't have the highest opinion of me but who gives a crap). As far as I'm concerned, that's all that's needed. I've seen MPA's 10+ times, no personal info exchanged, no problems whatsoever. Obviously it's a little different with SP's but some don't screen and I'm sure they've had few issues but no more than some of the super-screeners.As far as I know I've never had to give my real name to any agency have you? I've never accepted any screening that involves giving my real name and yes I have seen indies albeit not as many because I will not tolerate giving info I'm not comfortable with, do you?
You do not have to give your real name or any info you feel uncomfortable to anyone period. Having said that Time to time I enjoy the company of a mature/full figured woman, most agencies do not have them on their roaster so I take the indy route. If you stick only with agencies you will definitely have a great time and fun but an agency is no way more discreet than an independent SP.(personally I have found both to be discreet) and not one over the other.As far as I know I've never had to give my real name to any agency have you? I've never accepted any screening that involves giving my real name and yes I have seen indies albeit not as many because I will not tolerate giving info I'm not comfortable with, do you?
Earlier on in this thread it was suggested that as an intermediate solution SP's or agencies could use their lawyer to contact the client and then their lawyer, and then to settle out of court.So far, it's an almost perfect gender gap. Guys fault Cupids for doing what they did and say they fear "outing" will become vigilante justice and widespread. Women are concerned with being victimized by badly behaved, creepy clients and think Cupids outing the stealther was a step towards making bad clients more accountable.
Maybe what we need is a "Code" which makes everybody sort of happy - i.e. an understanding that outing only occurs for certain sorts of behaviour - i.e. a girl cannot simply out a guy she's annoyed at because he posted a bad review or some other triviality - and the information is only made available on a private board to other agencies and ladies. That would allay male fears of having our cell #'s and names splashed all over Twitter because we couldn't make an appointment and the girl was pissed or something like that. But it would also protect the women and give them access to current info about bad clients.
That's contingent on the agency confirming the id of the client, of course. In this case a code might be handy, as in 'I'm representing terb member x, please contact us immediately'.
That would give an intermediate step for response, and then outing could be used only if no response.
I'm sure you'd probably come up with a clearer and better way of framing this, oagre, but it might be the way to go.
Communication before taking action is key.Earlier on in this thread it was suggested that as an intermediate solution SP's or agencies could use their lawyer to contact the client and then their lawyer, and then to settle out of court.
That's contingent on the agency confirming the id of the client, of course. In this case a code might be handy, as in 'I'm representing terb member x, please contact us immediately'.
That would give an intermediate step for response, and then outing could be used only if no response.
I'm sure you'd probably come up with a clearer and better way of framing this, oagre, but it might be the way to go.
You are 100% correct. The offending person, in this case the "stealther", should have communicated what he was going to do before taking action. Everything is on him, no one else.Communication before taking action is key.
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Two separate bad actions do not make a positive in any way. He may be the original problem but Cupid's made it worse. Being a victim does not give you a free ticket to do wrong things.You are 100% correct. The offending person, in this case the "stealther", should have communicated what he was going to do before taking action. Everything is on him, no one else.
Don't really care what Cupid's did in this case. My post was only referring to the one I quoted. Communication is key. He didn't communicate what he was going to do which was obviously very wrong and even criminal. Cuspids handled it their way and if it hurts their business they only have themselves to blame. Or I guess they could have waited for another appt and have guys waiting for him to hang him upside down over a balcony. With every bad action in this business, the reaction is somewhat tame. Maybe this will change things.Two separate bad actions do not make a positive in any way. He may be the original problem but Cupid's made it worse. Being a victim does not give you a free ticket to do wrong things.
So everyone thinks the guy did as the agency claims he did. What if the whole thing was made up and the SP was lying? If the guy is a regular ,he would have definitely known this kind of behavior would get him kicked out. Again not blaming the SP here but the agency overreacted without investigating further.Did they even ask him if it was true? Before splashing his info all over.
Its still a good start that they took the tweet down.How about the 174 retweets?
And I just glanced at the Cupids page for like 5 seconds and saw references to the incident and tweets about it.
Obviously it was very poor judgement that they put the tweet up in the first place. I have no problem with an agency going to bat for their girls, but that being so, there are two sides to every story. This could have been better handled simply by privately blacklisting this person (and not doing business with him anymore) instead of trying to publicly out him.
I am not saying I won't engage Cupids anymore, however, this incident certainly gives me pause.
This whole thread disgusts me beyond words. Why are review board members defending a client who sexually assaulted a poor young women? If it was reported to the police and a medical examination was performed, it’s not hard to prove.
Guys like him are the reason why so many providers are switching to legal name screening. This has to be one of most disgusting threads I’ve seen on a review board in years.
Where’s the sympathy for the victim? Where’s the common sense and human decency that should prevail when someone has been victimized?
Guys like him are the reason why so many providers are switching to legal name screening. This has to be one of most disgusting threads I’ve seen on a review board in years.
Where’s the sympathy for the victim? Where’s the common sense and human decency that should prevail when someone has been victimized?
Where? Out the window.This whole thread disgusts me beyond words. Why are review board members defending a client who sexually assaulted a poor young women? If it was reported to the police and a medical examination was performed, it’s not hard to prove.
Guys like him are the reason why so many providers are switching to legal name screening. This has to be one of most disgusting threads I’ve seen on a review board in years.
Where’s the sympathy for the victim? Where’s the common sense and human decency that should prevail when someone has been victimized?
Society seems to believe it is better to have 100 women raped then 1 man be falsely accused.
This is a good article about it, just posted today.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/before-metoo-victims-lost-everything/article37849069/
1 conviction in the 8 years that she worked for the Rape Crisis Service. To quite a few of the men here, all those other hundreds of women that she cared for..... meh' didn't happen, no criminal charges, he said/she said, and the big one that some will come out with... how many of those women lied to get attention.Nicole Pietsch is a co-ordinator of the Ontario Coalition of Rape Crisis Centres
A cursory look at your social-media news feed in the past several weeks may seem to suggest the growing list of celebrities and other high-profile men being taken down by the #MeToo movement.
Last week alone, Ontario PC leader Patrick Brown and federal Liberal Minister Kent Hehr both who resigned after allegations of inappropriate conduct towards women in the workplace.
This movement identifying problematic men within our ranks has been labelled as "travelling at breakneck speed": fast and – literally and metaphorically – furious. The movement's inevitable backlash seems to imagine what's happening as an uninterrogated crusade, a runaway train that cow-catches every man placed before its path: he lost everything in a moment; he was convicted by the court of public opinion; and (of course) but what if the allegations aren't true?
I've been working with sexual-violence survivors since 1998. You need to know that there is nothing breakneck-fast, runaway or uninterrogated about #MeToo or its intentions. Neither is there anything fast, runaway or uninterrogated about the allegations against Mr. Brown or Mr. Hehr. Mr. Brown's incidents took place a decade ago. Allegations about Mr. Hehr reference conduct during his time in the Alberta legislature.
In both cases, neither men were held to account in any way, and for many years. Given the workplace and broader social climate, these women's experiences could only be managed through what Vancouver writer A.H. Reaume calls "a whisper network": these women "imagined their careers and reputations ruined. They stayed quiet."
Women who are sexually harassed know all about the real uninterrogated struggle that awaits, should they dare to name names. The erroneous belief that false allegations of sexual violence are commonplace lurks in the face of any sexual-violence allegation. This mythical belief isn't based on criminal-justice data. Instead, it's based on sexist stereotypes about women, which posit that innocent men are commonly accused of sexual assault and women lie about it to get revenge or for their own benefit. Not surprisingly, some of the Brown and Hehr defenders have piled on exactly here, regurgitating these very notions (Conservative MP Alex Nuttall, for example, called the downfall of Mr. Brown an "inside job," insinuating the women's allegations came to light for ulterior political purposes).
Individual cases such as Jian Ghomeshi or Harvey Weinstein – and systemic ones, such as high rates of sexual assaults categorized by police as unfounded – point to the same pattern: Labelling women who disclose sexual violence "as delusional, vengeful, exploitive, or an attention-seeker" has been the going strategy to diffuse allegations – and relieve questionable men – since time immemorial.
If the #MeToo resistance imagines it's invented the party lines of false allegations and lying women, it's wrong. In fact, it's old hat. False allegations of sexual assault are not a common problem. What is a common social problem is that victims are not believed when they disclose their stories, and offenders go unaccountable. Less than 10 per cent of all sexual assaults are reported, and a minority see convictions. In the eight years that I worked as a counsellor in a sexual-assault centre, I personally saw one conviction out of all the women I accompanied to court.
One.
In eight years.
If our resistance to #Me Too is motivated by a mourning over all that could be lost to men who happen to take a so-called sexual misstep, what about the rest of them, the women? In the midst of Mr. Brown and Mr. Hehr's actions, what opportunities, jobs, dreams were put aside by the women who may have been targeted?
Sexual violence can be best understood in terms of loss. A Justice Canada study found that in one year, sexual violence cost Canadians $4.8-billion: crimes in which the victims, most who are women, "bear the greatest burden of the [financial] impacts, much of it intangible."
"He lost everything in a moment; he was convicted in the court of public opinion; but what if the allegations aren't true?"
Victims of sexual violence are well-versed in this refrain, too: They are well aware of what is on the line should they speak out – including the rhetoric that will be used against them if they choose to do so.
Yes, #MeToo has taken down a lot of powerful men, and we sit with that discomfort. Equally important is the other uncomfortable question: Who was it that got taken down before #MeToo?
Yup... pathetic seems to fit nicely in here.
Cupids I am sure basically just blacklisted themselves with a whole bunch of clients
That is the only reason they removed the tweet
This is also why I said people are stupid to ever go through a screening process while engaging in an illegal act
When was the last time you ever gave out so much personal info to commit any other offences?
But yeah just stay away from groups like Cupids
Who knows what else they do with your info
That is the only reason they removed the tweet
This is also why I said people are stupid to ever go through a screening process while engaging in an illegal act
When was the last time you ever gave out so much personal info to commit any other offences?
But yeah just stay away from groups like Cupids
Who knows what else they do with your info
Anyone defending the guy's alleged actions is indeed disgusting. But I haven't actually seen that. Mostly the response in this thread has been a reaction to Cupid's stupid decision to out the guy's personal info. And the rest has been about the fact the guy hasn't been proven guilty of anything. If proof exists, this should have immediately gone to the police. Instead, Jillian engaged in some vigilante justice.This whole thread disgusts me beyond words. Why are review board members defending a client who sexually assaulted a poor young women? If it was reported to the police and a medical examination was performed, it’s not hard to prove.
Guys like him are the reason why so many providers are switching to legal name screening. This has to be one of most disgusting threads I’ve seen on a review board in years.
Where’s the sympathy for the victim? Where’s the common sense and human decency that should prevail when someone has been victimized?
How would you feel rotting in prison for 15 years for a crime you didn't commit just so society could feel a little safer?Society seems to believe it is better to have 100 women raped then 1 man be falsely accused.
How would you feel if your mother, sister or daughter was raped and the man who did it got away with it?How would you feel rotting in prison for 15 years for a crime you didn't commit just so society could feel a little safer?
Better yet, why don't you pull up stats for how many innocent men are behind bars and how many women are raped without any type of justice. Then compare and tell me which side you fall on.
Do you think that it is ok for 100 women to raped with no justice so long as 1 man does not sit in jail? Seriously, please answer that. Are you cool with that?
I made the point about reporting the crime to the police. I’m very disappointed no one has made any effort to discuss what happened to the lady who was victimized. Most of the posts have prattled-on endlessly about how clients can be victimized by sharing personal info.Anyone defending the guy's alleged actions is indeed disgusting. But I haven't actually seen that. Mostly the response in this thread has been a reaction to Cupid's stupid decision to out the guy's personal info. And the rest has been about the fact the guy hasn't been proven guilty of anything. If proof exists, this should have immediately gone to the police. Instead, Jillian engaged in some vigilante justice.
How would you feel rotting in prison for 15 years for a crime you didn't commit just so society could feel a little safer?
Once it’s reported to the police and the police have investigated, they have the right to post a public warning to protect other SW’s. Every second that passes offers another opportunity for this guy to harm another SW. It’s not revenge, it’s about sharing information to prevent another SW from being victimized.
The police should always be notified ASAP so any evidence can be collected so he can be arrested and prosecuted.
The review board members have spent 17 pages talking about how clients are being victimized. I felt there should finally be a page about the victim of this crime. I felt there should finally be a page about the young women who’s life has been changed forever by a bad client.
In all fairness to some of the commenters, police were not involved. The lady decline to involve them. As stated by Cupid's in tweet when asked. Cant say I blame the girl, cops would just make it an "unfounded" report and move on. They don't do shit for victims of crimes. Look at the Apotex murders. The family had to hire outside of the force to get something done.I made the point about reporting the crime to the police. I’m very disappointed no one has made any effort to discuss what happened to the lady who was victimized. Most of the posts have prattled-on endlessly about how clients can be victimized by sharing personal info.
Once it’s reported to the police and the police have investigated, they have the right to post a public warning to protect other SW’s.
The police should always be notified ASAP so any evidence can be collected so he can be arrested and prosecuted.
I personally don't believe that a criminal conviction is needed to call someone who rapes a woman a rapist but others disagree with me on that.
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