Gas-Powered Cars Will Vanish in 8 Years, Big Oil Will Collapse: Stanford Study
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Many states in the US are now slapping yearly fees on owners of electric cars to help pay for the infrastructure required for all the charging stations and for the reduced amount of money the state governments are getting in gasoline tax. Same will happen here eventually, how will the government get by without the billions of dollars in gasoline taxes they will lose if everyone goes electric?
So at 346 kms on a charge (and that's best case scenario), for a trip from Toronto to Montreal, you'd have to leave fully charged, charge half way there, then charge again once you arrive. How convenient for a $35-40K car!
And how does one charge an electric vehicle if you only have street parking?
Anyone who things oil will collapse or their will be big demand has taken into account things like.......
RV's.
Now this covers a variety of Vehicles from trailers, campers, full Mini houses, etc. But they all need to have range. Especially because in many cases there won't be any charging at the destination. Maybe in the big parks but any state/provincial parks won't. Nor any boondockers. And the simple range could be 1000 km needed. Even to haul. And the power and torque to haul it.
Now add in 4 wheelers, Snowmobiles, jet Skis, Boats of various types(even sail boats have engines). Solar is now in common use on them for the little things but they can't run an air conditioner so an actual engine? Nope.
Commercial.
Start will small delivery vans(flowers, food, catering, small business product, repairs, sales). None of them are coming off the road any time soon either. They travel a crapload in city traffic in all weather(remember those ranges are optimal) sometimes over two shift. And hauling thousands of pounds as well.
Big rigs.
Think they are coming off the road? Nope. For all the reasons above. And plus sized. Time is money they can't wait to charge what would be needed for a fully loaded 18 wheeler.
Construction Equipment.
Think again if you think a dump truck, bulldozer or scoop can rum on electricity for the extended periods of a full days work.
Ships
As with boats no way ships, be they Navy or shipping can run on anything but fuel(unless you want to make them all nuclear!) not for high seas voyages for weeks at a time.
The third world.
The hunger to raise themselves up is continuing. In Asia and Africa and South America. You think they will put in electric car tech in Peru or Chili? That's work well in the mountains. Or in the deserts? How about even the North here? Jungles?
I haven't even covered near it all I'm sure.
This will be nice for couples making $150,000+ in combined income for a second car for city commutes where they can install a charging station in the garage.
But renters? Condo owners? No garage? Nope.
Think people think.
All good points relating to how electric motors won't replace the internal combustion engine any time soon.
As for crude oil becoming obsolete or going to $0 a barrel as you say. You're forgetting about the other 6,000 things currently made from crude.
Like saccharine, (artificial sweetener), roofing paper, aspirin, hair coloring, heart valves, crayons, parachutes, telephones, bras, transparent tape, antiseptics, purses, deodorant, panty hose, air conditioners, shower curtains, shoes, condoms, volleyballs, electrician’s tape, floor wax, lipstick, sweaters, running shoes, bubble gum, car bodies, tires, house paint, hair dryers, guitar strings, pens, ammonia, eyeglasses, contacts, life jackets, insect repellent, fertilizers, movie film, ice chests, loudspeakers, basketballs, footballs, combs, brushes, linoleum, fishing rods, rubber boots, water pipes, vitamin capsules, motorcycle helmets, fishing lures, petroleum jelly, lib balm, antihistamines, golf balls, dice, insulation, glycerin, typewriter, computer, ribbons, trash bags, rubber cement, cold cream, umbrellas, ink of all types, wax paper, paint brushes, hearing aids, compact discs, mops, bandages, artificial turf, cameras, glue, sex toys, shoe polish, caulking, tape recorders, stereos, plywood, adhesives, TV cabinets, toilet seats, car batteries, candies, refrigerator seals, carpeting, cortisone, vaporizers, solvents, water/pop bottles, nail polish, denture, balloons, boats, dresses, shirts (non-cotton), perfumes, toothpaste, roller-blade/skateboard wheels, plastic knives/spoons/forks, tennis rackets, hair curlers, plastic cups, electric blankets, oil filters, ping pong paddles, dishwashing liquid, water skies, upholstery, thermos bottles, plastic chairs, transparencies, plastic wrap, rubber bands, computers, gasoline, diesel fuels, kerosene, heating oil, asphalt, motor oil, jet fuel, marine diesel, butane and the list goes on...
That's the problem with righties. Stuck in the past and no vision and foresight to the future. It WILL happen. The question is when, not if. Non renewable resources will never be absolute. But the only way for this to be understood by the masses is for the old, rich CEO's stuck in the 50's to die. Then the younger generations can get to the business of progress.
Subsidizing electric vehicles inefficient way to reduce CO2 emissions: study
June 22, 2017
Subsidizing the purchase of electric cars in Canada is an inefficient way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions that is not cost effective, according to a Montreal Economic Institute study released Thursday.
"It's just a waste," said Germain Belzile, one of the authors of the study, which examined electric vehicle subsidies offered by Canada's two biggest provinces Ontario and Quebec, which can rise to as much as a third of a vehicle's purchase price, depending on the model.
"Not only do these programs cost taxpayers a fortune, but they also have little effect on GHG emissions," he said.
The government of Quebec has set a goal of having one million electric and hybrid vehicles on its roads by 2030, up from 6,000 currently. Ontario has the same objective.
On this basis, said Belzile, carbon emissions would fall by about 3.6 percent in Quebec and 2.4 percent in Ontario.
The two provinces have said they aim to reduce CO2 emissions by about 37 percent by 2030, from 1990 levels.
Quebec is offering rebates of up to Can$8,000 for the purchase of new electric or rechargeable hybrid cars—which are significantly more expensive than their gas-guzzling counterparts—while Ontario is offering to refund Can$14,000 of the purchase price.
The study estimates that these subsidies cost taxpayers Can$523 per tonne of GHG not emitted in Ontario and Can$288 in Quebec.
By comparison, a cap and trade system for big polluters in Quebec and the US state of California, which Ontario is due to join soon, costs a mere Can$18 per tonne.
In subsidizing electric vehicle purchases, Ontario and Quebec end up spending up to 29 times and 16 times, respectively, the carbon market price for each tonne of GHGs eliminated.
"Common sense, both economically and ecologically speaking, argues in favor of reducing these subsidies, and even eliminating them," the study concludes.
https://phys.org/news/2017-06-reveals-green-incentives-co2-emissions.html
June 22, 2017
Subsidizing the purchase of electric cars in Canada is an inefficient way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions that is not cost effective, according to a Montreal Economic Institute study released Thursday.
"It's just a waste," said Germain Belzile, one of the authors of the study, which examined electric vehicle subsidies offered by Canada's two biggest provinces Ontario and Quebec, which can rise to as much as a third of a vehicle's purchase price, depending on the model.
"Not only do these programs cost taxpayers a fortune, but they also have little effect on GHG emissions," he said.
The government of Quebec has set a goal of having one million electric and hybrid vehicles on its roads by 2030, up from 6,000 currently. Ontario has the same objective.
On this basis, said Belzile, carbon emissions would fall by about 3.6 percent in Quebec and 2.4 percent in Ontario.
The two provinces have said they aim to reduce CO2 emissions by about 37 percent by 2030, from 1990 levels.
Quebec is offering rebates of up to Can$8,000 for the purchase of new electric or rechargeable hybrid cars—which are significantly more expensive than their gas-guzzling counterparts—while Ontario is offering to refund Can$14,000 of the purchase price.
The study estimates that these subsidies cost taxpayers Can$523 per tonne of GHG not emitted in Ontario and Can$288 in Quebec.
By comparison, a cap and trade system for big polluters in Quebec and the US state of California, which Ontario is due to join soon, costs a mere Can$18 per tonne.
In subsidizing electric vehicle purchases, Ontario and Quebec end up spending up to 29 times and 16 times, respectively, the carbon market price for each tonne of GHGs eliminated.
"Common sense, both economically and ecologically speaking, argues in favor of reducing these subsidies, and even eliminating them," the study concludes.
https://phys.org/news/2017-06-reveals-green-incentives-co2-emissions.html
Think about this before you buy a fully electric vehicle. Although being able to charge your car at home will help, provided you have a driveway and aren't limited to street parking. Take this example of charging times for a Tesla, at a supercharging station. Now compare that to filling up at a gas station. Considering how long it takes to charge EVs, can you imagine the lineups? Sorry, but I'm not hanging around for 75 minutes on the 401 to charge my car.
Tesla supercharging stations charge with up to 145 kW of power distributed between two adjacent cars, with a maximum of 120 kW per car. That is up to 16 times as fast as public charging stations; they take about 20 minutes to charge to 50%, 40 minutes to charge to 80%, and 75 minutes to 100%.
Tesla supercharging stations charge with up to 145 kW of power distributed between two adjacent cars, with a maximum of 120 kW per car. That is up to 16 times as fast as public charging stations; they take about 20 minutes to charge to 50%, 40 minutes to charge to 80%, and 75 minutes to 100%.
My next vehicle purchase will be an electric vehicle...I wouldn't have thunk it even 3 yrs. ago but the times are rapidly changing.
You may want to wait for the new higher electric rates that come in a few years first. I see if it's going to be worth it. Also add in the charging station to the cost. And wait and see cold weather performance and not these optimal racetrack in dry heat condition numbers.
I have a friend who charges his electric at work for free. He can get from work to home and back on the charge he can get by plugging in to a regular 120v outlet for eight hours so effectively his commute is paid for by his work.
He has an Audi etron so he can drive with gas if he needs to but he uses no gas at all Monday to Friday for his regular commute, which is about 20km each way.
bullshit, look at the actual stats, there are barely over 32,000 registered in Canada, that's a total
virtually all of them in Ont, Que and BC, where they are subsidized
there are around 190-200,000 a month of normal vehicles sold in Canada according to stats Can
He is lucky his work allows this. As more of them come into the market how long do you think this will last? And how many plugs will be available and does your work have a handy plug?
If all you are doing is a 20k commute then it probably works. But you won't be taking it to the lake anytime soon.
I think most businesses will adapt and have charging stations as ways to entice and keep employees.
Even so, you're kidding yourself if you think EVs will save you money in the long run. My car costs me a maximum $10 (CAD funds) per 100 kms city and even less on the highway. Using your buddy's travel distances as an example, 40 kms per day, would cost me $20 a week or $1,040 in fuel a year based on 52 weeks. That's not a huge savings when you factor in how much extra you pay for an electric vehicle, even after rebates. Besides, I wonder what percentage of the population has the luxury or even the ability to charge their cars for free at work?
You also have to take depreciation into account. Out of warranty EVs that will need to have their weak batteries replaced won't have a high resale value. Not to mention the market is slim to begin with (see how many EVs are sold in Canada annually) as charging a car is super inconvenient for many.
Any automotive expert will tell you, until the price of EVs comes way down or the price of fuel doubles, neither which is likely to happen in the next few years, they're still a toy for the wealthy. I could easily afford an EV, but I'd never buy one because it's not practical for me.
Maybe some nice Silicon Valley businesses. But do you think this? Most employees don't get Free parking unless it's outdoor and in the suburbs. So do you think all those private and public parking areas in the core are going to but in charging stations, the electrical infrastructure to service them, the liability insurance(yes that will be needed) and pay for the hydro?
Most people out there aren't getting raises. And you think they will spend on this?
Seriously you are living in a bubble if you think that is a viable option.
Go ahead. Ask every service employees you know. Every lower level worker(you know, the Majority of the population), every small business owner, every parking lot owner, every factory owner, every highrise property manager.......
Ask them if they will spend the 6,000 per for base installation(look it up) in a parking garage. Let alone outdoor usage.
And then eat the cost of charging for life.
