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Gas-Powered Cars Will Vanish in 8 Years, Big Oil Will Collapse: Stanford Study

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These are probably the same folks that predicted in 1973 that population would outstrip food supply by 1990 and that there would be mass starvation.
 

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These are probably the same folks that predicted in 1973 that population would outstrip food supply by 1990 and that there would be mass starvation.
Yep,...self proclaimed "experts".
 

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LoL liberal-leftie nutcase. Go smoke some weed. Oil will be here for next 100 year, because it is the most cost efficient cheapest energy source! My prediction within the next 5 year Tesla will go bankrupt and Elon Musk will resign in disgrace. And Elon Musk will become bankrupt and be homeless and then vanished within the next 8 year!
 

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What's the impact to the environment from all the old batteries that would have to be discarded from these electric cars?
The other one,...is this BS to stop the engine if not moving for X time,...and then has to restart.

Have any of these "experts" though of how that effects the life cycle of a LEAD ACID battery.
 

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This statement is laughable. There's so much infrastructure that needs to be put in place before the majority of vehicle are fully electric. Here's one problem I see. How are people who're limited to street parking (which in some areas can change from one side of the street to the other every two weeks) supposed to charge their cars at night? Yeah, like you're going to run a 50' extension cord across the street. What if the only spot you can find is a block away?

Take a Tesla for example. It takes 12 hours for a 60 km charge at 120 V, and you won't even get close to that range in the winter. We're still a long, long way off.
I saw a picture of an electric car parked on the street in China. The owner ran an extension cord from his apartment on the 7th floor through the air down to his car.
 

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I've been saying this since I went from Commodore 64 to Amiga 128. Not a really revolutionary prediction. However, unless there's a breakthrough in the battery research, we'll be waiting a bit longer. Of course, I think that fuel cell/hydrogen technology is the way of the future.
I skipped the 64 and went from my VIC-20 straight to the Amiga. It's an over-reach to say anything humans do will disappear. There are still people fooling around with, and driving steam-powered cars. And searching for used cars that don't have distracting back-up cameras and touchscreen infotainment modules. Or ordering stick-shifts from the factory if that's the only way to get them.

As the Tesla Crash proved, introducing self-drive to the real world where Stupid Human Tricks are the general rule is bound to be a lot tougher and take a lot longer than the dreamers imagine. Will smartphones for pedestrians be banned? Will the self-drive manufacturers be required to buy back the primitive U-drives? Still, the idea has merit:



Oh, BTW Googling Amiga turns up a one-day old review of a brand-new model on ArsTechnica. No longer connected to long-gone Commodore that Jack Tramiel started in Toronto, but still an Amiga.
 

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Whether cars are powered by electricity or by gasoline, you need something that provides you with power.

The electrical grid and the generating plants simply do not have the capacity to supply all the vehicles out there right now with electrical power. Hell, right now, it gets overloaded in the city of Toronto every summer when people turn their AC on. How are you going to provide enough juice to charge cars?

We would need a massive construction program to build the necesary infrastructure right from massive new generating plants to the transmission wires to the substations to the distribution nodes to the primary and secondary systems in the neighbourhoods to the wires coming into your house.

Newfoundland is currently building a new hydro electric dam and generating plant (Muskrat falls) and it is bankrupting the province. That's one plant.

Which begs the question, ok, what type of generating plants are you going to build?

1. Hydro = Hugely expensive with large environmental impacts and most of the best sites in North America have already been built.

2. Nuclear = YIKES, the potential for catastrophic failures is very real. Witness Fukushima and Chernobyl. Then there's the waste which remains hot for 100,000 years.

3. Natural Gas = emissions just as bad as gasoline.

4. Coal = dirty, pollution, emissions.

5. Alternative = Sun, wind, tide, etc. = Make me laugh.

Then there will be the cost of all this. Who's going to pay for all of that? (I already know the answer.)

I won't even get into the cost of building transmission lines and the "not in my backyard" issues that that would face.
 

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This is what happens when the self proclaimed "experts" don't have a clue what goes on past the wall socket they plug their cell phone to recharge.
 

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This is what happens when the self proclaimed "experts" don't have a clue what goes on past the wall socket they plug their cell phone to recharge.
And the anti-media spreads it around as if it was as factual as …, oh I dunno, a wall from the Pacific to the Atlantic.
 

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God I hope I don't ever get OLD.
 

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You do realize that the alternative is somewhat un-desirable.
Not from what I see posted here,...seems to turn peoples minds into mush.
 

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This statement is laughable. There's so much infrastructure that needs to be put in place before the majority of vehicle are fully electric. Here's one problem I see. How are people who're limited to street parking (which in some areas can change from one side of the street to the other every two weeks) supposed to charge their cars at night? Yeah, like you're going to run a 50' extension cord across the street. What if the only spot you can find is a block away?

Take a Tesla for example. It takes 12 hours for a 60 km charge at 120 V, and you won't even get close to that range in the winter. We're still a long, long way off.

If you installed a 60 A 240 V charger you would get there much faster. That would be 14KW per hour.
 

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Whether cars are powered by electricity or by gasoline, you need something that provides you with power.

The electrical grid and the generating plants simply do not have the capacity to supply all the vehicles out there right now with electrical power. Hell, right now, it gets overloaded in the city of Toronto every summer when people turn their AC on. How are you going to provide enough juice to charge cars?

We would need a massive construction program to build the necesary infrastructure right from massive new generating plants to the transmission wires to the substations to the distribution nodes to the primary and secondary systems in the neighbourhoods to the wires coming into your house.

Newfoundland is currently building a new hydro electric dam and generating plant (Muskrat falls) and it is bankrupting the province. That's one plant.

Which begs the question, ok, what type of generating plants are you going to build?

1. Hydro = Hugely expensive with large environmental impacts and most of the best sites in North America have already been built.

2. Nuclear = YIKES, the potential for catastrophic failures is very real. Witness Fukushima and Chernobyl. Then there's the waste which remains hot for 100,000 years.

3. Natural Gas = emissions just as bad as gasoline.

4. Coal = dirty, pollution, emissions.

5. Alternative = Sun, wind, tide, etc. = Make me laugh.

Then there will be the cost of all this. Who's going to pay for all of that? (I already know the answer.)

I won't even get into the cost of building transmission lines and the "not in my backyard" issues that that would face.
Actually the grid is practically at idle at night. So it can take a TON more load during the evening then it takes now.
 

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If you installed a 60 A 240 V charger you would get there much faster. That would be 14KW per hour.
Assuming the battery could charge at that rate,...there is a limit.
 

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I skipped the 64 and went from my VIC-20 straight to the Amiga. It's an over-reach to say anything humans do will disappear. There are still people fooling around with, and driving steam-powered cars. And searching for used cars that don't have distracting back-up cameras and touchscreen infotainment modules. Or ordering stick-shifts from the factory if that's the only way to get them.

As the Tesla Crash proved, introducing self-drive to the real world where Stupid Human Tricks are the general rule is bound to be a lot tougher and take a lot longer than the dreamers imagine. Will smartphones for pedestrians be banned? Will the self-drive manufacturers be required to buy back the primitive U-drives? Still, the idea has merit:



Oh, BTW Googling Amiga turns up a one-day old review of a brand-new model on ArsTechnica. No longer connected to long-gone Commodore that Jack Tramiel started in Toronto, but still an Amiga.
Oh, I don't agree with everything in the article. The timeline is one, but, generally speaking, human driven vehicles will be a thing of the past sooner rather than later. Same goes for the oil powered propulsion. Right now, we're just taking half steps because the technology for self driving and propulsion are still unavailable.
 

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The author of the article is a moron. While I can see more automobiles going to battery power, there is no way big oil is going to collapse in 8 years. First there is no way Large trucks, trains and airplanes are going to electric in 8 years. Second this idiot must not realize that oil is in almost everyone of the products that we consume, most notably the millions of kilometers of roads that are paved in oil based products.
 
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